Nearly five years after George Bush vowed to bring Osama bin Laden to justice “dead or alive”, it’s the end of the line for the CIA’s Alec Station, the unit dedicated to the hunt for the al-Qaida leader.
The unit, named after the son of a counter-terror official, was disbanded last year, it emerged this week, and its agents reassigned in what intelligence officials described as a recognition of the changing nature of al-Qaida.
Pshaw. Isn’t it great how the Mission Accomplished crowd stays the course?
The world looks on and thinks about how much the US has fallen – Al Qaeda must have won.
Frank, the Incredibly Bad Conservative. Your jealousy that the Democrats have had responsible, intelligent, sophisticated, and knowledgeable candidates in every election shows. I’m sorry that the Republicans had to steal TWO elections for such a useless armpit.
In case you haven’t noticed, even though the elections were stolen, Democrats haven’t taken up arms. Not like the right winger did when Clinton took over. Remember Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City and Atlanta? Remember how these zealots weren’t satisfied with just the political process, they had to let their guns do the talking? Although Republicans did try the Court system and then special legislation to try and save a brain dead woman, even though a viable baby was looking for a hospital in Bush’s own Texas. The baby died from legislation signed by Bush.
Ya, you really have a lot to be proud of.
How can I be jealous of candidates that don’t win?
This “stolen election” crap is pathetic. Even the New York Times admits that Bush won Florida, and the Democrats have done nothing towards instituting direct popular election of the president, by abolishing the Electoral college.
And I’m not a “conservative”, in spite of your desperate need to label and pigeonhole those who disagree with you. As I’ve said many times already, I will happily cast my vote for a Democratic presidential candidate when there is one that is more intelligent and more capable than the Republican. I’ve voted Democratic many times at the state and local level.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing up Waco and Ruby Ridge, given that the Ruby Ridge happened under Bush Sr. and both cases it was the Feds that let “the guns do the talking”, not the people who were kiled there.
Osama, if still alive, is probably brokering fast food franchises in Baghdad, profits to go for a Jihadist Heroes Museum, complete with random exploding laptops, just to make everybody feel at home.
Although Republicans did try the Court system and then special legislation to try and save a brain dead woman, even though a viable baby was looking for a hospital in Bush’s own Texas. The baby died from legislation signed by Bush.
Two errors here. Sciavo, while severely brain-damaged, was not “brain dead”. If she had been “brain-dead”, she would not survived on her own without a respirator. However, she would have survived indefinitely had the feeding tube been kept in her.
And here is the background on the case in Texas that you mentioned:
If any of you think Texas Children’s Hospital is hard-hearted in going to court to seek to take 4 1/2 -month-old Sun Hudson off life-support machines, consider this:
Texas law allowed them to do it months ago without going to court.
What’s more, some experts in medical ethics consider the Texas law to be a model.
If you haven’t kept up with the story, Sun was born with a form of dwarfism that is almost always fatal not long after birth. What’s more, it typically restricts the growth of the rib cage and lungs, so that as the rest of the baby grows he slowly suffocates.
Doctors at Texas Children’s came to the conclusion last November that keeping Sun on a ventilator would only delay his death, possibly painfully.
But Wanda Hudson, the baby’s mother, insisted that Sun be kept alive. Discussions with her did not get far. Among other things, she says her son was not conceived by a man but by the sun and that he will never die.
Source: Houston Chronicle
Lots of crystal ball rationales in your “reasoning” Frank. Is that cordless or hard-wired? Stats on severely brain-damaged survivals with feeding tubes ain’t really so great. Ask a neurologist instead of a professional christian.
And after all the what-if’s and maybe’s near and dear to the heart of the creation crew, the significant legal precedents for next-of-kin were bent and re-bent to satisfy political and superstitious chicanery.
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Haven’t wandered by this Post since this morning; but, per usual, the defenders of neo-con crappola have wandered miles afield from the article, etc.. Do Fearless Leaders’ clay feet [and matching transparent clothing] automatically require such defense and denial?
You’re full of assumptions, aren’t you? I am not a Christian, moss, let alone a creationist. The only reason I’m bringing up this whole sad affair is because Mr. Fusion dredged it up in a lame attempt to smear those with whom he disagrees.
Schiavo had been on the feeding tube since 1990 – that’s 15 years. As I said previously, she would have lived indefinitely had she remained on it. I made no claims about her quality of life, other than to point out Mr. Fusion’s misuse of the term “brain-dead”, and that she would have lived longer and with much less pain than Sun Hudson.
