Comments on: MSNBC Newsbot Looms http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:40:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John C. Dvorak http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-273 John C. Dvorak Mon, 02 Aug 2004 06:44:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-273 YES! I have to make it more known that this is moderated. But meanwhile I'm a little concerned about the megalinks that float past the barriers...I'll be working on the design this week. YES! I have to make it more known that this is moderated. But meanwhile I’m a little concerned about the megalinks that float past the barriers…I’ll be working on the design this week.

]]> By: Christopher Coulter http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Christopher Coulter Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:50:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-272 Look like a scam to users? You mean the less than 3% of population, the geeky bloggers, who care about such hand-wringing purist matters? It's their news search engine, they can slant, or not slant it, anyway they want. And insofar as the news links are relevant, most people don't care about the ordering. It is only when placements interefere with the revelancy of the searches, that the system breaks down. Obviously, a news search engine that is part of a Media Empire will stack the deck in their favor. Ultimately, it all depends on the marketshare. Look like a scam to users? You mean the less than 3% of population, the geeky bloggers, who care about such hand-wringing purist matters? It’s their news search engine, they can slant, or not slant it, anyway they want. And insofar as the news links are relevant, most people don’t care about the ordering. It is only when placements interefere with the revelancy of the searches, that the system breaks down. Obviously, a news search engine that is part of a Media Empire will stack the deck in their favor. Ultimately, it all depends on the marketshare.

]]> By: Ed Campbell http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Ed Campbell Mon, 02 Aug 2004 04:46:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-271 John, looks like you need bigger print, somewhere, explaining to folks that the site administrator gets to peep at postings before they're actually allowed online. Not a criticism of folks repeating their posts -- as trials. I just fell into the same trap when another site [that I visit, frequently] turned on the software switch that ended instant display under "recent comments" to let the editors examine content before appropriate posting. I and several others sent letters letting the editors know of the sudden appearance of a "bug" -- that turned out to be a procedural decision. John, looks like you need bigger print, somewhere, explaining to folks that the site administrator gets to peep at postings before they’re actually allowed online.

Not a criticism of folks repeating their posts — as trials. I just fell into the same trap when another site [that I visit, frequently] turned on the software switch that ended instant display under “recent comments” to let the editors examine content before appropriate posting. I and several others sent letters letting the editors know of the sudden appearance of a “bug” — that turned out to be a procedural decision.

]]> By: James Dermitt http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-270 James Dermitt Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:48:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-270 Lets reverse this John, and say Google hooks up with CBS, CNN, ABC, FOX and even offers NBC a deal, along with any other major or minor news outlet out there. Each channel gets a branded spot on the Google News page. CBS goes for it, CNN is in and ABC likes this a says we'll Google and PBS jumps on it. Now NBC is odd man out, since MSNBC has a anti-Google newsbot. The plan moves ahead and now Google News has Google Audio and Video and the resources of CBS, CNN and ABC, plus all important PBS. Google News now has a critical mass of users, who are coming from CBS, CNN, PBS and ABC. Google now uses this new traffic and makes itself more attractive for all the newspapers looking for readers. Now Google has this Google Local site, which is now running, http://local.google.com/ which works with Google News and then you have Google Local News. All Google does is organize the directories and the newspapers along with broadcasters decide what goes in which category, no bot required. The news is very well organized. When it comes down to the wire, you can't take people out of the loop and have stories worth a damn. Like politics, all news is local at the end of the day. If the big networks can use the Google Directories and Google Local effectively, it is better for them, their local affiliates and in the end the consumers. So MSNBC is now the anti-Google news bot indexing the Web for news, being attacked by viruses and spreading fear among the locals. The formula for success in the news business isn't a big secret. Tell it like it is and the people will decide what is important. No bot can do that. Gmail should help automate news delivery and work well with Google News http://gmail.google.com/ This should make a personalized news gmail easier to achieve, if that is what people want in the morning. Lets reverse this John, and say Google hooks up with CBS, CNN, ABC, FOX and even offers NBC a deal, along with any other major or minor news outlet out there. Each channel gets a branded spot on the Google News page. CBS goes for it, CNN is in and ABC likes this a says we’ll Google and PBS jumps on it. Now NBC is odd man out, since MSNBC has a anti-Google newsbot. The plan moves ahead and now Google News has Google Audio and Video and the resources of CBS, CNN and ABC, plus all important PBS. Google News now has a critical mass of users, who are coming from CBS, CNN, PBS and ABC. Google now uses this new traffic and makes itself more attractive for all the newspapers looking for readers. Now Google has this Google Local site, which is now running, http://local.google.com/ which works with Google News and then you have Google Local News. All Google does is organize the directories and the newspapers along with broadcasters decide what goes in which category, no bot required.

The news is very well organized. When it comes down to the wire, you can’t take people out of the loop and have stories worth a damn. Like politics, all news is local at the end of the day. If the big networks can use the Google Directories and Google Local effectively, it is better for them, their local affiliates and in the end the consumers.

So MSNBC is now the anti-Google news bot indexing the Web for news, being attacked by viruses and spreading fear among the locals. The formula for success in the news business isn’t a big secret. Tell it like it is and the people will decide what is important. No bot can do that.

Gmail should help automate news delivery and work well with Google News http://gmail.google.com/ This should make a personalized news gmail easier to achieve, if that is what people want in the morning.

]]> By: otherlandstrongman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-265 otherlandstrongman Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:44:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-265 Try it again I will! Try it again I will!

]]> By: otherlandstrongman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-264 otherlandstrongman Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:44:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-264 test, why is this comment add not working? test, why is this comment add not working?

]]> By: otherlandstrongman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-263 otherlandstrongman Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:43:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-263 There is indeed a MSNBC bias to the selected headlines - half of front page links are to MSNBC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29430-2004Jul31.html http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/01/130243&tid=99&tid=109 There is indeed a MSNBC bias to the selected headlines – half of front page links are to MSNBC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29430-2004Jul31.html

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/01/130243&tid=99&tid=109

]]> By: otherlandstrongman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-262 otherlandstrongman Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:43:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-262 There is indeed a MSNBC bias to the selected headlines - half of front page links are to MSNBC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29430-2004Jul31.html http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/01/130243&tid=99&tid=109 There is indeed a MSNBC bias to the selected headlines – half of front page links are to MSNBC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29430-2004Jul31.html

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/01/130243&tid=99&tid=109

]]> By: James Dermitt http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2004/08/01/msnbc-newsbot/comment-page-1/#comment-259 James Dermitt Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:37:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=144#comment-259 Maybe Microsoft can get a cable deal going with CBS and launch MSBS. Maybe Microsoft can get a cable deal going with CBS and launch MSBS.

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