Comments on: New law would make it illegal for anyone to discuss government surveillance programs, including the press! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:27:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103478 Allen Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:57:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103478 How about meta-stories? Will it be illegal to publish an article about how it's illegal to publish an article about theoretical wire-tapping systems the existence of which the article neither confirms nor denies? How about meta-stories? Will it be illegal to publish an article about how it’s illegal to publish an article about theoretical wire-tapping systems the existence of which the article neither confirms nor denies?

]]> By: Sean http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103470 Sean Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:17:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103470 I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Even if the bill doesn't become law, it's simply astonishing that the whole idea would even be considered. I'm just amazed at how the last 6 years have played out, and how very few people are putting all the puzzle pieces together, and seeing where this is headed. And to the first commenter, saying that Americans don't care, I think it's more like most Americans are too busy working three jobs and supporting their family to have the time or energy for much else. That's just how the "man" wants it. War is Peace… Freedom is Slavery… Ignorance is Strength… I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Even if the bill doesn’t become law, it’s simply astonishing that the whole idea would even be considered.

I’m just amazed at how the last 6 years have played out, and how very few people are putting all the puzzle pieces together, and seeing where this is headed.

And to the first commenter, saying that Americans don’t care, I think it’s more like most Americans are too busy working three jobs and supporting their family to have the time or energy for much else. That’s just how the “man” wants it.

War is Peace… Freedom is Slavery… Ignorance is Strength…

]]> By: Joe http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103446 Joe Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:16:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103446 Sometimes I think the government has so many laws so they can arrest anyone at any time they want to. Lets face it, law abiding citizens don't exist because it is impossible to follow all the laws. Sometimes I think the government has so many laws so they can arrest anyone at any time they want to. Lets face it, law abiding citizens don’t exist because it is impossible to follow all the laws.

]]> By: joshua http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103185 joshua Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:00:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103185 not sure what this is Numlock......but it's starting to sound more like one of those Yahoo *discussion* forums everyday. not sure what this is Numlock……but it’s starting to sound more like one of those Yahoo *discussion* forums everyday.

]]> By: NumLock http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103176 NumLock Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:39:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103176 What is this, Kos? What is this, Kos?

]]> By: Mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103173 Mark Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:52:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103173 Cheer up! We're living though history. In a decade or so, with a little luck, we'll be able to tell our kids that we were around during the most disastrous presidency in the history of the country! Cheer up! We’re living though history. In a decade or so, with a little luck, we’ll be able to tell our kids that we were around during the most disastrous presidency in the history of the country!

]]> By: name http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103161 name Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:56:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103161 I always thought that the new china had all the facets our leaders would love... A "free" market economy (read: corporate and state power merger) and a one party political rule with a "constitution" that can be as vague as the patriot act. It's a technocrat's wet dream! I always thought that WW2 was fought to free the allies from the evil corporate / facists that were in control of Germany, and give power back to the nation of shopkeepers... I guess the facists won... I always thought that the new china had all the facets our leaders would love… A “free” market economy (read: corporate and state power merger) and a one party political rule with a “constitution” that can be as vague as the patriot act. It’s a technocrat’s wet dream!

I always thought that WW2 was fought to free the allies from the evil corporate / facists that were in control of Germany, and give power back to the nation of shopkeepers… I guess the facists won…

]]> By: rlj_!51 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103157 rlj_!51 Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:46:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103157 In response to Lavi in post 23, come on up. We have 2 basics rules. Leave your handguns at the border and it is pronounced about, not aboot. :) In response to Lavi in post 23, come on up. We have 2 basics rules. Leave your handguns at the border and it is pronounced about, not aboot. :)

]]> By: Lavi http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103095 Lavi Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:31:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103095 How is this different from China? America's lawmakers are perhaps realizing that Chinese rules WORK better??!!?? That's why America wants to make similar laws. At least China will give an upfront answer, Yes or No to its people. Well, Americans don't care anyway, so, it's cool! America, the land of the free, "not caring" their basic freedoms away. And what's gonna happen in a few hundred years? All the Chinese will go back to China, the Indians will go back to India, the Mexicans will go back to Mexico, whats gonna happen to Americans? They are already fast becoming the imigrants in other countries. Will Americans become the new Sand Jockeys, or Towel Heads, or Wetbacks? Will Canada be trying to keep out Americans with their fences along their borders? Will Canadian minutemen be kicking American ass when they try to illegally cross the border? Nobody knows, but time will tell. I am very familliar with the situation in South East Asia. Americans(and some europeans) there are considered imigrants. Locals despise a lot of them for stealing their jobs... Familiar tunes everywhere... How is this different from China?

