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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Baa, Baa, Black Sheep&#8221; Now Deemed Offensive</title>
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		<title>By: BOB G</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107990</link>
		<dc:creator>BOB G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan went from a nation cosantly at war with itys naibors for a thousand years. two realitvly small bombs got there minds right. We no longer have the balls to use the big guns. My dad always said never aim a gun unless you intend to use it </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan went from a nation cosantly at war with itys naibors for a thousand years. two realitvly small bombs got there minds right. We no longer have the balls to use the big guns. My dad always said never aim a gun unless you intend to use it</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107681</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real point of this story is that people who promote PC in any form are ready for graduation day at idiot school because they&#039;ve become &quot;complete&quot;.  

PC does nothing but dilute the language, it does not change ideas.  30 years ago you would call someone &quot;retarded&quot; to insult them. Now you can call them &quot;special&quot; to accomplish the same thing.  The insult and the feeling behind it is the same.  Those who think PC accomplishes anything useful are &quot;special&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real point of this story is that people who promote PC in any form are ready for graduation day at idiot school because they&#8217;ve become &#8220;complete&#8221;.  </p>
<p>PC does nothing but dilute the language, it does not change ideas.  30 years ago you would call someone &#8220;retarded&#8221; to insult them. Now you can call them &#8220;special&#8221; to accomplish the same thing.  The insult and the feeling behind it is the same.  Those who think PC accomplishes anything useful are &#8220;special&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107670</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Liberals are more likely to impose PC than Conservatives.

You&#039;re right.  Liberals are more likely to call a short person &quot;vertically challenged&quot;, or to call Black people &quot;African Americans&quot; even if they&#039;re from France or Spain.

What the neocons do is significantly more malignant than imposing political correctness standards -- it&#039;s LYING.  Through their teeth.  See the history of War Hero Bush&#039;s involvement in Iraq for a shining example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Liberals are more likely to impose PC than Conservatives.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right.  Liberals are more likely to call a short person &#8220;vertically challenged&#8221;, or to call Black people &#8220;African Americans&#8221; even if they&#8217;re from France or Spain.</p>
<p>What the neocons do is significantly more malignant than imposing political correctness standards &#8212; it&#8217;s LYING.  Through their teeth.  See the history of War Hero Bush&#8217;s involvement in Iraq for a shining example.</p>
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		<title>By: PteroCat</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107615</link>
		<dc:creator>PteroCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the King&#039;s horses and all the King&#039;s men
Had scrambled eggs for breakfast again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall<br />
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall<br />
All the King&#8217;s horses and all the King&#8217;s men<br />
Had scrambled eggs for breakfast again</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107493</link>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok Mr. Fusion.....it may not have meant to be but that was great sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok Mr. Fusion&#8230;..it may not have meant to be but that was great sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107485</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gquaglia 

That was just a dig at paul. If I was serious, then I would have called him King George the Worst and maybe quoted some of his actual re-writings or re-interpretations of history. It was just in fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gquaglia </p>
<p>That was just a dig at paul. If I was serious, then I would have called him King George the Worst and maybe quoted some of his actual re-writings or re-interpretations of history. It was just in fun.</p>
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		<title>By: gquaglia</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107454</link>
		<dc:creator>gquaglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What??  Mr Fusion, what the fuck are talking about, Bush is trying to change history?  I didn&#039;t know he was responsible for changing the words to ba ba black sheep.  Didn&#039;t see that in the post.  Liberals are more likely to impose PC than Conservatives.
I love how you Bush haters feel the need to insert him into every post as the cause of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What??  Mr Fusion, what the fuck are talking about, Bush is trying to change history?  I didn&#8217;t know he was responsible for changing the words to ba ba black sheep.  Didn&#8217;t see that in the post.  Liberals are more likely to impose PC than Conservatives.<br />
I love how you Bush haters feel the need to insert him into every post as the cause of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-2/#comment-107441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me

Yes, you are very offensive !!!


