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	<title>Comments on: The Obese Don&#8217;t Know They&#8217;re Obese?  Give Me a Break</title>
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		<title>By: ballookey</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122957</link>
		<dc:creator>ballookey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, you guys are a bunch of jackals. Here&#039;s a link to a photo of my thin, vegan, 162 lb friend. Maybe definitions of &quot;rail thin&quot; vary, but she&#039;s freakin&#039; thin. I know her weight because we weighed in together for an athletic challenge. Since the scale was accurate for me, I know it was accurate for her. Maybe her healthy diet means her bones are denser. Maybe her athleticism makes her muscles denser. Or here&#039;s a thought, maybe the girls you geeks *allegedly* know are lying about their weight. I have NEVER met a girl who didn&#039;t knock at least 15 to 20 lbs off her actual weight. And the way you guys go on, who can blame them? Anyway, here&#039;s the link:
http://i1.tinypic.com/v741u1.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, you guys are a bunch of jackals. Here&#8217;s a link to a photo of my thin, vegan, 162 lb friend. Maybe definitions of &#8220;rail thin&#8221; vary, but she&#8217;s freakin&#8217; thin. I know her weight because we weighed in together for an athletic challenge. Since the scale was accurate for me, I know it was accurate for her. Maybe her healthy diet means her bones are denser. Maybe her athleticism makes her muscles denser. Or here&#8217;s a thought, maybe the girls you geeks *allegedly* know are lying about their weight. I have NEVER met a girl who didn&#8217;t knock at least 15 to 20 lbs off her actual weight. And the way you guys go on, who can blame them? Anyway, here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="http://i1.tinypic.com/v741u1.jpg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://i1.tinypic.com/v741u1.jpg' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://i1.tinypic.com/v741u1.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Aren’t Tom Cruise and Michael Jordan classified as obese?

Not sure about Michael Jordan, but Tom Cruise has officially been classified as &quot;deviant&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Aren’t Tom Cruise and Michael Jordan classified as obese?</p>
<p>Not sure about Michael Jordan, but Tom Cruise has officially been classified as &#8220;deviant&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Ruden</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122450</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Ruden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a smirky thin person and I agree with the eat less, excercise more motto.  I workout about 4 times a week, either something like a 2-3 mile run of weightlifting, and I monitor what I eat.  I always look at labels to see how much saturation and trans fat I&#039;m getting, try to get a lot of protein, and I try to stay around the 2200 calorie a day recommendation.   The system works.

I have obese friends, and dare I say, they do no work out, and when they try, it&#039;s a very pathetic workout.  They eat a lot of pizza, chocolate, soda pop, and everything else that&#039;s bad for your body.  

While the eat less motto isn&#039;t exactly right- it should be eat healthier.  Sure some people have a legit physical condition that doesn&#039;t help or larger bone structure or some other rationalization like that.  I still thing the BMI is, for the most part, a good scale.  I think some of you are in denial like the rest of the obese world.  When a majority are overweight, it blurs your vision or what a normal weight person actually looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a smirky thin person and I agree with the eat less, excercise more motto.  I workout about 4 times a week, either something like a 2-3 mile run of weightlifting, and I monitor what I eat.  I always look at labels to see how much saturation and trans fat I&#8217;m getting, try to get a lot of protein, and I try to stay around the 2200 calorie a day recommendation.   The system works.</p>
<p>I have obese friends, and dare I say, they do no work out, and when they try, it&#8217;s a very pathetic workout.  They eat a lot of pizza, chocolate, soda pop, and everything else that&#8217;s bad for your body.  </p>
<p>While the eat less motto isn&#8217;t exactly right- it should be eat healthier.  Sure some people have a legit physical condition that doesn&#8217;t help or larger bone structure or some other rationalization like that.  I still thing the BMI is, for the most part, a good scale.  I think some of you are in denial like the rest of the obese world.  When a majority are overweight, it blurs your vision or what a normal weight person actually looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: GregAllen</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122265</link>
		<dc:creator>GregAllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for me... I think the dieting industry needs to be banned... or at least have warnings prominently posted on their ads and products. 

With failure rates of +95%, one can only conclude that dieting does not work. 

Not even the &quot;eat less, exercise more&quot; advice that usually comes from smirky thin people who have no personal experience with chronic fat. 

