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	<title>Comments on: More Public Education Lunacy: London School Bans Raising Hands</title>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90749</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah

Sorry, but your “phone a friend” doesn&#039;t wash. When my boss asks me something, I don&#039;t have the option of asking someone else. I am expected to know or have a darn good explanation why I don&#039;t. My workplace is not that unusual either. It is not being resourceful any more then the old “the dog ate my homework” line I used to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah</p>
<p>Sorry, but your “phone a friend” doesn&#8217;t wash. When my boss asks me something, I don&#8217;t have the option of asking someone else. I am expected to know or have a darn good explanation why I don&#8217;t. My workplace is not that unusual either. It is not being resourceful any more then the old “the dog ate my homework” line I used to use.</p>
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		<title>By: gquaglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>gquaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David is either some nut, or is a paradee of one.  Cant tell which yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David is either some nut, or is a paradee of one.  Cant tell which yet.</p>
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		<title>By: BdgBill</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90723</link>
		<dc:creator>BdgBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave! Where the hell did you go to school? North Korea?

I went to public school when teachers could still keep control of their students (sometimes by dragging you across the room by your ear). This was before ADD was invented.

I can read, balance my checkbook and accept disapointment and criticism without wetting my pants. I understand that my comfort and happiness is not the top priority of every person I encounter.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave! Where the hell did you go to school? North Korea?</p>
<p>I went to public school when teachers could still keep control of their students (sometimes by dragging you across the room by your ear). This was before ADD was invented.</p>
<p>I can read, balance my checkbook and accept disapointment and criticism without wetting my pants. I understand that my comfort and happiness is not the top priority of every person I encounter.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90665</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School&#039;s purpose is only one:

INDOCTRINATE the pupil to serve COUNTRY. To become slaves to the masters at the top of the hierarchy. Proof that you are a slave: You believe what your parents believed. You can&#039;t think for yourself. When you look in the mirror you don&#039;t see yourself. You see an IDEA of yourself.

You are a robot. Schools ensure that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School&#8217;s purpose is only one:</p>
<p>INDOCTRINATE the pupil to serve COUNTRY. To become slaves to the masters at the top of the hierarchy. Proof that you are a slave: You believe what your parents believed. You can&#8217;t think for yourself. When you look in the mirror you don&#8217;t see yourself. You see an IDEA of yourself.</p>
<p>You are a robot. Schools ensure that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90595</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former educator and someone who is still very involved in the education of young children, I find this ban absolutely absurd. The “ooh, pick me” nonsense and flailing hands may be disruptive and annoying, but banning children from raising their hands is not the answer. Children need to be taught how to appropriately participate in a discussion, and raising one’s hand and waiting to be called on is an important step in the learning process. Children also need to learn the value of letting everyone participate, because you never know who might contribute a brilliant idea. 

The “phone a friend” system is actually a good idea hidden behind a silly gimmick. Why not teach children what they’re actually doing—using a resource to help them figure out something they don’t know. This is an important strategy that adults use all the time. When was the last time you Googled something, used an online encyclopedia, or called up your buddy to help you figure out a problem? I bet it wasn’t long ago. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former educator and someone who is still very involved in the education of young children, I find this ban absolutely absurd. The “ooh, pick me” nonsense and flailing hands may be disruptive and annoying, but banning children from raising their hands is not the answer. Children need to be taught how to appropriately participate in a discussion, and raising one’s hand and waiting to be called on is an important step in the learning process. Children also need to learn the value of letting everyone participate, because you never know who might contribute a brilliant idea. </p>
<p>The “phone a friend” system is actually a good idea hidden behind a silly gimmick. Why not teach children what they’re actually doing—using a resource to help them figure out something they don’t know. This is an important strategy that adults use all the time. When was the last time you Googled something, used an online encyclopedia, or called up your buddy to help you figure out a problem? I bet it wasn’t long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: BdgBill</title>
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		<dc:creator>BdgBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Groan.
Feeling bad, embaraased, shamed or disapointed and knowing how to deal with these feelings are a neccesary part of growing up.

We already see the effects of this type of an education with some of the younger people I work with. People who burst out crying or fly into a rage if their boss should ask them why they did not do their job properly or on time.

Calling attention to ones self is also a neccesary skill in the workplace. I have met many people (usually women) who have done an excellent job for many years in the same position and can&#039;t figure out why they have not been offered a promotion. This is usually because they have not let their superior know that they seek more responsibility. They have sat quietly and waited to be &quot;called on&quot;

Who decided that high self esteem educations most important goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Groan.<br />
Feeling bad, embaraased, shamed or disapointed and knowing how to deal with these feelings are a neccesary part of growing up.</p>
<p>We already see the effects of this type of an education with some of the younger people I work with. People who burst out crying or fly into a rage if their boss should ask them why they did not do their job properly or on time.</p>
<p>Calling attention to ones self is also a neccesary skill in the workplace. I have met many people (usually women) who have done an excellent job for many years in the same position and can&#8217;t figure out why they have not been offered a promotion. This is usually because they have not let their superior know that they seek more responsibility. They have sat quietly and waited to be &#8220;called on&#8221;</p>
<p>Who decided that high self esteem educations most important goal?</p>
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		<title>By: site admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>site admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually a Steve Newlin post. As for Don&#039;s remarks did you ever consider that this passive student approach is very fascist? Students must sit quietly and not exhibit any sort of personality.

