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		<title>By: Milo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134741</link>
		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul is a poopy head!</description>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134690</link>
		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul is a poopy head, poopy head, poopy head.

Paul is a poopy head, yeah!</description>
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<p>Paul is a poopy head, yeah!</p>
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		<title>By: JoJo Dancer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134334</link>
		<dc:creator>JoJo Dancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #43, from your post, I can only assume that you did not finish your highschool education. Now I am going out on a limb here, but I ....  wait. 
Yeah that&#039;s it man. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #43, from your post, I can only assume that you did not finish your highschool education. Now I am going out on a limb here, but I &#8230;.  wait.<br />
Yeah that&#8217;s it man.</p>
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		<title>By: JoJo Dancer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134328</link>
		<dc:creator>JoJo Dancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry to let you in on the DL Paul, but my post was not meant for you to respond. I hope you can understand. I didn&#039;t realize you were so eager to see yourself on here again.

But again, you make it clear that you have nothing else on your mind but yourself. Thinking that you were expected to reply... ha!  Geez, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you created your own award of some kind already.

Just so you know, arrogance has nothing to do with confidence. Try not to get the two mixed up. I mean, I know your shoes are big and all, but lets try to find a size that actually fits you my friend.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry to let you in on the DL Paul, but my post was not meant for you to respond. I hope you can understand. I didn&#8217;t realize you were so eager to see yourself on here again.</p>
<p>But again, you make it clear that you have nothing else on your mind but yourself. Thinking that you were expected to reply&#8230; ha!  Geez, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you created your own award of some kind already.</p>
<p>Just so you know, arrogance has nothing to do with confidence. Try not to get the two mixed up. I mean, I know your shoes are big and all, but lets try to find a size that actually fits you my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134262</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Dave,

I thought the problem might be Fasterfox but after trying the default settings, Netflix still bogs when I add a film to my queue. The flash/popup shows up, takes three or four deathly slow passes and then never renders the film art. 

I&#039;ve had this same problem with sites not fully rendering their images with Firefox in the past on different machines. Sometimes a full refresh (Ctrl F5) will do the trick but I shouldn&#039;t have to be honest. 

It&#039;s a pretty close race in terms of functionality between Firefox and Maxthon. If Firefox would improve their RSS feeder (which it looks like in 2.0 they did), give me the choice to use IE favorites and fix the rendering problems I&#039;d probably switch back. (Actually, one other feature that I could live without but have grown accustomed to in Maxthon is the ability to double-click a tab to close it.)

Oh, and btw, I too have had problems in the past with numerous (say a couple dozen) tabs open in Firefox sucking up all my CPU time but I thought they had fixed that problem.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Dave,</p>
<p>I thought the problem might be Fasterfox but after trying the default settings, Netflix still bogs when I add a film to my queue. The flash/popup shows up, takes three or four deathly slow passes and then never renders the film art. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had this same problem with sites not fully rendering their images with Firefox in the past on different machines. Sometimes a full refresh (Ctrl F5) will do the trick but I shouldn&#8217;t have to be honest. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty close race in terms of functionality between Firefox and Maxthon. If Firefox would improve their RSS feeder (which it looks like in 2.0 they did), give me the choice to use IE favorites and fix the rendering problems I&#8217;d probably switch back. (Actually, one other feature that I could live without but have grown accustomed to in Maxthon is the ability to double-click a tab to close it.)</p>
<p>Oh, and btw, I too have had problems in the past with numerous (say a couple dozen) tabs open in Firefox sucking up all my CPU time but I thought they had fixed that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134241</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, #34 really didn&#039;t get it.  if a pornographic jpeg can display, your browser just fulfilled 99% of the purpose of a browser.  The other 1% is the ability to display Dvorak Uncensored.  Any other functions in a browser simply generate unnecessary CPU cycles and therefore contribute to Global Warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, #34 really didn&#8217;t get it.  if a pornographic jpeg can display, your browser just fulfilled 99% of the purpose of a browser.  The other 1% is the ability to display Dvorak Uncensored.  Any other functions in a browser simply generate unnecessary CPU cycles and therefore contribute to Global Warming.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134195</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;#34 deserves a round of applause. winner of the Unclear on the Concept While Making an Ass of Yourself with Personal Attacks Wholley unrelated to What’s Being Talked About Award!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Damn, I thought for sure I was a shoe-in for that award!  I&#039;ll be sure to try harder next time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;#34 deserves a round of applause. winner of the Unclear on the Concept While Making an Ass of Yourself with Personal Attacks Wholley unrelated to What’s Being Talked About Award!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Damn, I thought for sure I was a shoe-in for that award!  I&#8217;ll be sure to try harder next time!</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still say Paul&#039;s a big poopy head!