Almost everyone here has missed the point. This not about a war in Iraq or killing civilians or 3000 dead. It is about a NURSERY RHYME. Most of the common nursery rhymes we hear today have some history to them, some so obscure that they have been lost in time.

Ring Around the Rosie is a rhyme about the black death. 

London Bridge is Falling Down, is based on a true story about, yup, London Bridge falling down. 

Humpty Dumpty is about a huge cannon that fell over after being hit by another cannon shot during the English Civil War.

Little Miss Muffet is based upon a true story of a little girl who&#039;s father studied bugs in the 1600s.

Mary Mary Quite Contrary is about “Bloody Mary”, Queen of England who executed hundreds of people for continuing their Protestant faith. The silver bells and cockleshells were the instruments of torture used before their heads were lopped off.

And Baa Baa Black Sheep is about taxation.

The moral of the story is Bush wants to rewrite history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me</p>
<p>Yes, you are very offensive !!!</p>
<p>Almost everyone here has missed the point. This not about a war in Iraq or killing civilians or 3000 dead. It is about a NURSERY RHYME. Most of the common nursery rhymes we hear today have some history to them, some so obscure that they have been lost in time.</p>
<p>Ring Around the Rosie is a rhyme about the black death. </p>
<p>London Bridge is Falling Down, is based on a true story about, yup, London Bridge falling down. </p>
<p>Humpty Dumpty is about a huge cannon that fell over after being hit by another cannon shot during the English Civil War.</p>
<p>Little Miss Muffet is based upon a true story of a little girl who&#8217;s father studied bugs in the 1600s.</p>
<p>Mary Mary Quite Contrary is about “Bloody Mary”, Queen of England who executed hundreds of people for continuing their Protestant faith. The silver bells and cockleshells were the instruments of torture used before their heads were lopped off.</p>
<p>And Baa Baa Black Sheep is about taxation.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is Bush wants to rewrite history.</p>
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		<title>By: moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, joshua -- Military History is a very much part of my life.  Yes, Americans celebrated in the streets, here in the US on VJ Day.  But, within a year or two it became pretty clear that Hiroshima [and to a lesser extent Nagasaki] were essentially civilian targets.  

That&#039;s what I was referring to up above.  Nothing new about the &quot;good guys&quot; killing civilians for military reasons.  I happen to think they&#039;re wrong.  I offer no forgiveness for Japanese atrocities during that war.  

