No easy answers on immigration conundrum — Points well-taken. Who needs health insurance if you are an undocumented alien? An interesting half-serious essay.
Here’s my immigration “compromise”: We need to regularize the situation of the 298 million non-undocumented residents of the United States. Right now, we get a lousy deal compared with the 15 million fine upstanding members of the Undocumented American community. I think the 298 million of us in the overdocumented segment of the population should get the chance to be undocumented. You know when President Bush talks about all those undocumented people “living in the shadows”? Doesn’t that sound kinda nice? Living in the shadows, no government agencies harassing you for taxes and numbers and paperwork.
found by Pat McEntee
>Also ask the Mexican government what they do with illegal >Guatemalans coming across their southern border? Trust me >it is alot tighter than the northern border.
It sounds like you read a posting of mine from a couple of days ago. I was on a bus coming from Guatemala, going to Chiapas Mexico. At a machine gun checkpoint, soldiers came aboard the bus and dragged off a couple who were ‘undocumented’ . They didn’t escort them off, they dragged them off.
I’m also wondering who is financing all these large rallys? Senor and Senora Sin Documento? I don’t think so, not if they’re making less than minimum wage. I suspect some big money behind those demonstrations. It must cost $10′s of thousands to organize the demonstration ,buy the flags, buy the signs, etc. Multiply that times the dozen or more big ones that have occurred in the last week, and you’ve got hundreds of thousands spent. Corporate America protecting their cheap labor source?
I’m also wondering who is financing all these large rallys?
I was wondering the same thing…
My sick sense of humor also had me wondering what would happen at any of these large demonstrations if INS showed-up and started doing random checks for illegals…
Under present laws employer’s are only required to ask for paperwork. They do not *have* to verify it. Under the bill just passed by the House, they would be *required* to send the info to a data bank for clearance or face very large fines, per illegal.
In Arizona, I can personally take you to 11 offices that will seel you all the papers you need to get a job and work here if you are illegal for 1000.00 per person. I have only been in the Bay area for 7 months and I can take you to 2 such places.
The IRS has a program, that is just for illegals working here. You contact them and they give you an ID number, they never ask for or want your name or any personal info. With the number you can then give it to an emplorer and your federal taxes will be applied to that number. This allows you upon reaching retirement age, to apply for Social Security and recieve a check, just like any citizen employee. Amazingly enough, a lot of illegals are in the program.
Here, and all over California and I hear also in Washington state and Oregon, and other places they have *sanctuary* cities. In those cities and towns, no illegal will be arrested just for being illegal. No cooperation is given to the INS or any other federal agency that might want to round up and deport illegals just for being illegal.
As to the *they do the jobs Americans won’t do* bullshit. It’s just that. Ask the 4000 unemployed members of the carpenters union in Arizona if they would like to work, since their jobs have gone to illegals who work for 10.00 an hour, with minimal or no benifits instead of what used to be the going union rate of 18.00, plus all the usual benifits.
Or maybe you could ask the over 6000 meat cutters and packers in Iowa, and Kansas and Arkansas that are unemployed because the illegals now have their jobs at less than half what the old U.S. citizens got. It’s the same all over the country, not just in the west and southwest anymore. It’s this way in Georgia, Maryland, New Hampshire, Massuchusetts, Illinois, Indiana, all over.
It used to be just the resturants and lawn mowing and fast food, or agriculture, but not for the last 5 or 6 years.
No amnesty, or any other citizen type program can be done until the border is closed. A wall, electronic and cement and everyother means at their disposal must be built to stop or almost stop the crossings. Then and only then can we begin to think about what to do with 11 million illegals that are already here. In 1986 they Reagan gave amnesty without staunching the flow of illegals, which at that time was approximatly 100 to 200 thousand a year. As soon as word spread of the amnesty, the flow has gone dramatically upwards until now it’s very close to 1 million a year, not the 500 thousand the goverment claims.
Mexico would collapse if they couldn’t send these people north. The system there isn’t meant for the lower classes to make a living. The 300 families that control 83% of the wealth of Mexico(Vincente Fox is one of them) have repressed their own people for 200 years. They are allowing the poorest of the poor, and the most uneducated of the illiterate to run the border, to keep a lid on disent and possible revolution. Once, the illegals were more educated and had some skills, but now it’s primarily the Indians of central and south central Mexico that are coming north. They have historically been the bottom of the totum pole in Mexico as far as jobs, and education go.
This June, I think is a Presidntial election in Mexico, and the leftest candidate, the former Mayor of Mexico City is leading all the polls. I am blank on his name, but both of the old parties, the PAN and the PRI are running scared. This could be the Hugo Chavez of Mexico.
I like what Kennedy and McCain have agreed to….but I also like the House bill…..a combination of them is the only way to go IMHO.
#20…Rus…..apparently what happened was, the hispanic radio and television people and the Hispanic groups realized that millions of Americans, including legal Hispanics were appalled by the huge numbers of Mexican and other South and Central American flags but a noticable lack of American flags. They realized this could be a disaster for them. So, they started telling the people who are going to dmonstrate to wave American flags, this was put out on the Hispanic radio and Spanish language news papers this past week.
As to who is bank rolling them…..look no further than George Soro’s and 2 or 3 other uber Liberal billionaires. There probably is a lot of secret corprote money in there as well.
#2
“All the while I was wishing she was a Cuban baseball player with a great hanging curve ball — she would have been here in two weeks!”
Classic!
#13
“Don’t say you can’t enforce the laws because you can if you want to!
People use to say we couldn’t go into space but that didn’t stop us, we did it!”
Yep, I completely agree. If the law enforcement agencies really put their minds to it, I’m sure it could be done.
#19
“I still say, make hiring an illegal immigrant a felony and being illegal a felony. Any children born in the US will become wards of the state if …
deported, that alien could never again be allowed into the US, even to visit, without a sponsor and sizable cash surety.”
I also agree with that. It seems most employers that hire illegals consider it a risk worth taking. Save a lot of money, and get a slap on the wrist if caught. Now make it a felony, and I’m sure that will change. Employers would stop hiring illegals, and with no jobs available, they would stop coming.
There was a time when I would say, “Screw it! Let all come over!” I mean, I hate to see people suffering, and some people that start out illegal actually become a credit to American society.
But it seems our resources in this country are starting to get stretched a bit too thin. When you have plenty to share, you should share it. When you have a little to share, you should share a little. But it’s getting to the point that we don’t have anything left to share.
#21 – Yes, I do remember that post now that you mention it but also I have been to Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Brasil, and other countries south of the border several times and they weren’t tourist destinations. I have witnessed/experienced many things down there that I don’t want to experience here in the US. I will add I have also met a lot of nice people in these countries so don’t anyone get me wrong.