And  Ascii King I bet you a million dollars I&#039;m more mature than you! Plus my arguments are way better than anyone here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still say Paul&#8217;s a big poopy head!</p>
<p>And  Ascii King I bet you a million dollars I&#8217;m more mature than you! Plus my arguments are way better than anyone here.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134116</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;I don’t think SN made ANY.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Hey, I resemble that remark.  Er... I&#039;m offended by that remark.  Or something.  

Seriously, who has the time or the desire to make &quot;real arguments&quot; when you&#039;re dealing with Paul?!  Did you even bother to read #28?!

&lt;em&gt;&quot;or assigned him a character and attacked that.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

God, you&#039;re on a roll.  That was friggin&#039; hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I don’t think SN made ANY.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Hey, I resemble that remark.  Er&#8230; I&#8217;m offended by that remark.  Or something.  </p>
<p>Seriously, who has the time or the desire to make &#8220;real arguments&#8221; when you&#8217;re dealing with Paul?!  Did you even bother to read #28?!</p>
<p><em>&#8220;or assigned him a character and attacked that.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>God, you&#8217;re on a roll.  That was friggin&#8217; hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Ascii King</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134112</link>
		<dc:creator>Ascii King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this entire list from start to finish and I have to say that except for Paul, very few people actually made any real arguments. I don&#039;t think SN made ANY. Mostly, you guys just attacked Pauls character or assigned him a character and attacked that. Calling someone stupid is not an argument in itself but rather something to be added on to the end of an argument, stupid.

I&#039;m a Firefox fanboy and I like it way better than IE. I like that it is a browser attempting to garner market share by being secure. I hate that MS encourages the destruction of web standards by building browsers that read tags that aren&#039;t part of that standard. I recommend Firefox to all of my clients, but I always have to put in the caveat that if a website doesn&#039;t open properly, like a banking site then they will have to open it with IE.  It bugs me to have to say this though, knowing that a banking site is where you would want a secure browser.

It&#039;s easy for MS to make a product that appears better or even temporarily is better, but by supporting it you will lose in the long run. Eventually MS will own all of the internet tags and we will have to pay a fee to use them if we don&#039;t encourage browsers like Firefox.

If IE runs better now, it&#039;s thanks to Firefox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this entire list from start to finish and I have to say that except for Paul, very few people actually made any real arguments. I don&#8217;t think SN made ANY. Mostly, you guys just attacked Pauls character or assigned him a character and attacked that. Calling someone stupid is not an argument in itself but rather something to be added on to the end of an argument, stupid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Firefox fanboy and I like it way better than IE. I like that it is a browser attempting to garner market share by being secure. I hate that MS encourages the destruction of web standards by building browsers that read tags that aren&#8217;t part of that standard. I recommend Firefox to all of my clients, but I always have to put in the caveat that if a website doesn&#8217;t open properly, like a banking site then they will have to open it with IE.  It bugs me to have to say this though, knowing that a banking site is where you would want a secure browser.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for MS to make a product that appears better or even temporarily is better, but by supporting it you will lose in the long run. Eventually MS will own all of the internet tags and we will have to pay a fee to use them if we don&#8217;t encourage browsers like Firefox.</p>
<p>If IE runs better now, it&#8217;s thanks to Firefox.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134079</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - I agree FireFox isn&#039;t perfect, no browser is, but IE is regularly proven to have large exploits - almost every week I get a security update for it.

Firefox does have exploits - but they tend to be minor ones, and because of the way it is designed they usually require the user to do something so mind-numbingly stupid that it really wouldn&#039;t matter too much. Plus... they get fixed pretty darn quickly.