I recognize the courage required among Japanese veterans -- even after all these years -- to go back to China and help remove and dismantle WMD buried and left behind when they surrendered.  Their government opposes such behavior!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, joshua &#8212; Military History is a very much part of my life.  Yes, Americans celebrated in the streets, here in the US on VJ Day.  But, within a year or two it became pretty clear that Hiroshima [and to a lesser extent Nagasaki] were essentially civilian targets.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I was referring to up above.  Nothing new about the &#8220;good guys&#8221; killing civilians for military reasons.  I happen to think they&#8217;re wrong.  I offer no forgiveness for Japanese atrocities during that war.  </p>
<p>I recognize the courage required among Japanese veterans &#8212; even after all these years &#8212; to go back to China and help remove and dismantle WMD buried and left behind when they surrendered.  Their government opposes such behavior!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce IV</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm ... especially weird about this whole thing is that the black sheep actually applied to black SHEEP ... I&#039;d like to ask the PC people how black sheep can make anyone feel uncomfortable - and its teaching the little kids bad science besides - who&#039;s ever heard of a rainbow sheep?!? What on earth does wool and taxes have to do with ethnicity? What&#039;s next - Jack and Jill walked back down the hill? Or Jane and Jill? Or wait - they sent their personal robot slave up the hill for water because they didn&#039;t believe in physical labor ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm &#8230; especially weird about this whole thing is that the black sheep actually applied to black SHEEP &#8230; I&#8217;d like to ask the PC people how black sheep can make anyone feel uncomfortable &#8211; and its teaching the little kids bad science besides &#8211; who&#8217;s ever heard of a rainbow sheep?!? What on earth does wool and taxes have to do with ethnicity? What&#8217;s next &#8211; Jack and Jill walked back down the hill? Or Jane and Jill? Or wait &#8211; they sent their personal robot slave up the hill for water because they didn&#8217;t believe in physical labor &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: J_my_ear</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-107422</link>
		<dc:creator>J_my_ear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PC is the steady decline of individual freedom, it&#039;s so hypocritical that in our age we should be aware of every one&#039;s heritage equally but never promote that anyone is different. Why can&#039;t the teachers teach the students that: Black wool was worth less money because you could dye it, black sheep produce as much wool as white sheep, and both colors of sheep get molested by hillbillies. Sorry, &quot;I meant People of the hills not necessarily named Billy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PC is the steady decline of individual freedom, it&#8217;s so hypocritical that in our age we should be aware of every one&#8217;s heritage equally but never promote that anyone is different. Why can&#8217;t the teachers teach the students that: Black wool was worth less money because you could dye it, black sheep produce as much wool as white sheep, and both colors of sheep get molested by hillbillies. Sorry, &#8220;I meant People of the hills not necessarily named Billy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/03/23/baa-baa-black-sheep-now-deemed-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-107404</link>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this story.....you guys remember it.....the reason for the post?  This story has turned out to be not as sensational as first glance made it out to be.  The schools in question were private, for profit run nursury schools, not state run.  And it was only a suggestion by the owners to try to make intolerance less a factor in the schools.  Most of the schools run by the company did not go with what these 2 particular schools did, and in fact several of the other company run school heads thought it was a bit much.
PC is running amok, and it never ceases to amaze me that people put up with it.  All you have to do is vote with your pocket book......don&#039;t buy anything from companies that try to be everything to everybody.  

I don&#039;t think that we need to go out of our way to offend anyone.  But at the same time, I think the *victim* mentality is becoming so pervasive that you can&#039;t publicly say anything any more without offending someone or something.

Today I read that city of St. Paul employees were ordered to take down  their easter bunny&#039;s and eggs because that may offend non-christians.  I read yesterday that a radio sports show host in St. Louis was fired on-air for a slip of the tongue, he was praising Condi Rice and her love of football and used the word *coon* instead of *coup* and was fired on-air for making a horrificly disparaging remark that offended blacks.  What happened to fairness?  The guy didn&#039;t mean to say it, slap his wrist and accept his apology(which he gave instantly after saying the word as he realized he said the wrong word) and get on with life.  After all, the most senior Democrat in the Senate was a KKK member for years, but no one holds that against him anymore.