&quot;Eat less. Exercise more.&quot;  is as informed as the  &quot;Just snap out of it!&quot; advice they used to give the mentally ill. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for me&#8230; I think the dieting industry needs to be banned&#8230; or at least have warnings prominently posted on their ads and products. </p>
<p>With failure rates of +95%, one can only conclude that dieting does not work. </p>
<p>Not even the &#8220;eat less, exercise more&#8221; advice that usually comes from smirky thin people who have no personal experience with chronic fat. </p>
<p>&#8220;Eat less. Exercise more.&#8221;  is as informed as the  &#8220;Just snap out of it!&#8221; advice they used to give the mentally ill.</p>
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		<title>By: rus62</title>
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		<dc:creator>rus62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BMI test is like the BCS in college football, well actually the BCS may be more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BMI test is like the BCS in college football, well actually the BCS may be more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122137</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John Wooford:

Yes, I&#039;m a dude and yes I like my men on the chunky side so I don&#039;t fit the mainstream gay community obssesed with youth and thin chiseled bodies.

Besides, that BMI scale is just messed up and it only adds to the paranoia/myth that stick thin is beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John Wooford:</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a dude and yes I like my men on the chunky side so I don&#8217;t fit the mainstream gay community obssesed with youth and thin chiseled bodies.</p>
<p>Besides, that BMI scale is just messed up and it only adds to the paranoia/myth that stick thin is beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: AB CD</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122093</link>
		<dc:creator>AB CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t Tom Cruise and Michael Jordan classified as obese?</description>
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		<title>By: Zuke</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122086</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>189lbs @ 5&#039;7&quot;????  WTF does that look like?  The person must be about as round as they are tall.  That has to be overweight/obese  unless the person is totally muscle-bound (which is much heavier than fat).  

I&#039;d agree w/Mister Mustard in that a 162lb woman at 5&#039;8&quot; could not possibly be &#039;rail-thin&#039; unless she had close to nil body fat % and was pure muscle!  Or her head+brain was as big as a pumpkin and weighed 25lbs alone.  No freakin way.  

My GF is 5&#039;5&quot; @ 130lbs is an avid runner and she looks about average for her height @ 23% body fat measure.  Her BMI of 21.6 is smack in the middle of Normal for her height.  

I&#039;m an avid cyclist and weigh 145 @ 5&#039;9&quot;.  I would consider myself average-to-thin, but far from a bean-pole.  I have 11.5% body fat.  BMI of 21.4 is smack in the middle of Normal for my height.

BMI doesn&#039;t look all that whacked IMO...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>189lbs @ 5&#8242;7&#8243;????  WTF does that look like?  The person must be about as round as they are tall.  That has to be overweight/obese  unless the person is totally muscle-bound (which is much heavier than fat).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree w/Mister Mustard in that a 162lb woman at 5&#8242;8&#8243; could not possibly be &#8216;rail-thin&#8217; unless she had close to nil body fat % and was pure muscle!  Or her head+brain was as big as a pumpkin and weighed 25lbs alone.  No freakin way.  </p>
<p>My GF is 5&#8242;5&#8243; @ 130lbs is an avid runner and she looks about average for her height @ 23% body fat measure.  Her BMI of 21.6 is smack in the middle of Normal for her height.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an avid cyclist and weigh 145 @ 5&#8242;9&#8243;.  I would consider myself average-to-thin, but far from a bean-pole.  I have 11.5% body fat.  BMI of 21.4 is smack in the middle of Normal for my height.</p>
<p>BMI doesn&#8217;t look all that whacked IMO&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Wofford</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122076</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wofford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Hi, Angel; uh, you are a girl, right? If not then disregard.
2. Thing about genetics; some of us are genetically disposed to be thin, some of us disposed towards corpulence. I&#039;ve fought the fight against obesity all my life, sometime winning, sometimes losing. My most spectacular success was in my late thirties, I lost nearly a hundred pounds, nearly regaining my high school football playing weight. People asked me was I sick, did I have cancer, or was it AIDS? Thin people, those with the correct genetics, don&#039;t have to fight anything, can eat and drink, lay on their backsides and have a good time. These people have zero rights to comment on the physical imperfections of anyone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Hi, Angel; uh, you are a girl, right? If not then disregard.<br />
2. Thing about genetics; some of us are genetically disposed to be thin, some of us disposed towards corpulence. I&#8217;ve fought the fight against obesity all my life, sometime winning, sometimes losing. My most spectacular success was in my late thirties, I lost nearly a hundred pounds, nearly regaining my high school football playing weight. People asked me was I sick, did I have cancer, or was it AIDS? Thin people, those with the correct genetics, don&#8217;t have to fight anything, can eat and drink, lay on their backsides and have a good time. These people have zero rights to comment on the physical imperfections of anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122036</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love chubby, hairy, balding men; does that makes me a pervert?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love chubby, hairy, balding men; does that makes me a pervert?</p>
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		<title>By: andrewj</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122034</link>
		<dc:creator>andrewj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to meet a fat person that believes they&#039;re fat. The giveaway is when you spend a little time with them and hear the comments they make about other fat people.
The explanation is simple. It&#039;s the same mechanism that God uses to protect dumb people from ever knowing how dumb they are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to meet a fat person that believes they&#8217;re fat. The giveaway is when you spend a little time with them and hear the comments they make about other fat people.<br />
The explanation is simple. It&#8217;s the same mechanism that God uses to protect dumb people from ever knowing how dumb they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jetfire</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jetfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not fat. I&#039;m festively plump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not fat. I&#8217;m festively plump.</p>
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		<title>By: randmeister</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/10/the-obese-dont-know-theyre-obese-give-me-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-122010</link>
		<dc:creator>randmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1)  That thumping noise you hear is not a fat person walking; it is popular culture bludgeoning us with what &quot;beautiful&quot; should look like.  If someone looks relatively healthy or attractive, I don&#039;t care what size their pants are.  If someone is grossly overweight and has no sense of personal hygiene, that is different.