Moving on from the security standpoint though, which I agree has milage for a debate (although that isn&#039;t what has been happening here), IE is an outdated browser in comparison to all the others.

I&#039;m not just talking feature set - I&#039;m talking about the way it handles webpages. It&#039;s lax or plain awful for HTML, XML, CSS, and JavaScript. You may be a sysadmin, but trust me in my professional capacity when I say - IE is a godawful browser from that stand point. 

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by RoboForms, it sounds like you mean password autocomplete, which Opera has. Not sure how you failed to find that.

Anyhow - yes the &quot;more secure&quot; part of Firefox depends on what people mean as &quot;more secure&quot; - I would say it is because it has less major flaws and better designed core code (many of the things IE is and was vunerable to it&#039;s impossible for FF to have as issues). It does however have a lot of minor security issues. There isn&#039;t a browser out there that doesn&#039;t, however they ARE minor.

btw - the reason SN, and others, like fucking with you is that you come across (intended or not) as extraordinaryly arrogant sometimes, and then get very agressive about stuff. It&#039;s like baiting a big dog that is chained to a wall.... anyhow. Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; I agree FireFox isn&#8217;t perfect, no browser is, but IE is regularly proven to have large exploits &#8211; almost every week I get a security update for it.</p>
<p>Firefox does have exploits &#8211; but they tend to be minor ones, and because of the way it is designed they usually require the user to do something so mind-numbingly stupid that it really wouldn&#8217;t matter too much. Plus&#8230; they get fixed pretty darn quickly.</p>
<p>Moving on from the security standpoint though, which I agree has milage for a debate (although that isn&#8217;t what has been happening here), IE is an outdated browser in comparison to all the others.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not just talking feature set &#8211; I&#8217;m talking about the way it handles webpages. It&#8217;s lax or plain awful for HTML, XML, CSS, and JavaScript. You may be a sysadmin, but trust me in my professional capacity when I say &#8211; IE is a godawful browser from that stand point. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by RoboForms, it sounds like you mean password autocomplete, which Opera has. Not sure how you failed to find that.</p>
<p>Anyhow &#8211; yes the &#8220;more secure&#8221; part of Firefox depends on what people mean as &#8220;more secure&#8221; &#8211; I would say it is because it has less major flaws and better designed core code (many of the things IE is and was vunerable to it&#8217;s impossible for FF to have as issues). It does however have a lot of minor security issues. There isn&#8217;t a browser out there that doesn&#8217;t, however they ARE minor.</p>
<p>btw &#8211; the reason SN, and others, like fucking with you is that you come across (intended or not) as extraordinaryly arrogant sometimes, and then get very agressive about stuff. It&#8217;s like baiting a big dog that is chained to a wall&#8230;. anyhow. Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134056</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, something else must be wrong with your system.  I&#039;m not having those problems with Netflix.  Everything renders perfectly with Firefox.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-134051</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: #33

A good percentage of the time on Netflix, Firefox does not render all the images. If you select a movie, the flash/popup takes forever to show and almost never renders the images. Hovering over the rating of a movie isn&#039;t as interactive as with IE and making your rating choice doesn&#039;t immediately show what you chose as in IE. 

Granted, fugly may have been a bit strong, but I find this type of quirky behavior to be common with Firefox and I&#039;ve used it since it was beta. Blaming the sites makes no difference to me the user. 

