Comments on: Official secrecy reaches historic high in the U.S.

By: Mike Voice

Mike Voice — Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:10:06 +0000

In crude terms for every dollar the terrorists spend, the USA and other western countries spend a million.

Agreed. We are told that deficit-spending is to be expected during a war, and that taxes need to be reduced to stimulate the economy. We are increasing our spending while reducing our income – which is a recipe for a painful economic future.

They can keep this up forever and only rarely need to achieve anything, even a threat will be responded to.

The 2nd front on terrorism was supposed to keep the terrorists occupied with attacking our troops in Afganistan and Iraq. But Madrid, and now London, are sad examples of the truth that they “only rarely need to achieve results”.

After London was bombed, New York was put on high alert. Why? Any evidence uncovered that an attack was planned? Or just knee-jerk paranoia?

By: MikA

MikA — Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:37:52 +0000

I hope you’ll forgive a foreigner commenting here but it seems to me that no-one is looking hard enough at the long game.
President Reagan caused the Soviet Union to implode by massive military spending which made the USSR attempt to keep up causing all sorts of financial problems there resulting in the collapse of the state.
It seems to me that the terrorists are using a similar but much cheaper strategy against the USA. Every terrorist action or threat causes the US government to spend on countermeasures to the action and every other similar action that anyone in power can think of. In crude terms for every dollar the terrorists spend, the USA and other western countries spend a million. They can keep this up forever and only rarely need to achieve anything, even a threat will be responded to.
Tell me I’m wrong here but the numbers look convincing to me

By: Zappini

Zappini — Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:52:34 +0000

Teyecoon wrote: …the fact that Bush got re-elected… Why do you assume Bush won the 2004 election?

By: Teyecoon

Teyecoon — Mon, 04 Jul 2005 01:11:34 +0000

I agree with Joe in that it looks to me like the terrorists have won. Hell, the fact that Bush got re-elected on a “security” basis proves to me that they won. Not to mention, the overwhelming resurgence of the Christianity influence in this country to somehow offset the “terroristic” influence of the Muslim religion because we want to believe in something as passionately as they do or we evidently lose (the extremist belief game). It’s like two sides of a sporting event believing that they will win if they give more support to “their sides” mascot than the other team.

By: Mike Voice

Mike Voice — Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:50:51 +0000

I thought that crap was bad enough when I got out of the Navy in ‘96, I can’t imagine how much worse it is now.

As an example, I worked in the Nuclear Propulsion field. On top of all the materials being classified Confidential [the three main levels - at the time - being Top Secret, Secret, and Confidential] , and Noforn [no foreign nationals were allowed to see this stuff] , and NNPI [Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information ] – they started a new category called PNNPI [Previously NNPI ] – covering materials which no longer qualfied as NNPI, but were still considered “sensitive”.

When I retired, I had to sign two security debriefing statements – one for general classified materials, and a second for NNPI materials.

The exciting part was that after the Walker spy scandal, Regan’s administration had added wording (to be clear – before I had to sign it, not after) which stated I could be prosecuted for revealing what was currently considered non-classifed materials – if a President – at some later date – decided it should be classified information.

So, in the post-9/11 world, I don’t talk about any of that shit – because I have no way of knowing what has been retroactively classified.

And I’m sure the paranoid idiots behind all of this see that as a good thing

By: Joe Gaffney

Joe Gaffney — Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:17:58 +0000

By striking the WTC, the terrorists have set into motion the destruction of the United States from within. They just have to sit back and watch us curtail our liberties and spend ourselves in bankruptcy to protect ourselves from their “perceived” threat. I’m not worried about the terrorists near as much as I’m worried about the actions taken by our own government. The keep telling us the terrorists haven’t won yet they keep acting like they have.