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		<title>By: Tolob</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/02/el-plan-de-aztlan/comment-page-2/#comment-2016257</link>
		<dc:creator>Tolob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This actually answered my downside, thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Roslyn Bellotti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roslyn Bellotti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I sincerely enjoyed reading it. This information provided by you is very practical for correct planning.</description>
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		<title>By: Narinquoptewa</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/02/el-plan-de-aztlan/comment-page-2/#comment-1118991</link>
		<dc:creator>Narinquoptewa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, a Chicano, am decendant of Tiwa and Tewa Pueblo Indians and from Iberians.  The Iberian side of my family tree claims King Ferdinand, Cristobal Colon and 22nd gen. great-grandfathers, Vasquez de Coronado as my 20th. gen.g-g.  King Ferdinand&#039;s son married a Jewish woman, the grand daughter of the Jewish Spaniard Neme ben Lavi Cabarello. The 1680 Pueblo Revolt leader, Domingo Naranjo 1641-1680, is my 10th gen. g-g.  So much has gone on between 1492-1523, and to the present.  Most Chicano are lost Indians as well as well-documented Iberians.  Most Chicanos can stay in Aztlan, or go back to Europe.  It is all vanity to rebel against this wicked country.  What would we get if this is about as good as it gets?  And I&#039;m not enjoying a huge salary as those educators that would re-write their own citizenship!  Myself, I seek a city built by God&#039;s own hands!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, a Chicano, am decendant of Tiwa and Tewa Pueblo Indians and from Iberians.  The Iberian side of my family tree claims King Ferdinand, Cristobal Colon and 22nd gen. great-grandfathers, Vasquez de Coronado as my 20th. gen.g-g.  King Ferdinand&#8217;s son married a Jewish woman, the grand daughter of the Jewish Spaniard Neme ben Lavi Cabarello. The 1680 Pueblo Revolt leader, Domingo Naranjo 1641-1680, is my 10th gen. g-g.  So much has gone on between 1492-1523, and to the present.  Most Chicano are lost Indians as well as well-documented Iberians.  Most Chicanos can stay in Aztlan, or go back to Europe.  It is all vanity to rebel against this wicked country.  What would we get if this is about as good as it gets?  And I&#8217;m not enjoying a huge salary as those educators that would re-write their own citizenship!  Myself, I seek a city built by God&#8217;s own hands!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Cheapest xenical 60 pills as low as $199.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 06:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest problem would be in figuring out which system of law - English common law or Napoleonic code - to use.  You can&#039;t adjudicate anything (starting with land titles!) without agreement on that.  And on that, I fear, our southern neighbors would never agree, even in exchange for territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest problem would be in figuring out which system of law &#8211; English common law or Napoleonic code &#8211; to use.  You can&#8217;t adjudicate anything (starting with land titles!) without agreement on that.  And on that, I fear, our southern neighbors would never agree, even in exchange for territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fornicated Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fornicated Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to shut them up, give the Mexicans Arkansas. If that doesn&#039;t shut them up, toss in Louisiana too.

Then erect 15 ft high walls with electrified razor wire and land mines. Allow the National Guards to do target shooting at anything moving within 10 miles of the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to shut them up, give the Mexicans Arkansas. If that doesn&#8217;t shut them up, toss in Louisiana too.</p>
<p>Then erect 15 ft high walls with electrified razor wire and land mines. Allow the National Guards to do target shooting at anything moving within 10 miles of the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who really belives this is a widespread movement its less spread than the westboro church and its GOD hates american and other stupid nonsense movement. I live in southern california and am hispanic trsut me no one wants that to happpen. I like visiting mexico but God help us if it spreads up here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who really belives this is a widespread movement its less spread than the westboro church and its GOD hates american and other stupid nonsense movement. I live in southern california and am hispanic trsut me no one wants that to happpen. I like visiting mexico but God help us if it spreads up here</p>
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		<title>By: GregAllen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregAllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug... Of course you are right... I should have written the post differently... let me try again:

When I lived in California, I heard people say that California was never really a full state of Mexico like Texas was.  Many Californians, at the time, would have denied they were part of Mexico.  

Is there any truth to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug&#8230; Of course you are right&#8230; I should have written the post differently&#8230; let me try again:</p>
<p>When I lived in California, I heard people say that California was never really a full state of Mexico like Texas was.  Many Californians, at the time, would have denied they were part of Mexico.  </p>
<p>Is there any truth to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Hahnarama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hahnarama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 13:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just give this Wahoo a 1/5 of Texas. (There is a law on the books that says Tx can be sub divided upto 5 times) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just give this Wahoo a 1/5 of Texas. (There is a law on the books that says Tx can be sub divided upto 5 times)</p>
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		<title>By: Eideard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/02/el-plan-de-aztlan/comment-page-2/#comment-138347</link>
		<dc:creator>Eideard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 11:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well -- &quot;remember the Alamo&quot; was about as legit as WMD or Tonkin Bay or &quot;Remember the Maine&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8212; &#8220;remember the Alamo&#8221; was about as legit as WMD or Tonkin Bay or &#8220;Remember the Maine&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: xully</title>
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		<dc:creator>xully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 11:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Remember the Alamo!&quot;

I guess not.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Remember the Alamo!&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 11:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18.  yes, it was definitely part of Mexico.  the US seized it during the Mexican War, a fact which is in every standard history.

and 17, nations do not jus surrender their sovereignty willingly to become parts of larger nations.  even the EU member states are not actually merging.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18.  yes, it was definitely part of Mexico.  the US seized it during the Mexican War, a fact which is in every standard history.</p>
<p>and 17, nations do not jus surrender their sovereignty willingly to become parts of larger nations.  even the EU member states are not actually merging.</p>
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		<title>By: GregAllen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregAllen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 06:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was California every really part of Mexico? 