RE: #34
Although I realize you were not responding to me, you have to differentiate between defending a product and the claim of a superior product. Personally I am saying that IE combined with Maxthon is a superior product to Firefox. There are some things that Firefox could do that would make it better (like fixing their honked favorites storage) and then I&#039;d switch back to Firefox. As a developer, having browsers that fully support the standards would be nice and it is a worthwhile effort to have companies like Microsoft enforce them. However, as a user I could give a shit. I want something that renders all of the sites I care about correctly and if I take reasonable security measures, protects my system. In this last regard, I think that both Firefox and IE do a sufficient job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #33</p>
<p>A good percentage of the time on Netflix, Firefox does not render all the images. If you select a movie, the flash/popup takes forever to show and almost never renders the images. Hovering over the rating of a movie isn&#8217;t as interactive as with IE and making your rating choice doesn&#8217;t immediately show what you chose as in IE. </p>
<p>Granted, fugly may have been a bit strong, but I find this type of quirky behavior to be common with Firefox and I&#8217;ve used it since it was beta. Blaming the sites makes no difference to me the user. </p>
<p>RE: #34<br />
Although I realize you were not responding to me, you have to differentiate between defending a product and the claim of a superior product. Personally I am saying that IE combined with Maxthon is a superior product to Firefox. There are some things that Firefox could do that would make it better (like fixing their honked favorites storage) and then I&#8217;d switch back to Firefox. As a developer, having browsers that fully support the standards would be nice and it is a worthwhile effort to have companies like Microsoft enforce them. However, as a user I could give a shit. I want something that renders all of the sites I care about correctly and if I take reasonable security measures, protects my system. In this last regard, I think that both Firefox and IE do a sufficient job.</p>
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		<title>By: JoJo Dancer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/04/26/internet-explorer-destroyer/comment-page-1/#comment-133977</link>
		<dc:creator>JoJo Dancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;oh - and here’s a bulletin: it’s fucking browser, not a way of life. sheesh.&quot;

You sound very much like an IE developer. Contributing nothing over the last 3 years while claiming to be the best. 

If you care so little about browsers, than why defend the integrity of any? Sorry to you if you have not ventured outdoors and lived recently. But for many, many people of the world, browsers ARE a way of life. It is the gateway to a pubilc, private, personal community. Not much different than a television. It just so happens that television, has no competitive coding architecture to deal with. It is standard for most parts. Thus only continues to strive for better picture &amp; design. We don&#039;t worry whether our television is safe. 

Now as browser users, we should expect the same. Standard browsers that all can use and all can comply with. If IE was up to standards, than we wouldn&#039;t be having this debate. We shouldn&#039;t have this debate. The fact that you even have to defend IE is just sad.

People like you that beleive it is only a browser, need to get up off your asses, step outside of your trailer park and do something. It is no wonder why this country is slow to do anything other than drop bombs on a defenseless country and steal their goods.

I don&#039;t even know what good you are to yourself, other than hearing yourself speak.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;oh &#8211; and here’s a bulletin: it’s fucking browser, not a way of life. sheesh.&#8221;</p>
<p>You sound very much like an IE developer. Contributing nothing over the last 3 years while claiming to be the best. </p>
<p>If you care so little about browsers, than why defend the integrity of any? Sorry to you if you have not ventured outdoors and lived recently. But for many, many people of the world, browsers ARE a way of life. It is the gateway to a pubilc, private, personal community. Not much different than a television. It just so happens that television, has no competitive coding architecture to deal with. It is standard for most parts. Thus only continues to strive for better picture &amp; design. We don&#8217;t worry whether our television is safe. </p>
<p>Now as browser users, we should expect the same. Standard browsers that all can use and all can comply with. If IE was up to standards, than we wouldn&#8217;t be having this debate. We shouldn&#8217;t have this debate. The fact that you even have to defend IE is just sad.</p>
<p>People like you that beleive it is only a browser, need to get up off your asses, step outside of your trailer park and do something. It is no wonder why this country is slow to do anything other than drop bombs on a defenseless country and steal their goods.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even know what good you are to yourself, other than hearing yourself speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas: What problems are you having with Netflix using Firefox?  It renders fine for me.

There are certain sites that render oddly when using other than &quot;standard&quot; fonts like Times Roman or Arial.  For example. I was using Verdana for a while until I ran into problems when doing a search using Yahoo.  Text flowed over into the search box so that you couldn&#039;t enter anything.  Going back to Arial cleared that up.  Also, some sites use IE specific stuff (like Wells Fargo Bank) so you can&#039;t use anything else which seems to be the only reason I run into problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas: What problems are you having with Netflix using Firefox?  It renders fine for me.</p>
<p>There are certain sites that render oddly when using other than &#8220;standard&#8221; fonts like Times Roman or Arial.  For example. I was using Verdana for a while until I ran into problems when doing a search using Yahoo.  Text flowed over into the search box so that you couldn&#8217;t enter anything.  Going back to Arial cleared that up.  Also, some sites use IE specific stuff (like Wells Fargo Bank) so you can&#8217;t use anything else which seems to be the only reason I run into problems.</p>
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