Comments on: Free nationwide web access? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bruce IV http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-156719 Bruce IV Thu, 25 May 2006 23:30:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-156719 ECA (re 18) ... once the wires are freed, what are you going to use them for, if not phone service? ECA (re 18) … once the wires are freed, what are you going to use them for, if not phone service?

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-156455 ECA Thu, 25 May 2006 17:37:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-156455 17, there dont need to be a control... ONLY control you want, is FREE, and NO ADVERTs...Make it so everyone can have it, and then USE it, to replace the OLD phone systems. charging for phones and NO long distance, would free up the WIRE services. 17,
there dont need to be a control…
ONLY control you want, is FREE, and NO ADVERTs…Make it so everyone can have it, and then USE it, to replace the OLD phone systems. charging for phones and NO long distance, would free up the WIRE services.

]]> By: david http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-156249 david Thu, 25 May 2006 13:25:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-156249 Never going to happen. When something is free, people take more than they need. There has to a be a controlling factor. Money is the best control. Never going to happen. When something is free, people take more than they need. There has to a be a controlling factor. Money is the best control.

]]> By: Eideard http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-156215 Eideard Thu, 25 May 2006 12:35:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-156215 Not hard to acquire from the FCC. Just change the name of the company to Halliburton 2. Not hard to acquire from the FCC. Just change the name of the company to Halliburton 2.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-156076 ECA Thu, 25 May 2006 07:30:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-156076 9, That is RIGHT...and if they created THEIR OWN backbones.....THEY would not be. It would need to be at LEAST 4.... 2, 1 accross the south and 1 on the North. THEN, 2 more connecting theEAST and and one at the west..and ten 1 in the middle would be ALL that was needed... From there for to relays.. 9,
That is RIGHT…and if they created THEIR OWN backbones…..THEY would not be.
It would need to be at LEAST 4….
2, 1 accross the south and 1 on the North.
THEN, 2 more connecting theEAST and and one at the west..and ten 1 in the middle would be ALL that was needed…
From there for to relays..

]]> By: darden http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155827 darden Wed, 24 May 2006 22:58:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155827 As much as I like this idea I wonder if Skype would remove the telecom industry from the scorched earth? It boggles the mind. As much as I like this idea I wonder if Skype would remove the telecom industry from the scorched earth? It boggles the mind.

]]> By: Ben Franske http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155824 Ben Franske Wed, 24 May 2006 22:53:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155824 I would support this if the FCC gave them a limited term licence and did not just give them the spectrum perpetually. I would support this if the FCC gave them a limited term licence and did not just give them the spectrum perpetually.

]]> By: Jon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155818 Jon Wed, 24 May 2006 22:46:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155818 Interesting the photo shows the WWII cryptographic intercept center at Bletchley Park! Interesting the photo shows the WWII cryptographic intercept center at Bletchley Park!

]]> By: catbeller http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155758 catbeller Wed, 24 May 2006 21:14:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155758 Free internet, HELL. This idea turns the wireless internet into a commercially-driven TV network. Advertisers will control the ultimate spigot. Not good. How about this: the FCC allocates the spectrum to anyone who wants to build wireless mesh nodes, as long as they are not advertiser-driven. Then it gets out of the way. Running a wireless mesh node is not expensive; we don't need advertising agencies dictating content. Free internet, HELL. This idea turns the wireless internet into a commercially-driven TV network. Advertisers will control the ultimate spigot. Not good.

How about this: the FCC allocates the spectrum to anyone who wants to build wireless mesh nodes, as long as they are not advertiser-driven. Then it gets out of the way. Running a wireless mesh node is not expensive; we don’t need advertising agencies dictating content.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155746 ECA Wed, 24 May 2006 20:54:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155746 8, GOOD words... WE are 4th(? or less) in the world of HIGHSPEED access and price. Europe has SOME great setups and at 1/2 the price WE GET. A friend in Britain, gets 3MBPS, for $12.99(about $26US)....I pay $50 for 1.5MBPS..DUH.. In tech LEVEL, I THINK we are 12th in the world, behind, CHINA, JAPAN, Indonesia, Taiwan and others... ARNT the companies SUPPOSED to help this nation PROSPER??? Or are THEY(other nations) BETTER then US/we... THEY compete with each other, and the USA does NOT.. 8,
GOOD words…
WE are 4th(? or less) in the world of HIGHSPEED access and price.
Europe has SOME great setups and at 1/2 the price WE GET.
A friend in Britain, gets 3MBPS, for $12.99(about $26US)….I pay $50 for 1.5MBPS..DUH..
In tech LEVEL, I THINK we are 12th in the world, behind, CHINA, JAPAN, Indonesia, Taiwan and others… ARNT the companies SUPPOSED to help this nation PROSPER??? Or are THEY(other nations) BETTER then US/we… THEY compete with each other, and the USA does NOT..