This is indeed sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually a Steve Newlin post. As for Don&#8217;s remarks did you ever consider that this passive student approach is very fascist? Students must sit quietly and not exhibit any sort of personality.</p>
<p>This is indeed sick.</p>
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		<title>By: RSSaddict</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90425</link>
		<dc:creator>RSSaddict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s unbelievably weird.  It just freaks me out that legislators make these decisions about what &quot;modern education&quot; should be like: politically correct, never too harsh, nurturing &quot;creativity&quot; and &quot;free expression&quot;; and then act surprised when they find out a whole generation of kids can barely read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s unbelievably weird.  It just freaks me out that legislators make these decisions about what &#8220;modern education&#8221; should be like: politically correct, never too harsh, nurturing &#8220;creativity&#8221; and &#8220;free expression&#8221;; and then act surprised when they find out a whole generation of kids can barely read.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90420</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elementary school is mostly crap anyway. 

1)Outside of reading, writing, and arithmetic, how many readers remember anything they learned in grade school?

2)How many use anything they learned in High School?

3)How many had to forget everything they ever learned in school as soon as they entered the workforce? (excepting the reading, writing, and arithmetic)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elementary school is mostly crap anyway. </p>
<p>1)Outside of reading, writing, and arithmetic, how many readers remember anything they learned in grade school?</p>
<p>2)How many use anything they learned in High School?</p>
<p>3)How many had to forget everything they ever learned in school as soon as they entered the workforce? (excepting the reading, writing, and arithmetic)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sansbury</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90409</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Sansbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this a public school, or a state school? Dvorak says in his article, but it doesn&#039;t say in the original.

This wouldn&#039;t surprise me in one of those rich kid public schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this a public school, or a state school? Dvorak says in his article, but it doesn&#8217;t say in the original.</p>
<p>This wouldn&#8217;t surprise me in one of those rich kid public schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it sinister, but it&#039;s certainly a misguided practice in schools these days that are wasting more and more time coddling the precious sensitivities of children at the expense of education.  Life isn&#039;t fair (as the saying goes) and it certainly doesn&#039;t care if their feelings get hurt along the way -- there&#039;s no reason to shelter them to the point were they don&#039;t learn to deal with it.

This is just like the drive to do away with using red ink to grade papers because it supposedly hurts the poor kids&#039; self-esteem.

Most of these overly idealistic college kids are in for a rude awakening once they leave the protective bubbles of acedemia too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it sinister, but it&#8217;s certainly a misguided practice in schools these days that are wasting more and more time coddling the precious sensitivities of children at the expense of education.  Life isn&#8217;t fair (as the saying goes) and it certainly doesn&#8217;t care if their feelings get hurt along the way &#8212; there&#8217;s no reason to shelter them to the point were they don&#8217;t learn to deal with it.</p>
<p>This is just like the drive to do away with using red ink to grade papers because it supposedly hurts the poor kids&#8217; self-esteem.</p>
<p>Most of these overly idealistic college kids are in for a rude awakening once they leave the protective bubbles of acedemia too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>next they will want to give them the answers so that they will never know the shame of being wrong LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>next they will want to give them the answers so that they will never know the shame of being wrong LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t as bad as it&#039;s made out to be. While banning may be extreme, all it&#039;s doing is allowing the teacher to pick a student without all the &quot;ooh, ohh, pick me, pick me&quot; nonsense. My understanding is that the &quot;Phone a Friend&quot; is similar to the &quot;Who Wants to Be a Millionaire&quot; thing, wherein a student who was called upon who didn&#039;t know the answer can pick another student to help. What&#039;s so sinister about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t as bad as it&#8217;s made out to be. While banning may be extreme, all it&#8217;s doing is allowing the teacher to pick a student without all the &#8220;ooh, ohh, pick me, pick me&#8221; nonsense. My understanding is that the &#8220;Phone a Friend&#8221; is similar to the &#8220;Who Wants to Be a Millionaire&#8221; thing, wherein a student who was called upon who didn&#8217;t know the answer can pick another student to help. What&#8217;s so sinister about that?</p>
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		<title>By: gquaglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>gquaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for Europe being the model of the perfect society as some in this country think it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for Europe being the model of the perfect society as some in this country think it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/01/31/more-public-education-lunacy-london-school-bans-raising-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-90325</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world needs ditch diggers.  Looks like we&#039;ll be importing them from the UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world needs ditch diggers.  Looks like we&#8217;ll be importing them from the UK</p>
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