There is nothing wrong with believing in creationism per se. The problem is when Creationists step over the line and expect that it should be treated as science.

> You are so worried
> about having your rights infringed upon, what about our
> rights, what about our free speech?

Ah, free speech. So, we should allow our science classes to teach that Purple Leprechauns created the universe? We should allow our science classes to teach that aliens created the universe and imprisoned soles in volcanoes?

Science is about what is provable. No one has any problem teach creationism/”intelligent” design for what it is: religion, cultural anthropology, philosophy, ancient civilizations, mythology or a host of other subjects. Just do not try to pass it off as science. Just as we shouldn’t teach Spanish in an English class.

> Also, why you are
> spouting off about evolution being a fact of nature? It is
> only a theory and a flawed one at that, most of the
> supposed facts that support it have only been proved to be
> hoaxes, even Darwin later in life admitted that his THEORY
> was flawed.
> Creationism to many is a theory, just like
> evolution, so why can’t it be given the same amount of
> respect?

You mean like gravity is only a theory? Electromagnetism is only a theory? To make such a statement shows a severe ignorance about the difference between a layman’s definition of a theory and a scientist’s definition of a theory.

That species evolved is a FACT. There is absolutely no question that species have and are evolving. To argue the contrary is the equivalent of arguing that the world is flat. The only discussion is about the mechanics of evolution (e.g. the causes, the speed of evolution etc.) Even “intelligent” design proponents do not argue this. Rather, they argue that that species evolved but were originally “designed” by something or someone. Of course, their ideology still does not qualify as science because they can provide no scientific evidence said “designer” exists.

> Some said that creationism was just made up by
> man, well so was evolution,

Not true. The theory that species evolved was *deduced* from evidence. Creationism was devised by the whims of the biblical writers. There is a vast difference.

> if you bothered to do any
> research before spouting off about how horrible Creationism
> is you would find out that it has just as much scientific
> backing as you think evolution does.

> Read about the Bible
> why you are at it too, it has NEVER been proven
> historically wrong, I will repeat NEVER been proven to be
> historically wrong, you might not believe in God, but you
> can’t deny the historical accuracy of the Bible, and to
> those who are thinking that you’ll prove me wrong about the
> Bible try coming up with a credible source. And to the
> person that brought Hitler into the subject great job at
> making yourself sound like a jerk.

Really. Well, let’s see, the writers of the bible believed in a flat earth. The bible claims that a farmer built a boat and put all the worlds species (which would count in the billions and weigh in the hundreds of thousands of tons) onto it and waited out a flood. The bible is a collection of stories that relate to the events that occurred at the time to teach the readers about their religion. It was not meant to be taken literally.

The UC was absolutely right in rejecting these pseudoscience courses from being passed off as science.

This is patently wrong. 1930’s Germans, including and especially Nazis, were staunchly Christian. Remember that Germany made up the remnants of the Holy Roman Empire (numerous years earlier of course). Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic, was confirmed and served as an alter boy.

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”
–Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

“The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.”
–Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops

“By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles– or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles– by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.”
- Adolf Hitler from “Mein Kampf”

There is absolutely no question that Germans in 1930’s, and especially Nazis, were predominantly Christian.

> Muslims are protected by the MSM and also heavily by the
> ACLU.

The ACLU “protects” a host of groups including Christians. The ACLU’s mission is to protect civil liberties from abuse by the government.

> Christianity is constantly run down as being religious
> zealots and nuts unlike the protected Islamic faith.

Don’t feel bad. People think Christian zealots are equally loony to Islamic zealots.

The second point would be your inclusion of the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. If those bombs were not dropped it would have caused not only mass causalities on the American side but huge numbers Japanese civilians would have been killed in the post X-Day invasions of Japan. The Japanese government and Emperor of Japan had told the civilians to fight on till the last man.

First off Nazis were not Christians (no matter how bad you want them to be). Hitler was a Pagan. Muslims are protected by the MSM and also heavily by the ACLU. Africans were sold into slavery by Muslim slave traders but this fact is being erased by many historians because it doesn’t fit with the template that white Christians are to blame for everything. Christianity is constantly run down as being religious zealots and nuts unlike the protected Islamic faith.

Also dropping the atomic bomb on Japan saved at least 1 million American lives and millions of Japanesse lives that would have been lost in the invasion.

I fail to understand what your post has to do with the topic at hand. First of all, Christianity is generally more protected by the MSM and left in the west because generally we are also members or culturally lean that way. What has occurred is the reduction in abusing and slandering other people’s beliefs. It is now Politically Incorrect to badmouth other’s religions.

What is taking a hit, IMHO, is the separation of church and state to the detriment of the church. Less and less, we are allowing religion to govern our daily lives. In the debate over teaching Evolution, there is a contradiction that many devout Christians have a hard time accepting. It is this non-acceptance that has fueled the idea of intelligent design as the equivalent to Evolution. The whole notion of intelligent design is an attempt to re-introduce the Bible into classrooms.

And yes, it was Muslims that flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon. It was Christians though, that dropped napalm on the Vietnamese, the atomic bomb on the Japanese, and built the ovens for the Jewish Holocaust. It was Christians that subjugated native people in Africa, the Americas, Asia, Australia, and the Pacific Islands. It was Christians that stole the land for their own settlement and took the natural resources for their own with no regard for what was left behind. And on the seventh day God saw that all was good, and he rested.

Sounds,
Quit talking to your bacteria. People are beginning to talk.

Out of curiosity – if evolution doesn’t work – then why do we breed cattle – sheep – horses – cats – dogs etc.

I mean if evolution doesn’t work – why bother try to breed a better horse?

It is weird that Islam is the only protected theology by the media and the left and it’s also peculiar that radical Islam shares many ideals with Communism.

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And there was a lawsuit filed last year by a university student in Florida who sued his school because he disagreed with his biology student. (I’m sorry, I can’t find a link.)

I can’t help but wonder why Christians even go to college if they already know everything a priori?!

And I find it hilarious that the Right is using political correctness to further its agenda. I guess it’s true, what goes around comes around.

Apparently the “intelligent” people you hang out with haven’t seen the reams of actual documented scientific case evidence showing evolution occuring, not just millions of years ago, but on a consistent and continuing basis througout the animal kingdom (that includes us, btw).

Of course, the creationist will attest, this should all be ignored thanks to constantly edited and fabricated wealth of religous doctrine used to control the masses since recorded history.

Intelligent Design? I like the though that Cancer, Down’s syndrome, Achondroplasia, and the myriad of other genetic disorders aren’t the result of chaotic factors, but instead were the intent of a “Supreme intelligence” – who obviously has a sick sense of humor.

Lots of talk about the “holes” and “gaps” in Darwin, but nothing about the holes and gaps in Genesis. A “theory” can be attacked freely, but not an article of faith.

Replacing Evolution with ID/Creationism reminds me of the AARP ads about “fixing” Social Security – leaky faucet, so tear the entire house down.

I wonder what will actually be taught regarding ID?

How do you spend a year elaborating on “Everything was designed (by something)”?