Comments on: The US will start tracking all drivers http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:22:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Wofford http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84466 John Wofford Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:47:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84466 The government can do anything they want to the American public, so long as they don't screw up TV. And I agree that such a move would be oppresive in the extreme, predatory in nature and an indicator of just how low our representive's (leeches?) opinions are of the folks that elected them, although I'm beginning to suspect the whole election hooha is a scam. But long haul truckers are required to track every mile traveled through every state, every gallon purchased and then each quarter they must pay their base jurisdiction for the miles they operated in each state where they didn't buy enough fuel to pay the taxes. Furthermore, there has been a running battle the last few years over the whole on board electronic tracking issue. So now the government wants to tax privately owned vehicles the same way? My question is: When will the ravening beast of government become sated? How much longer will we continue to feed these clowns? Our social security taxes don't go to the old folks, our road use taxes don't go to fix the highways and what in the name of ten hells happens to all that money we send these people every year? The government can do anything they want to the American public, so long as they don’t screw up TV. And I agree that such a move would be oppresive in the extreme, predatory in nature and an indicator of just how low our representive’s (leeches?) opinions are of the folks that elected them, although I’m beginning to suspect the whole election hooha is a scam.
But long haul truckers are required to track every mile traveled through every state, every gallon purchased and then each quarter they must pay their base jurisdiction for the miles they operated in each state where they didn’t buy enough fuel to pay the taxes. Furthermore, there has been a running battle the last few years over the whole on board electronic tracking issue.
So now the government wants to tax privately owned vehicles the same way? My question is: When will the ravening beast of government become sated? How much longer will we continue to feed these clowns? Our social security taxes don’t go to the old folks, our road use taxes don’t go to fix the highways and what in the name of ten hells happens to all that money we send these people every year?

]]> By: Chris http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84382 Chris Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:35:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84382 This makes me want to think twice about buying new cars in the future. Last thing I want is another way for Big Brother to know my every move. Aside from taxing road usage, which I think is retarded anyways cause I like to do a lot of driving, I don't think I would feel safer knowing that my every location is being monitored. As much as I don't like paying ungodly amounts of money to fill up my gas tank, maybe they should add the tax to gas prices and use that to cover road costs. It would seem that people who fill up more are driving more anyways. This makes me want to think twice about buying new cars in the future. Last thing I want is another way for Big Brother to know my every move. Aside from taxing road usage, which I think is retarded anyways cause I like to do a lot of driving, I don’t think I would feel safer knowing that my every location is being monitored. As much as I don’t like paying ungodly amounts of money to fill up my gas tank, maybe they should add the tax to gas prices and use that to cover road costs. It would seem that people who fill up more are driving more anyways.

]]> By: garym http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84381 garym Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:34:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84381 I think this is a serious affront to our civil liberties. I served 22 years in the Air Force protecting American liberties, and there is no way in hell I would stand up to losing them to a government beauracrosy. This isn't about use taxes, road taxes or anything else. It is a way for the government to track its citizens to spy on them in case they even think about doing something illegal. I live in Washington state and we already pay the nation's third highest gasoline taxes and our vehicle taxes just changed from a vehicle value-based tax to a vehicle weight-based tax. Those are our use fees for using the public roadways. We also pay extra sales taxes to support public transportation and a use tax for toll roads and bridges. We pay more than enough taxes to support the crappy roads in this state and none of that money is going into maintaining them, this tax won't either. This is a completely corrupt use of technology and a serious violation of privacy. And, Bob, this will not create jobs. The state will use the in-place vehicle emmissions stations to install the GPS tracking device (and of course, charge the vehicle owner a fee for the device and labor to install it), use currently available satelites/towers to read the signals and put the current government database managers to use to build the application to track the vehicles. Where is the added employment in that? Gary I think this is a serious affront to our civil liberties. I served 22 years in the Air Force protecting American liberties, and there is no way in hell I would stand up to losing them to a government beauracrosy.

This isn’t about use taxes, road taxes or anything else. It is a way for the government to track its citizens to spy on them in case they even think about doing something illegal.

I live in Washington state and we already pay the nation’s third highest gasoline taxes and our vehicle taxes just changed from a vehicle value-based tax to a vehicle weight-based tax. Those are our use fees for using the public roadways. We also pay extra sales taxes to support public transportation and a use tax for toll roads and bridges. We pay more than enough taxes to support the crappy roads in this state and none of that money is going into maintaining them, this tax won’t either.