America’s lawmakers are perhaps realizing that Chinese rules WORK better??!!?? That’s why America wants to make similar laws. At least China will give an upfront answer, Yes or No to its people. Well, Americans don’t care anyway, so, it’s cool!

America, the land of the free, “not caring” their basic freedoms away. And what’s gonna happen in a few hundred years? All the Chinese will go back to China, the Indians will go back to India, the Mexicans will go back to Mexico, whats gonna happen to Americans? They are already fast becoming the imigrants in other countries.

Will Americans become the new Sand Jockeys, or Towel Heads, or Wetbacks? Will Canada be trying to keep out Americans with their fences along their borders? Will Canadian minutemen be kicking American ass when they try to illegally cross the border?

Nobody knows, but time will tell.

I am very familliar with the situation in South East Asia. Americans(and some europeans) there are considered imigrants. Locals despise a lot of them for stealing their jobs… Familiar tunes everywhere…

]]> By: Howard Harawitz http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-2/#comment-103041 Howard Harawitz Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:05:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103041 Surely, after the Patriot Act passed again with hardly a wimper, nobody in the USA is surprised by a law that would make criticism of the government illegal. Surely, after the Patriot Act passed again with hardly a wimper, nobody in the USA is surprised by a law that would make criticism of the government illegal.

]]> By: Roc Rizzo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-1/#comment-103018 Roc Rizzo Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:12:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103018 So when does the Emeror get his new clothes? So when does the Emeror get his new clothes?

]]> By: Harold http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-1/#comment-103005 Harold Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:00:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-103005 Just rename the country "Saudi America." Conveniently, anyone who objects to this can be arrested. Just rename the country “Saudi America.” Conveniently, anyone who objects to this can be arrested.

]]> By: Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo® http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-1/#comment-102975 Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo® Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:30:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-102975 In comment #16, Wayne Blenek refers to ' the more teachers wll compare BUSH to various dictators '. The truth is that BUSH is the teacher and he has now taught us to compare ' various dictators ' to him, since, based on the resources at his command, he has already became the top dictator of all time. Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo® In comment #16, Wayne Blenek refers to ‘ the more teachers wll compare BUSH to various dictators ‘.

The truth is that BUSH is the teacher and he has now taught us to compare ‘ various dictators ‘ to him, since, based on the resources at his command, he has already became the top dictator of all time.

Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo®

]]> By: Mister Mustard http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-1/#comment-102974 Mister Mustard Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:28:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-102974 >>Anyone still think BUSH isn’t crooked? Uh, I wouldn't be surprised. The same guys and gals who think Saddam DID have WMDs and it was Iraquis who hijacked the 9/11 planes.... After all, Fox "news" still has a lot of viewers. >>Anyone still think BUSH isn’t crooked?

Uh, I wouldn’t be surprised. The same guys and gals who think Saddam DID have WMDs and it was Iraquis who hijacked the 9/11 planes….

After all, Fox “news” still has a lot of viewers.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/14/new-law-would-make-it-illegal-for-anyone-to-discuss-government-surveillance-programs-including-the-press/comment-page-1/#comment-102973 Mr. Fusion Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:23:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4579#comment-102973 <i>I’m sure we are all glad the NSA program was leaked. But these leaks have other consequences. The CIA director was complaining about other countries saying “Why can’t you Yanks keep a secret?”. </i> Because the leaks have to do with obeying the LAW. The NSA wiretapping is wrong, and illegal. The Rendition of foreign nationals is also wrong and illegal. The torture of prisoners is also wrong and illegal. The imprisonment of foreigners, without charge, for years, is wrong and illegal. There can be no comparison between breaking the law by committing these acts and the reporting of them. Reporting an illegal activity can never be wrong. The countries complaining that the US can't keep a secret must be those Bush admires and tries to emulate, like Russia, Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Libya. True democracies are strong enough to withstand scrutiny. I’m sure we are all glad the NSA program was leaked. But these leaks have other consequences. The CIA director was complaining about other countries saying “Why can’t you Yanks keep a secret?”.

Because the leaks have to do with obeying the LAW. The NSA wiretapping is wrong, and illegal. The Rendition of foreign nationals is also wrong and illegal. The torture of prisoners is also wrong and illegal. The imprisonment of foreigners, without charge, for years, is wrong and illegal. There can be no comparison between breaking the law by committing these acts and the reporting of them. Reporting an illegal activity can never be wrong.

The countries complaining that the US can’t keep a secret must be those Bush admires and tries to emulate, like Russia, Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Libya. True democracies are strong enough to withstand scrutiny.

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