At close range? I would much rather face the MAC-10 than the knife, as would almost everybody who knows anything about close-quarters combat.

As to the rest of your post, you merely fight fact and logic with emotion and hysteria.

I’d like to take the time to dissect your argument and topple each point like a house of cards, but I’m leaving for the gun range now. I’ll just leave the task up to others; I have little to say that these fine people quoted below haven’t already said:

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“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. ~Sigmund Freud”

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes….Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. ~Thomas Jefferson”

“You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass. ~Admiral Yamamoto”
(Advising Japan’s military leaders of the futility of an invasion of the mainland United States because of the widespread availability of guns. It has been theorized that this was a major contributing factor in Japan’s decision not to land on North America early in the war when they had vastly superior military strength. This delay gave our industrial infrastructure time to gear up for the conflict and was decisive in our later victory.)

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. ~Adolf Hitler”

“A free people ought to be armed. ~George Washington”

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms. ~James Madison”

“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. ~John F. Kennedy”

“That rifle on the wall of the laborer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. ~George Orwell”

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. ~The Dalai Lama”

“There’s no question that weapons in the hands of the public have prevented acts of terror or stopped them. ~Israeli Police Inspector General Shlomo Aharonisky”

“Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans” Robert. E Lee

The best thing about this country is that you can make your own decisions as to what is right for yourself instead of being forced, or at least it is still somewhat that way. So many people want to impose their own views and opinions on others with legislation. They want to retain their rights while taking rights from others. In the end, they take eveyone’s freedom away, law by law. That is what I call “lower intelligence”

One the other hand, you should still retain your feedom of speech, whatever you opinion. That being said… I think that strict gun control has worked well for France, Britan and Hitler. Besides, the french might drop their guns and damage them

I am sure that the little girl will have a lot more severe issues to deal with in life then going out with the old man to play with some big boys toys. If you can’t understand why guys like to blow stuff up, then maybe you should stay home, sit on the couch and eat some Tofu and watch Dr Phil while doing your nails.

>Only if your job entails killing could the gun be a useful tool.

I suggested that professional bialthetes use guns and their job does not entail killing. If there is even one bialthete that gets endorsements, then their job IS their sport and I didn’t even mention range masters. This still ignores the obvious fact that a tool for protection can also be used for recreation like swords.

Then you retorted with this ridiculous response:

> Professional athletes might play a sport, but they don’t
> play the game AS A SPORT. They are paid to win.

You are pointlessly attempting to draw a line between those that play a sport to win (btw, why play a [competition] sport if you are not trying to win?) and those that get paid to play a sport (but not to win?). This line of thinking is wholly irrelevant to the fact that there are uses for guns besides killing. I need only name one, such as recreation, to establish that point.

> They are not paid to play fair, give a break, or not take advantage
> of their opponent.

Where you were going with this I have no idea. Are somehow suggesting that professional athletes are paid to cheat?

>Now where the f*** do you come up with this crap…

I think Paul Theodoropoulos answered this nicely.

>I know the role of guns in society.

No, you think you know because you have apparently experienced a tragedy. I am empathetic for your loss, but you are still blaming the tool and not the person and events that caused the tragedy to hurt someone. If your tragedy had occurred with a knife, chainsaw or even Drano, would you then call for a ban on those items?

>This video shows at least two instances of people being irresponsible.

What would those be?

I’ve seen gun control in real life scenarios and I’m convinced… gun laws works.

Could you point to the post where I wished death on gun owners? Only two paragraphs after your diatribe above you quote me saying I support those that wish to hunt. Hhhmmm, you’re sounding a little hysterical on that one.

And of course you see no problem with the video. You wouldn’t either.

Some safety statistics for you for 2002, by the Center for Disease Control

Cause of death:

Assaults:
(Homicide) by discharge of firearms……11,546
(Homicide) by other means…………………..5,500
Legal Intervention………………………………….365
War………………………………………………………..21

Events of Undetermined Intent
Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent..214
Accidental discharge of firearms*……………..813

Suicide
by discharge of firearm………………………….16,882
by other and unspecified means………………13,732

Injury by Firearms,………………………………..29,737

Motor Vehicle Accidents**……………………..44,572

*classified under accidents, not further defined.
**for comparison

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_13.pdf
Table 2, page 18 and 19

I am unable to find statistics about the number of people killed by knives in the US or any other country. Perhaps you know of a link comparing the two. You know, to bolster your argument about their danger.