And Moss.....one sided history is nice, but not correct.  The Japanese weren&#039;t sitting at home knitting stockings, they had been killing hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of Chinese, Filapino&#039;s, and others prior to the H bomb.  Al Quida wasn&#039;t just killing military members, they were killing civilians, 3000 here, a couple hundred in Indonesia, a couple hundred more in Madrid, etc., etc......do you think we just decided to go kill civilians for the fun of it?  Being anti-war is not a terrible thing, but being blind to reality is.  What would you have us do when a terror group attacks civilians and kills 3000 innocent people in our country?   Maybe I&#039;m a war monger, and a bad christian, because I don&#039;t believe we could turn the other cheek.
I agree with you that we didn&#039;t need to go into Iraq, but we are there and we need to clean up our mess.  I don&#039;t condone everything that our troops do, if they killed civilians without provocation they should be held accountable, but civilian deaths in war is unavoidable, and thats just a fact.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this story&#8230;..you guys remember it&#8230;..the reason for the post?  This story has turned out to be not as sensational as first glance made it out to be.  The schools in question were private, for profit run nursury schools, not state run.  And it was only a suggestion by the owners to try to make intolerance less a factor in the schools.  Most of the schools run by the company did not go with what these 2 particular schools did, and in fact several of the other company run school heads thought it was a bit much.<br />
PC is running amok, and it never ceases to amaze me that people put up with it.  All you have to do is vote with your pocket book&#8230;&#8230;don&#8217;t buy anything from companies that try to be everything to everybody.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that we need to go out of our way to offend anyone.  But at the same time, I think the *victim* mentality is becoming so pervasive that you can&#8217;t publicly say anything any more without offending someone or something.</p>
<p>Today I read that city of St. Paul employees were ordered to take down  their easter bunny&#8217;s and eggs because that may offend non-christians.  I read yesterday that a radio sports show host in St. Louis was fired on-air for a slip of the tongue, he was praising Condi Rice and her love of football and used the word *coon* instead of *coup* and was fired on-air for making a horrificly disparaging remark that offended blacks.  What happened to fairness?  The guy didn&#8217;t mean to say it, slap his wrist and accept his apology(which he gave instantly after saying the word as he realized he said the wrong word) and get on with life.  After all, the most senior Democrat in the Senate was a KKK member for years, but no one holds that against him anymore.</p>
<p>And Moss&#8230;..one sided history is nice, but not correct.  The Japanese weren&#8217;t sitting at home knitting stockings, they had been killing hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of Chinese, Filapino&#8217;s, and others prior to the H bomb.  Al Quida wasn&#8217;t just killing military members, they were killing civilians, 3000 here, a couple hundred in Indonesia, a couple hundred more in Madrid, etc., etc&#8230;&#8230;do you think we just decided to go kill civilians for the fun of it?  Being anti-war is not a terrible thing, but being blind to reality is.  What would you have us do when a terror group attacks civilians and kills 3000 innocent people in our country?   Maybe I&#8217;m a war monger, and a bad christian, because I don&#8217;t believe we could turn the other cheek.<br />
I agree with you that we didn&#8217;t need to go into Iraq, but we are there and we need to clean up our mess.  I don&#8217;t condone everything that our troops do, if they killed civilians without provocation they should be held accountable, but civilian deaths in war is unavoidable, and thats just a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have fun,
Go read the Grim fairy tales, BEFORE we edited them...
Cinderella ISNT a nice story..
The princess and the Frog..
ALl have been Nutured</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have fun,<br />
Go read the Grim fairy tales, BEFORE we edited them&#8230;<br />
Cinderella ISNT a nice story..<br />
The princess and the Frog..<br />
ALl have been Nutured</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;but then again we may have been over run by terrorists as 
&gt;&gt;well so who knows

If we ever DO get over run by terrorists, it will be because War Hero Bush turned Iraq, with its tinhorn dictator and squabbling factions, into an incubator for Al Qaeda, churning out more terrorists every day than Osama and his dialysis machine used to be able to in a year.

And all the Iraqis (those who are still alive) got to show for it was a civil war.

And calling John Kerry a FLIP-FLOPPER!!!!!  HAW HAW HAW HAW!  Compared to whom?  The Flip-Flopper-In-Chief???????  HAW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;but then again we may have been over run by terrorists as<br />
&gt;&gt;well so who knows</p>
<p>If we ever DO get over run by terrorists, it will be because War Hero Bush turned Iraq, with its tinhorn dictator and squabbling factions, into an incubator for Al Qaeda, churning out more terrorists every day than Osama and his dialysis machine used to be able to in a year.</p>
<p>And all the Iraqis (those who are still alive) got to show for it was a civil war.</p>
<p>And calling John Kerry a FLIP-FLOPPER!!!!!  HAW HAW HAW HAW!  Compared to whom?  The Flip-Flopper-In-Chief???????  HAW!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mac, that seriously screws up the meter of the song.  Now I want to go kill something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mac, that seriously screws up the meter of the song.  Now I want to go kill something.</p>
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