1a)  I&#039;ve GOT to lose 5 lbs by the weekend so I can get into my speedo.

1b)  Trust me, you don&#039;t want that.

2)  I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4088&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a related post&lt;/a&gt;.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)  That thumping noise you hear is not a fat person walking; it is popular culture bludgeoning us with what &#8220;beautiful&#8221; should look like.  If someone looks relatively healthy or attractive, I don&#8217;t care what size their pants are.  If someone is grossly overweight and has no sense of personal hygiene, that is different.</p>
<p>1a)  I&#8217;ve GOT to lose 5 lbs by the weekend so I can get into my speedo.</p>
<p>1b)  Trust me, you don&#8217;t want that.</p>
<p>2)  I found <a href="http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4088" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a related post</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: blank</title>
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		<dc:creator>blank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I weigh 300 pounds now. I&#039;m a disgusting fat-body. I&#039;m fat and I know it.

However, I used to weight only 150 pounds. That was the lowest weight I&#039;ve ever been in my adult life. I have pictures of when I was that weight...the weight that the BMI chart said I was in the upper-ideal weight category, almost tipping over to obese. When people look at those pictures they say I was WAY too thin. Yes, they say I&#039;m WAY too fat now, but when I was 150 I looked like a skeleton, yet I was almost overweight according to the BMI chart.

So in other words, I think the BMI chart is full of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I weigh 300 pounds now. I&#8217;m a disgusting fat-body. I&#8217;m fat and I know it.</p>
<p>However, I used to weight only 150 pounds. That was the lowest weight I&#8217;ve ever been in my adult life. I have pictures of when I was that weight&#8230;the weight that the BMI chart said I was in the upper-ideal weight category, almost tipping over to obese. When people look at those pictures they say I was WAY too thin. Yes, they say I&#8217;m WAY too fat now, but when I was 150 I looked like a skeleton, yet I was almost overweight according to the BMI chart.</p>
<p>So in other words, I think the BMI chart is full of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;One of my best friends is a rail-thin vegan girl 
&gt;&gt;about 5′8″ tall. I was astonished to learn she weighs 162 lbs.

She must have lead weights in her shoes then.  My gf is 5&quot;9&quot;, and &quot;slim&quot; (not even CLOSE to being &quot;rail thin&quot;) and she weighs about 120.  If she put on an additional 50 pounds, she would look like Santa Claus without the beard.

&gt;&gt;the scale puts modestly overweight people at “obese”, which 
&gt;&gt;is just wrong.

I&#039;m not so sure about that.  I am 6&#039;1 and 212#, which gives me a BMI of 28....&quot;overweight&quot;.  I&#039;m in pretty good shape, but I could definitely stand to drop 20 pounds.  If I got down to 188, my BMI would be </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;One of my best friends is a rail-thin vegan girl<br />
&gt;&gt;about 5′8″ tall. I was astonished to learn she weighs 162 lbs.</p>
<p>She must have lead weights in her shoes then.  My gf is 5&#8243;9&#8243;, and &#8220;slim&#8221; (not even CLOSE to being &#8220;rail thin&#8221;) and she weighs about 120.  If she put on an additional 50 pounds, she would look like Santa Claus without the beard.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;the scale puts modestly overweight people at “obese”, which<br />
&gt;&gt;is just wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about that.  I am 6&#8242;1 and 212#, which gives me a BMI of 28&#8230;.&#8221;overweight&#8221;.  I&#8217;m in pretty good shape, but I could definitely stand to drop 20 pounds.  If I got down to 188, my BMI would be</p>
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