Comments on: Incredible: Japan to ban second hand sales of electronics to force sales of new merchandise http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Donald http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-97223 Donald Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-97223 Japan has a similar law on cars that's been around for awhile to encourage the sale of new cars that are safer with better technology by jacking up the insurance rates when the cars turn some certain age I think at 5 years old, and yet again when it turns 10. Japan has a similar law on cars that’s been around for awhile to encourage the sale of new cars that are safer with better technology by jacking up the insurance rates when the cars turn some certain age I think at 5 years old, and yet again when it turns 10.

]]> By: Chris http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-97093 Chris Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:54:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-97093 Just plain stupid....being able to sell your old equipment is an impetus to buy new. As someone who is generally too lazy to sell his old stuff, I would never be impacted by this...but the idea just seems ludicrous to me. Just plain stupid….being able to sell your old equipment is an impetus to buy new. As someone who is generally too lazy to sell his old stuff, I would never be impacted by this…but the idea just seems ludicrous to me.

]]> By: AB CD http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-97070 AB CD Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:36:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-97070 >more about protecting our environment You mean by preventing legitimate recycling? >more about protecting our environment

You mean by preventing legitimate recycling?

]]> By: George Lien http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96989 George Lien Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:05:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96989 I think this will soon happen in Europe, later North America, then back to Asia. It's more about protecting our environment than simply helping manufacturers sell more products. I think this will soon happen in Europe, later North America, then back to Asia.

It’s more about protecting our environment than simply helping manufacturers sell more products.

]]> By: Frank IBC http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96942 Frank IBC Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:23:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96942 Japan also makes it very hard to keep cars for more than a few years, through an ornerous inspection program. Once no one in Japan can by them, they are shippped abroad for sale. Japan also makes it very hard to keep cars for more than a few years, through an ornerous inspection program. Once no one in Japan can by them, they are shippped abroad for sale.

]]> By: Sam Eaton http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96905 Sam Eaton Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:52:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96905 Japan was doing this on cars in the mid 1970s when I was stationed at Atsugi. So what is new? This is the way Japan operates. Japan was doing this on cars in the mid 1970s when I was stationed at Atsugi. So what is new? This is the way Japan operates.

]]> By: Benson Low http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96899 Benson Low Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:43:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96899 There goes ebay japan. There goes ebay japan.

]]> By: Dan Collins http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96874 Dan Collins Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:17:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96874 I wonder if Japan has some form of Yahoo's Freecycle.You could give away these products that SONY wants you to throw away.Boing boing tells a little more about how the car companies in Japan came up with this ripoff.Check it out. I guess Toyota and Honda aren't the forward thinking corp.citizens we think they are. I wonder if Japan has some form of Yahoo’s Freecycle.You could give away these products that SONY wants you to throw away.Boing boing tells a little more about how the car companies in Japan came up with this ripoff.Check it out. I guess Toyota and Honda aren’t the forward thinking corp.citizens we think they are.

]]> By: Jetfire http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96862 Jetfire Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:26:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96862 I wonder how this will affect the new item market too and could actually backfire. I talked to people who know people in Japan. They say a lot of Japanese don't keep things long like 6 month and go buy the newest thing on the block. Now I’m safe in guessing that they sell the old thing to help pay for the new one. So now they can’t get top dollar (if any) anymore from their used item means they have less money for a new one. So instead of buying something every 6 months they will buy something every 2 years. This sounds like the RIAA to me. I wonder how this will affect the new item market too and could actually backfire. I talked to people who know people in Japan. They say a lot of Japanese don’t keep things long like 6 month and go buy the newest thing on the block. Now I’m safe in guessing that they sell the old thing to help pay for the new one. So now they can’t get top dollar (if any) anymore from their used item means they have less money for a new one. So instead of buying something every 6 months they will buy something every 2 years.

This sounds like the RIAA to me.

]]> By: morram http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96849 morram Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:33:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96849 Gee whiz go figure.. First, we get all the devices that still copy or produce on their own off the resale market. Now we sell them new stuff that cannot be used to defeat our copy protection. (See SONY run) Then we make BIG YEN! Same thing has been going on here (USA). One thing that jerked me was the place I live (Sacramento), pushing the cost of remodeling permits up by 300% to "encourage" us to buy new houses instead of improving those we live in. Gee whiz go figure..
First, we get all the devices that still copy or produce on their own off the resale market.
Now we sell them new stuff that cannot be used to defeat our copy protection. (See SONY run)
Then we make BIG YEN!

Same thing has been going on here (USA).
One thing that jerked me was the place I live (Sacramento), pushing the cost of remodeling permits up by 300% to “encourage” us to buy new houses instead of improving those we live in.

]]> By: Luís Camacho http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96845 Luís Camacho Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:28:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96845 Laughable! I always said Japan is a country of silly people. Laughable! I always said Japan is a country of silly people.

]]> By: Don http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96843 Don Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:22:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96843 Get out! Man, talk about criminalizing a population. How is this enforcable? Selective punishment? Arbitrarily bust a few people and ruin their lives? The RIAA has to be drooling. Get out! Man, talk about criminalizing a population. How is this enforcable? Selective punishment? Arbitrarily bust a few people and ruin their lives? The RIAA has to be drooling.

]]> By: Mike Voice http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96832 Mike Voice Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:49:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96832 Sounds like a job for the Yakuza! This should work about as well as Prohibition in the US [and - arguably - the "War on Drugs"]. If there is a demand for items, a market will develop to meet that demand. A law won't eliminate the market, just drive it "under-ground". You would have to eliminate the demand, to kill the market. Sounds like a job for the Yakuza!

This should work about as well as Prohibition in the US [and - arguably - the "War on Drugs"].

If there is a demand for items, a market will develop to meet that demand. A law won’t eliminate the market, just drive it “under-ground”.

You would have to eliminate the demand, to kill the market.

]]> By: Elvis Ripley http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96827 Elvis Ripley Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:32:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96827 What about collectors items like a Famicom or some one of a kind rice cooker from the 70's? Does this law apply to things other than a used TV? What about collectors items like a Famicom or some one of a kind rice cooker from the 70′s? Does this law apply to things other than a used TV?

]]> By: Paul http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/02/22/japan-to-ban-second-hand-sales-of-electronics-to-force-sales-of-new-merchandise/comment-page-1/#comment-96822 Paul Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:04:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4351#comment-96822 Aldous Huxley unavailable for comment. Buy! Buy! Buy! Aldous Huxley unavailable for comment.

Buy! Buy! Buy!

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