This is a completely corrupt use of technology and a serious violation of privacy.

And, Bob, this will not create jobs. The state will use the in-place vehicle emmissions stations to install the GPS tracking device (and of course, charge the vehicle owner a fee for the device and labor to install it), use currently available satelites/towers to read the signals and put the current government database managers to use to build the application to track the vehicles. Where is the added employment in that?

Gary

]]> By: Dvorak reader http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84351 Dvorak reader Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:14:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84351 Follow me to Walmart bumper stickers for all the wage slavers out there might be a good idea. No computer needed. My Truck Drives Itself To Walmart. Always cheap stuff and they got a Mickey D's for my fat assed pig old lady. We got a bag of Snickers bars for two bucks. Follow me to Walmart bumper stickers for all the wage slavers out there might be a good idea. No computer needed. My Truck Drives Itself To Walmart. Always cheap stuff and they got a Mickey D’s for my fat assed pig old lady. We got a bag of Snickers bars for two bucks.

]]> By: BOB G http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84334 BOB G Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:21:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84334 Most poor folk have a lot more to worry them then if the goverment knows they are going to walmart. Also I see this helping create a lot of jobs. yea thats it jobs. Most poor folk have a lot more to worry them then if the goverment knows they are going to walmart. Also I see this helping create a lot of jobs. yea thats it jobs.

]]> By: BL http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84320 BL Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:11:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84320 Floyd - How about putting RFID in your shoe, and you would walk over a pressure-sensitive mat that reads the signal. But if you step on the mat without a valid RFID signal, the ALARM rings out... I'm giving away too much...ug Floyd – How about putting RFID in your shoe, and you would walk over a pressure-sensitive mat that reads the signal. But if you step on the mat without a valid RFID signal, the ALARM rings out… I’m giving away too much…ug

]]> By: robert john http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84292 robert john Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:08:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84292 I heard the government wants to put a tracking system in our toilets; everytime t the toilet seat goes up, the tracking system is activated. They originally wanted to put a camera in there but the liberals in Congress nixed that. Sounds a little over the top but hey; we need to do everything we can to fight terrorism. I heard the government wants to put a tracking system in our toilets; everytime t the toilet seat goes up, the tracking system is activated. They originally wanted to put a camera in there but the liberals in Congress nixed that. Sounds a little over the top but hey; we need to do everything we can to fight terrorism.

]]> By: Janey James http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84278 Janey James Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:02:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84278 I'm amazed that a country that toppled the idea of dollars being turned into coins would tolerate this even in a PR survey! I really thought Americans had more guts! I’m amazed that a country that toppled the idea of dollars being turned into coins would tolerate this even in a PR survey! I really thought Americans had more guts!

]]> By: Floyd http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84272 Floyd Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:13:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84272 BL: Cell towers won't work in Western states--too many areas which don't have coverage. Poor don't yell because they're less informed than the middle class and rich. Of course the tax is regressive. It's considered a way to tax fuel efficient vehicles, because they get better mileage than gas guzzlers and so get a tax break. No sense to this tax, as efficient vehicles don't damage the roads as much as big ones. IIRC RFID has a limited detectible range, maybe a couple of feet, thank goodness. BL: Cell towers won’t work in Western states–too many areas which don’t have coverage. Poor don’t yell because they’re less informed than the middle class and rich.

Of course the tax is regressive. It’s considered a way to tax fuel efficient vehicles, because they get better mileage than gas guzzlers and so get a tax break. No sense to this tax, as efficient vehicles don’t damage the roads as much as big ones.

IIRC RFID has a limited detectible range, maybe a couple of feet, thank goodness.

]]> By: Dvorak reader http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84271 Dvorak reader Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:07:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84271 Sorry, I meant camera-server-algorithm-wireless fantasy. You can't leave the wireless wiz kids out of the Mod Squad. If it isn't totally wireless, it isn't 3G or Web 2.0ish enough and won't work with the total information awareness software that will guard the country. You can wear an aluminum foil hat to block the wireless mind control signals. Sorry, I meant camera-server-algorithm-wireless fantasy. You can’t leave the wireless wiz kids out of the Mod Squad. If it isn’t totally wireless, it isn’t 3G or Web 2.0ish enough and won’t work with the total information awareness software that will guard the country. You can wear an aluminum foil hat to block the wireless mind control signals.

