US News Article | Reuters.com — As the case against Karl Rove as a leaker and possibly a geniune traitor bubbles, I’m starting to see interesting parsing that sounds more like the defense of a mob boss.
The White House came under increasing pressure this week to explain Rove’s role in the case after reports that Rove was one of the secret sources who spoke to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame and her husband. Rove’s lawyer was quoted as saying his client did not mention Plame by name.
Faced with jail if he did not discuss his sources, Cooper agreed last week to testify in the investigation. New York Times reporter Judith Miller refused to testify about sources she spoke to on the story and was jailed.
That “not mentioning Plame by name” would go like this, “You never know who works for the CIA undercover, do you? Some people in high places, such as, say, the Ambassador to Iraq, might have a wife like that, huh?”
That’s not mentioning her by name is it? I don’t think this is going to blow over like they are hoping. Exactly why the right-wingers aren’t up in arms about this is very strange since this is a total violation of everything they believe. Or is it that this never happened?
John -
Why do you assume that when I say “leftwinger” I am referring to you specificallly? I’m just talking about the people who have screamed the loudest on this issue. You do seem a mite defensive.
OK, I’m looking at my calendar. Yes, it is indeed 8 months and 2 weeks after the American electorate rejected Kerry’s fish, er, war stories.
Wilson may not have directly blown anyone’s cover, but if you’re married to a CIA undercover operative, would you be sending a column to the New York Times about the CIA? It’s not clear that Karl Rove leaked anything at this point, and if he didn’t know she was a CIA operative, then he couldn’t have had payback of killing her job as a motive.
Clinton had numerous scandals involving national security. The biggest one was taking campaign money to send weapons to China. The Pentagon’s power to vote contracts in technology sales was transferred to the commerce department, which nowadays is the department of corporate campaign contributions(Ron Brown under Clinton, Don Evans under Bush.) He also had the Energy Department letting Chinese scientists in everywhere at and they were declassifying all sorts of nuclear know-how, while prosecuting Wen Ho Lee with no case.
Mr. Mustard -
This whole charade centers on the claim that Ms. Plame was a “covert” CIA agent.
There has been no conclusive proof of this claim to date – in fact, the first person to make that allegation, was Mr. Wilson himself. Maybe he should be executed for treason?
And don’t allegations of incompetence and nepotism within the CIA concern you in the slightest?
This is all pure conjecture with no basis in fact. Noboby here actually “knows” what the grand jury testimony was, so until Mr. Fitzgerald decides what has happend this is all pure bull. If you do know what the grand jury testimony is and are leaking it here then I am sure the special prosecutor will want to speak with you peronally. You might want a lawyer present.
Gee Frank your fact checking is worthy of Rush “got another pill” Limbaugh.
I mean at least Kerry was in Nam and heard a bullet or two in combat. What did Duhbya hear during Vietnam except the sound of cocaine being blown up his nose in Houston? And how about Delay – no doubt another hero of yours – who skipped Vietnam to do important insecticide sales work in Texas? Or Cheney and Wolfowitz – both “too busy ” by their own admission to serve? I find it interesting that those neocons who DIDN’T see combat always accuse those that did of being cowards.
Kerry got rejected because Rove deliberately split the country over the biggest non-issue of all – gay marriage. The religious right fell for it and decided that it would be better to continue to kill lots of Iraqis and American service men and woman rather than “risk” Kerry getting elected and maybe a gay would marry. Like being gay is a viral infection. “Mother, keep junior away from them fags, he might get fag virus”.
Please go ahead and consider me “left wing”. I use to be a republican until Duhbya and the rest of the neo con Hitler youth invaded the Whitehouse. I’ll stay left wing until that coward in the Whitehouse is gone.
I’m not sure what your point is – Kerry OPPOSES gay marriage.
And even in states where Kerry won, anti-gay marriage amendments were passed by significant majorities.
I use to be a republican until Duhbya and the rest of the neo con Hitler youth invaded the Whitehouse.
Nice try, Moby. But do you really think you’re fooling anyone?
My point is exactly as stated. Rove and the neocons used the gay marriage issue to divide the country and leverage the religious idiots.
The religious waccos didn’t listen to what Kerry said – they were listening to the “don’t be a fag alarm” raised by Rove.
Frank, I think his point is the bitter irony that a members of regime that took the country by storm with its battle cry of “Values” turn out to be the most unethical and value-free lizards ever to slither out of a Texas swamp.
As to your claim that Valerie Plame may not have been a covert CIA operative, where’s the beef? If she were filing paperwork for landscape contractors, don’t you think the Radical Right would have published her job description in a million blogs by now? The very fact that even hard-core Rove supporters seem hard-pressed to come up with a description of exactly what she WAS doing (beyond working in some “classified” context for the CIA) seems to be prima facie evidence that she was, in fact, an undercover CIA operative.
btw, Vietnam Veteran Kerry OPPOSED Dumbya’s ridiculous idea of a Constitutional U.S. amendment banning gay marriage. He may be personally opposed to the idea, but at least he’s smart enough to recognize the proper role of the U.S. government, which is NOT legislating its particular brand of morality for every village and hamlet in the country.
I’d like to have Moby’s money. Karl ..err sorry – Frank.
No I’m just I working guy who has friends in the 278 RCT from Tennessee that I don’t want killed to no reason.
BTW – I voted to W the first election and supported the Afghan campaign until him until he became duhbya.
Hey I wanted to ask how you got the pres’s press sec to lie for you – Oh sorry again! I mean Karl Rove.
In a Grand Jury investigation, the first witness called MUST be the one spelling out the crime. If the Grand Jury doesn’t have a crime then there is nothing for it to investigate and must therefore be dismissed. Therefore a top level member of the CIA would have had to testify that Valerie Plame indeed worked in a protected position and the reveling of her name would be a crime. Because the Grand Jury has continued to sit, then they must have been handed a crime. Since Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed to investigate the publication of Valerie Plame’s name and occupation, it is reasonable to believe that a crime has been committed.
Frank, I know many Vietnam vets who opposed that war. Not all do, but most realize the futility and waste caused by that war. If John Kerry made any mistake during the campaign, it was not suing the Swift Boat Veterans challenging his record. Kerry’s war record remains un-impeached to this day. Bush’s record, along with the rest of his cabal, is a disgrace. The Republican leadership is rotten to the core.