Wikipedia says it was a Mexican state from 1821 to 1848 but I think some people challenge this history. 

But I think the general Mexican belief is that Calfirnia is really theirs since it was &quot;stolen&quot; from them. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was California every really part of Mexico? </p>
<p>Wikipedia says it was a Mexican state from 1821 to 1848 but I think some people challenge this history. </p>
<p>But I think the general Mexican belief is that Calfirnia is really theirs since it was &#8220;stolen&#8221; from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkeyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 03:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
This is a serious discussion about an important issue.  Funny remarks are a waste of everybody&#039;s time.  Please be serious, folks, this isn&#039;t the comics!  (don&#039;t bother replying to this part of the comment)      ...    that said...

I was thinking yesterday (May 1) that perhaps we should invite Mexico to join the USA.  We slowly integrate our society into theirs, not the other way around.  We tell people to stay in Mexico, keep the border up, and guard it from BOTH sides for another few decades.  Stay with me here...

There are two reasons Mexico has problems: education and religion.  So, we start building schools and sending teachers there; it all starts with education.  Educated people understand that maybe they shouldn&#039;t pump out a dozen kids that they can&#039;t take care of.  There are too many Mexicans because of low education and strong Catholic beliefs, that&#039;s a BIG part of the problem.

Next, in their new schools, we start teaching everybody in Mexico the english language.  I speak spanish, and I think it&#039;s easier to learn than english.  However, the USA didn&#039;t go metric, and metric makes a heckuva lot of sense.  Don&#039;t expect the USA to EVER go spanish, that&#039;s the compromise - a majority of Mexicans will have to accept english, and make it a law that USA english is their primary language.  We see where it goes from there.

This whole transition would cost a LOT of money.  So, we stop wasting money on Iraq, Israel, Africa, and other nations that really aren&#039;t interested or capable of helping the USA.  I mean, criminy, those three countries are basically DESERTS.  They&#039;ll never prosper until they are not DESERTS.  The wise Sam Kinison pointed out that the desert is full of sand, and nothing grows there.  If those people are starving, it&#039;s because they live where no food grows.  There isn&#039;t anything for them to eat, and nothing for their livestock to eat, either.  Nature is trying to take its course - stop sending them food; send them U-Hauls and tell them to move out of the desert.  Or, they&#039;ll die, and won&#039;t be a problem anymore.  Think about it.

Mexico and Canada are great neighbors, even if they have some different beliefs and economies.  They&#039;re both capitalist, mostly Christian societies.  They don&#039;t hijack our planes or blow up our stuff, and aren&#039;t anti-USA.  They don&#039;t seem to have many issues with our gubment or general populace, or they wouldn&#039;t come here.  They want to be like us, I find that very complimentary, and would rather be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Well, it&#039;s a wiser plan than shrinking the USA.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a serious discussion about an important issue.  Funny remarks are a waste of everybody&#8217;s time.  Please be serious, folks, this isn&#8217;t the comics!  (don&#8217;t bother replying to this part of the comment)      &#8230;    that said&#8230;</p>
<p>I was thinking yesterday (May 1) that perhaps we should invite Mexico to join the USA.  We slowly integrate our society into theirs, not the other way around.  We tell people to stay in Mexico, keep the border up, and guard it from BOTH sides for another few decades.  Stay with me here&#8230;</p>
<p>There are two reasons Mexico has problems: education and religion.  So, we start building schools and sending teachers there; it all starts with education.  Educated people understand that maybe they shouldn&#8217;t pump out a dozen kids that they can&#8217;t take care of.  There are too many Mexicans because of low education and strong Catholic beliefs, that&#8217;s a BIG part of the problem.</p>
<p>Next, in their new schools, we start teaching everybody in Mexico the english language.  I speak spanish, and I think it&#8217;s easier to learn than english.  However, the USA didn&#8217;t go metric, and metric makes a heckuva lot of sense.  Don&#8217;t expect the USA to EVER go spanish, that&#8217;s the compromise &#8211; a majority of Mexicans will have to accept english, and make it a law that USA english is their primary language.  We see where it goes from there.</p>
<p>This whole transition would cost a LOT of money.  So, we stop wasting money on Iraq, Israel, Africa, and other nations that really aren&#8217;t interested or capable of helping the USA.  I mean, criminy, those three countries are basically DESERTS.  They&#8217;ll never prosper until they are not DESERTS.  The wise Sam Kinison pointed out that the desert is full of sand, and nothing grows there.  If those people are starving, it&#8217;s because they live where no food grows.  There isn&#8217;t anything for them to eat, and nothing for their livestock to eat, either.  Nature is trying to take its course &#8211; stop sending them food; send them U-Hauls and tell them to move out of the desert.  Or, they&#8217;ll die, and won&#8217;t be a problem anymore.  Think about it.</p>
<p>Mexico and Canada are great neighbors, even if they have some different beliefs and economies.  They&#8217;re both capitalist, mostly Christian societies.  They don&#8217;t hijack our planes or blow up our stuff, and aren&#8217;t anti-USA.  They don&#8217;t seem to have many issues with our gubment or general populace, or they wouldn&#8217;t come here.  They want to be like us, I find that very complimentary, and would rather be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s a wiser plan than shrinking the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: site admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>site admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 01:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm..I do know for a fact that some folks in BC would like to see themselves in the USA rather than Toronto, er, I mean Canada. Might be a good topic. 

And my three-state California makes a lot of sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm..I do know for a fact that some folks in BC would like to see themselves in the USA rather than Toronto, er, I mean Canada. Might be a good topic. </p>
<p>And my three-state California makes a lot of sense!</p>
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