I personally would not want to live indefinitely in the state that Terri Schaivo was in. However, her family did want to keep her alive and were willing to care for her. Unfortunately Terri did not put her wishes in writing, and we only have the word of her husband who had been living with another woman and stood to personally benefit from her death.
Frank IBC is using the usual tactic for Bush viral marketers.
“Heck I’m not a Christian or a Creationist or a Republican. I only support Bush and everything in his agenda because I’m sooooooooo disgusted with the Democrats. Yes siree I was a lifelong Democrat untill they became a bunch of traitorous perverts and I’m voting Democrat just as soon as they come up with a candidate who’s a living God like Bush is.”
“After all there’s so many people like me you have to believe me!”
Again, neurologists aren’t as confident of their crystal ball as is Frank.
And the law as generally interpreted outside the cloud-cuckoo-land of christianity says a husband is next of kin. Because you happen to ascribe to some jive morality that says your rights are supposed to be interpreted, case by case, to satisfy this week’s political bushwa — doesn’t justify throwing precedent out the window.
Milo -
I’ve never been a Democrat. I’ve never been a Republican. I did not vote for Dole in 1996, and I did not vote for Bush in 2000. I’m not “disgusted” with the Democrats (I will seriously consider voting for Hillary, Obama, or Lieberman if they run in 2008), nor do I “love” the Republicans. But given a situation where there are exactly two viable presidential candidates, between a dumb candidate (Bush), and a dumber candidate (Kerry), I will chose the “dumb” candidate without hesitation. He’s obviously capable of a higher level of reasoning than you are, that’s for sure.
Moss -
You’ve missed my point entirely. As I said previously, I’ve made no claims about the quality of Schiavo’s life, nor did I defend Jeb Bush and Trent Lott’s sordid performance in this sad affair, I was merely pointing out that Mr. Fusion misused the term “brain dead”. “Brain dead” means that there is no brain function whatsoever. “Brain dead” means that the individual will not survive unless s/he is on a respirator. There is a huge difference between a low level of brain function, and NONE.
And given that Michael Schiavo had a common-law wife, with whom he had lived for several years, that seriously undermined his claim to be the “next-of-kin”. And again, the only reason I bothered discussing it was because Mr. Fusion brought it up (along with Ruby Ridge) in an attempt to divert attention from his faltering argument that “Bush stole the election”.
You can go ahead and label everyone who disagrees with you in the slightest “conservative”, “republican”, “fundamentalist creationist christian”, whatever. And once again in 2008 you will be left wondering why your candidates lost a third election in a row.
Frank — you’re the dude who’s stuck with the kooky kristian allies. All you’re doing is trying to find a PC way to justify your “moral” judgement of Schiavo.
And haven’t you been around this site long enough to know I’ve been a registered Independent for a half century? I registered once as repulican, once as democrat. Got fed up both times with hypocrisy, deceit, and chickenshit fence-sitters.
There were plenty of agnostics and atheists who opposed the starvation of Terri Schiavo, moss.
On the other hand, Michael had the Scientologists on his side.
OK,
Its time to get out.
These folks have been fighting each oither for over 2000 years.
They dont want to control themselves, to SAVE a country.
they wish to shoot each other, and not pay attention to what OUTSIDE groups wish to do to them.
Jump the boat, Leave the anchor and get the HELL out.
Leave our guns on the Dock, so we can say ” we tried to help, we tried to arm them to pretect their country.”
When we First went in, we should have Closed and patroled the whole border area.. But we know HOW bad we are at that..
Movement sencors and Flares would have been the Least we should have done on the borders, but we didnt. Now we have every group that wishes to Start, their OWN nation coming in…
Frank you can say anything you want on the Interent. It doesn’t prove anything. Except that you’re obviously a viral marketer
Milo -
Hahahahaha.
Moron.
I don’t come to this site too often, so I don’t know if all-of-the-above is representative or what, but this is the most pathetic thread I’ve ever seen.
Folks, all this rabid ‘anti/pro’ bashing is utterly beside the point. Osama bin Laden is responsible for killing approximately 3000 American citizens. His ‘operational effectiveness’ or whatever the Hell the justification is these days, makes no difference to the fact that he’s the admitted mastermind behind those killings. And yet about 80% of what’s written above doesn’t even mention that irreducible fact.