]]> By: BL http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84269 BL Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:42:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84269 This will not be by satellite. I guess they would use one of the wireless networks (like the cell phone networks). Why not put RFID in everyone clothes (non-optional accessory), and tax each person every time he or she leaves home? What I don't understand is why the poor don't yell about these types of taxes, as these fees tend towards the regressive end of the scale. I can see as day when the rich no longer pay any tax, you know, to foster trickle down (heavy emphasis on trick). This will not be by satellite. I guess they would use one of the wireless networks (like the cell phone networks).

Why not put RFID in everyone clothes (non-optional accessory), and tax each person every time he or she leaves home?

What I don’t understand is why the poor don’t yell about these types of taxes, as these fees tend towards the regressive end of the scale. I can see as day when the rich no longer pay any tax, you know, to foster trickle down (heavy emphasis on trick).

]]> By: Dvorak reader http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84262 Dvorak reader Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:12:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84262 Complexity is the name of the game with this sort of stuff. It reminds me of the old Star Wars stuff (the gov't. version not Hollywood). ADDRESS TO THE NATION ON DEFENSE AND NATIONAL SECURITY March 23, 1983 "The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor. We maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression -- to preserve freedom and peace." Ronald Reagan Things change. Now we are an aggressor willing to try anything and everything to prevent aggression at any cost. Our only purpose -- one all people share -- is to search for ways to reduce the danger of terrorism. It won't happen by tracking traffic, that's what we have state troopers for. Buy more helicopters and hire more state troopers. They are the last line of defense and you can't replace them with some camera-server-algorithm fantasy thought up by the U.S. DOT consultants or some university researchers. They can't even afford 2 troopers in one patrol car in our state and now they are wasting billions of dollars on some pipe dream. Totally corrupt and deadly in the name of total information awareness. All you need to be aware of is a small area located between two ears, behind two eyes. Complexity is the name of the game with this sort of stuff. It reminds me of the old Star Wars stuff (the gov’t. version not Hollywood).

ADDRESS TO THE NATION ON DEFENSE AND NATIONAL SECURITY
March 23, 1983
“The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor. We maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression — to preserve freedom and peace.” Ronald Reagan

Things change. Now we are an aggressor willing to try anything and everything to prevent aggression at any cost. Our only purpose — one all people share — is to search for ways to reduce the danger of terrorism. It won’t happen by tracking traffic, that’s what we have state troopers for. Buy more helicopters and hire more state troopers. They are the last line of defense and you can’t replace them with some camera-server-algorithm fantasy thought up by the U.S. DOT consultants or some university researchers. They can’t even afford 2 troopers in one patrol car in our state and now they are wasting billions of dollars on some pipe dream. Totally corrupt and deadly in the name of total information awareness. All you need to be aware of is a small area located between two ears, behind two eyes.

]]> By: Floyd http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84247 Floyd Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:28:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84247 Um--states already get registration fees (often based on vehicle value) and gas taxes on vehicles. So now they want to charge you for every mile you drive that car??? Isn't that triple taxation? I suspect that tracking every vehicle on the road in Washington State alone will overload any satellite designed to track those vehicles. Now multiply the load by roughly 50 (much worse in large states like California New York or Texas of course). Can you say serious computational complexity? Um–states already get registration fees (often based on vehicle value) and gas taxes on vehicles. So now they want to charge you for every mile you drive that car??? Isn’t that triple taxation?

I suspect that tracking every vehicle on the road in Washington State alone will overload any satellite designed to track those vehicles. Now multiply the load by roughly 50 (much worse in large states like California New York or Texas of course). Can you say serious computational complexity?

]]> By: GregAllen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84246 GregAllen Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:22:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84246 Goodness what a misguided use of technology... especially for taxes. A gas tax is about as fair a "road usage fee" as you can get. The more you drive the more you pay. It also costs more to drive a road-wearing giganto SUV or a heavy polluter. It does make sense for rental vehicles and maybe commercial vehicles. Goodness what a misguided use of technology… especially for taxes.

A gas tax is about as fair a “road usage fee” as you can get. The more you drive the more you pay. It also costs more to drive a road-wearing giganto SUV or a heavy polluter.

It does make sense for rental vehicles and maybe commercial vehicles.

]]> By: Dvorak reader http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2005/12/26/us-will-start-tracking-all-drivers-and-it-will-be-mandatory/comment-page-1/#comment-84234 Dvorak reader Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:40:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=3687#comment-84234 I just found some priceless jewelry in boxes of inexpensive cereal. I'm rich! I just found some priceless jewelry in boxes of inexpensive cereal.
I’m rich!

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