]]> By: James Hill http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155730 James Hill Wed, 24 May 2006 20:32:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155730 ECA, just one problem... ...the cell phone companies are, for the most part, owned by the land line companies. ECA, just one problem…

…the cell phone companies are, for the most part, owned by the land line companies.

]]> By: Awake http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155725 Awake Wed, 24 May 2006 20:22:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155725 It will never happen, because existing big business has massaged a lot of political careers, and are a regular and continuing source of contributions. What we have in most areas these days is a monopoly of high speed Internet service providers. There may be a couple of options available (Cable -vs- DSL) but they both know that dropping prices and improving service could start a real competition for customers, resulting in further lowered prices and higher service expectations, in the end damaging their own companies by increasing costs, lowering prices, and giving choices, so they implicitly conspire to keep prices at a certain level and service at a certain standard. Breaking these monopolies would be fantastic for America, because if companies were actually forced to compete, service would improve and prices would drop. We have a two party political system, both of them beholden to big business. The question on our minds should be which party is more likely to look at our benefit over big business benefit, and place that party in power in order for things like 'Advertiser sustained free wireless' to take have a hope of taking place. When we have big oil companies setting energy policies, Telcos setting FCC policies, Medical Drug companies setting health policies, we have no hope as individuals for improvements that make our needs the primary focus. Open this up for bidding.. fine... but do it, and ignore any complaints from big business. If the little guys can do it and make a profit, so should the big guys... that is the essence of capitalism, not this perverted and utterly corrupt system of government under which we live now. It will never happen, because existing big business has massaged a lot of political careers, and are a regular and continuing source of contributions.
What we have in most areas these days is a monopoly of high speed Internet service providers. There may be a couple of options available (Cable -vs- DSL) but they both know that dropping prices and improving service could start a real competition for customers, resulting in further lowered prices and higher service expectations, in the end damaging their own companies by increasing costs, lowering prices, and giving choices, so they implicitly conspire to keep prices at a certain level and service at a certain standard.
Breaking these monopolies would be fantastic for America, because if companies were actually forced to compete, service would improve and prices would drop.
We have a two party political system, both of them beholden to big business. The question on our minds should be which party is more likely to look at our benefit over big business benefit, and place that party in power in order for things like ‘Advertiser sustained free wireless’ to take have a hope of taking place.
When we have big oil companies setting energy policies, Telcos setting FCC policies, Medical Drug companies setting health policies, we have no hope as individuals for improvements that make our needs the primary focus.
Open this up for bidding.. fine… but do it, and ignore any complaints from big business. If the little guys can do it and make a profit, so should the big guys… that is the essence of capitalism, not this perverted and utterly corrupt system of government under which we live now.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155698 ECA Wed, 24 May 2006 19:13:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155698 Its interesting that I had a slightly different idea... TAKE the Cellphone companies, and place a WIRELESS backbone, accross the whole nation. The Telco's are having fits already.. Screw the Telco's, and go wireless like Japan and others have done. Its already UP, they just need to add the ISP factor to the current Cellphone antennas. The internet has LOTS of problems, useing the telco's. It dont INTERCONNET real well... Its like 4 major companies that TOUCH each other only in a few places. Sending email and data, does not go in a straight line, and MANY locals have substandard systems(esp. rural areas). Its interesting that I had a slightly different idea…
TAKE the Cellphone companies, and place a WIRELESS backbone, accross the whole nation.
The Telco’s are having fits already..
Screw the Telco’s, and go wireless like Japan and others have done.
Its already UP, they just need to add the ISP factor to the current Cellphone antennas.

The internet has LOTS of problems, useing the telco’s.
It dont INTERCONNET real well… Its like 4 major companies that TOUCH each other only in a few places. Sending email and data, does not go in a straight line, and MANY locals have substandard systems(esp. rural areas).

]]> By: axe http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155681 axe Wed, 24 May 2006 18:39:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155681 The FCC and the internet. Isn't that like vinegar and baking soda? The FCC and the internet. Isn’t that like vinegar and baking soda?

]]> By: AB CD http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/05/24/a-silicon-valley-company-has-asked-the-us-government-to-give-it-a-band-of-radio-spectrum-for-a-free-high-speed-wireless-internet-network-that-would-cover-most-of-the-united-states-and-be-supported-by/comment-page-1/#comment-155653 AB CD Wed, 24 May 2006 17:59:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5477#comment-155653 I doubt this will happen. The FCC would have to sell things without a bid which is unlikely. If it was put up for bid, the telcos might just outbid them to keep them out. I doubt this will happen. The FCC would have to sell things without a bid which is unlikely. If it was put up for bid, the telcos might just outbid them to keep them out.

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