If some murderous Mafia Don had suddenly become marginalized within The Family, would any of us approve of the law not going after him to force him to account for his crimes? Anyone who answers that they would is either a troll, or simply the worst kind of human being. A reasonable person would insist that such a thug – no matter the state of their current abilities – be made to face the music. That is not only the ethical & moral course, but it’s also the most effective. By showing the world that there is no respite, no place to hide for such individuals, you send two important messages; a] to any others thinking about following in their footsteps, and b] to the law abiding people upon whose support any government depends, that such evil will not find a home here.
What the Bush Administration is doing, shutting this unit down before bin Laden is brought to justice or killed, is a smack in the face to every citizen in this country, and a signal to every terrorist that maybe we aren’t such a hard target after all. In fact, this is a perfect example of why the fight against terrorism (a tactic) should never have become a ‘War’ in the first place, and should have remained primarily a law enforcement action. If it was conceptually still about putting a criminal organization out of business, there would be none of this quivering talk about Osama not ‘being the focus’ anymore. Of course he’s the focus! He’s responsible for these deaths, AND he’s lionized in the Middle East for evading penalty for doing it. As long as he’s free, he has power over the motivations of those who would consider taking up his banner. It’s his ability to call shots that’s inconsequential here!
And need I point out the obvious on another related point? Had a President Gore or Kerry done the same thing (two people who are clearly better suited to run this country than Bush, and who I wholeheartedly voted for on that basis), the conservatives would be lighting bonfires on the White House lawn. And frankly, I’d be passing the lighter fluid to them. Because shutting this unit down is wrong. WRONG! Party affiliation or political leanings do not matter on this issue, at all.
This thread and it’s complete obsequiousness to the ‘Us vs Them’ paradigm is reason #1 why I fear for this country’s future. You guys & gals are, according to the latest studies, supposed to be brighter than the Average Joe/Jane. And yet I’d wager there is more inciteful commentary to be found on this subject in any mental ward in the country. If you people can’t come together on something like this – so clearly a mistake, and so clearly non-partisan – then what hope is there? If this has become ‘standard thinking’, the United States will collapse – “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”
It pains me to say it, but most of you here present yourselves as nothing more than fools. Selfish, blindered, pathetic fools. God help us all.
the fight against terrorism (a tactic) should never have become a ‘War’ in the first place, and should have remained primarily a law enforcement action.
Hahaha.
You may sit in the corner with Milo.
It pains me to say it, but most of you here present yourselves as nothing more than fools. Selfish, blindered, pathetic fools. God help us all.
Comment by Odyssey67 — 7/6/2006 @ 2:46 pm
Sorry dude, this is not the Ladies Social here. It is Dvorak Uncensored. And as much as I disagree with several posts and posters, they have every right to say what they say. Sure, sometimes some posts are silly or just plain out to lunch. None of that ever takes away from their right, freedom, and privilege to post here.
To say the most argumentative things is par for the course. So far this post has around 40 posts. A pretty good response by any measure. Your post made some very good points. Right up until you suggested you were morally and intellectually superior.
So may God help the one who needs it the most.
#3, Hahaha, what a puppet you are, sagrilarius.
As I’ve said several times previously, I will happily vote for a Democratic presidential candidate when they nominate one that is less stupid than the Republican candidate. Sadly, that’s happened only once in the past four decades.
#6, smartalix -
Sorry, but in spite of the millions of Americans who are smarter than Bush, the Democrats can’t seem to be able to nominate any of them. Instead they nominate even bigger idiots like Kerry, and chose idiots like Dean to lead their party.
#10, Maybe if the Democrats would stop whining about conspiracies, and figure out what kind of candidate they need to nominate that could actually win an election,
#23, I will happily cast my vote for a Democratic presidential candidate when there is one that is more intelligent and more capable than the Republican. I’ve voted Democratic many times at the state and local level.
#28, The only reason I’m bringing up this whole sad affair is because Mr. Fusion dredged it up in a lame attempt to smear those with whom he disagrees.
No, you bring it up in an effort to justify your constant suggesting that the Democrats don’t have any viable candidates. Your “hero” Bush has bailed on finding bin Laden and you see no problem with that. Your best defense is that the CIA is abysmal. Even though they presented a report in August 2001 that al Qaeda was planning something. The CIA was only an afterthought to Reagan’s military build-up and the Soviet breakup was easily foreseen by many analysts. Only the same cabel now running the White House ignored the CIA.
Blame the CIA for Bush’s failure to go after bin Laden, the man responsible for almost 3,000 lives. Ya, right !!!
Any Democrat that ran in the 2004 would have been a much better President then what we have now.