Sorry to see your 29′ penis is coming out your ear.

It is also naieve to think that people will stop heinous acts just because guns are removed. People who kill others are sick and twisted indivisuals to begin with. They will just need to be a bit more creative.

Your prior post>Even the police are specifically trained *not* to kill and last I checked they all carry firearms.

Ya, right. How many cops do you know that have been held to task for killing or even just shooting someone. Sounds like I caught you contradicting yourself. Either they are trained to kill when they shoot or they are not trained to kill. Which is it?

“Oooooh….So Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady and Roger Clemens don’t have jobs. Got it.”

Professional athletes might play a sport, but they don’t play the game AS A SPORT. They are paid to win. They are not paid to play fair, give a break, or not take advantage of their opponent. Your meandering thought process is showing the weakness of your position.

Now shall we tackle the knife argument. A knife is a tool. As with any tool, it may be used for purposes not intended. Using a screwdriver to pry off a lid is an example of using a tool for an unintended use. Stabbing someone with a screwdriver is also an unintended use. Clobbering someone in the head with a Nine Iron is not what it was intended for. Running over someone with an asphalt roller is not what it was intended for. Wacking someone with a shovel is not what it was intended for. Shooting someone with a nail gun is not what that was intended for. Shooting someone with a FIREARM is just what it was intended for. (With the exception of target guns)

Using a knife wrong is irresponsible. So is the incorrect use of a screwdriver, or asphalt roller, or Nine Iron, or shovel wrong and irresponsible. They may also be deadly.

You are right about swords, daggers, stilletos, foils, sabers, garrote, and other single use weapons. They also have minimal use other then as collector items. I have yet to see any videos of of a two handed idiot making stabbing / slashing motions with machine swords. I have yet to see a video of a father teaching his daughter the joys of using a garrote.

Which would you rather face, someone with a loaded Mac 10 or someone with a knife?

“This remark coming from the person that wanted to kill all gun owners. Quite the pacifist poster child you are.”

Uh, pardon me? Could you point to the post where I wished death on anyone?

“Since you don’t understand the role of guns in society or worse, you think you understand when you don’t, you automatically ridicule that which you find perplexing.”

Now where the f*** do you come up with this crap. Obviously you haven’t read my posts. You’re arguments are not only empty, but now they are asinine. I know the role of guns in society. I have seen what guns can do to people. I’ve felt the blood drip through my fingers. I’ve seen a life flicker out. I saw my tears mixing with the gore on the pavement. I wondered why. The mother’s screams will haunt me until the day I die. He was so little.

Don’t pretend that you know some bullshit about “I have a right”. Your posts show you know s***. Your right includes the responsibility to treat ALL weapons with respect. This video shows at least two instances of people being irresponsible. The only defense I could accept would be their limited intelligence.

The United States has the highest murder rate by far of ALL western society. The majority of homicides are committed using guns. Guns or the threat of guns are used in almost every bank robbery. Each year, more people are killed or injured with a gun kept for defensive purposes then are criminals shot. You don’t like those statistics, try the FBI, they release the same old numbers each year.

As I said before. Responsible gun owners and use are not the issue. Even though I don’t hunt, I have no problem with those that do. Full automatic weapons make very poor hunting guns and even worse target guns. A responsible hunter does not need a 10 round clip, let alone a 30 round clip or magazine.

Given the choice, I would much rather face some crazed idiot waving a knife then a Mac 10.

If we could believe everything we see on the net I’d have a billion dollars, a 29′ penis and would live in the playboy mansion cause you can you know, just as long as you go here http://www.freebigpenisandbilliondollarsandliveintheplayboymansion.com

In all seriousness. I have family and friends who have done their time (and some are going back) in Iraq and they will tell you that yes, guns are out of control and far too prevalent but it has gotten much better and no, there is no way in hell “every Iraqi over the age of 16 had an AK47″.

And I’m sorry I called you a moron, you obviously have some ability to reason, not Pat though, he’s still an idiot. But hey, if ignorance is bliss Pat has got to be one happy citizen.

Navy Guy

“Can we not say it is wrong?”

Why can’t I say that its NOT wrong? As long as safety is practiced – its not. But thats my opinion. Just like saying its wrong is your’s.