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	<title>Comments on: FBI Operation &#8220;Copycat&#8221; Busts Pirates, Throws Book at Them</title>
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		<title>By: Teyecoon</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/03/fbi-operation-copycat-busts-pirates-throws-book-at-them/comment-page-1/#comment-238646</link>
		<dc:creator>Teyecoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice and fairness all depend on the quality of the lawyers you can afford to hire.  This is why it pays to be a major white collar criminal but not a minor one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice and fairness all depend on the quality of the lawyers you can afford to hire.  This is why it pays to be a major white collar criminal but not a minor one.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the guy that has to pay $120,000</description>
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		<title>By: AB CD</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/03/fbi-operation-copycat-busts-pirates-throws-book-at-them/comment-page-1/#comment-237054</link>
		<dc:creator>AB CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, all my criticisms for your supporting movie and music downloads were unwarranted.  Now it&#039;s clear you support ALL forms of piracy including selling DVDs in stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, all my criticisms for your supporting movie and music downloads were unwarranted.  Now it&#8217;s clear you support ALL forms of piracy including selling DVDs in stores.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that they can find someone useing P2P(probably), but cant find all those folks making Bots, and Virus in POPUPs, from business&#039;s that PAY them for the POPUPs.

I think they have found 3?? persons in 10 years??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that they can find someone useing P2P(probably), but cant find all those folks making Bots, and Virus in POPUPs, from business&#8217;s that PAY them for the POPUPs.</p>
<p>I think they have found 3?? persons in 10 years??</p>
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		<title>By: lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, what a strained, almost ridiculous analysis of the situation:

1. You have no idea how the pleas played out.  It is not a secret that sentences and other punishments are based upon lots of factors, including the truthfulness and cooperation of the indictees.  Don&#039;t like the punishment, or are innocent, go to trial.

2. I start to get very uncomfortable when punishments are based upon the &quot;victim&quot; and not the actual crime.  Assuming that we can agree there was an economic loss/crime involved of some amount, I don&#039;t think arguments like some victims could afford it makes it any less a crime.  That is why are laws are set up with ideas like felonies start at a particular $ amount, not a percentage of the victims assets. 

Personally, I also don&#039;t think the victims &quot;thoughts&quot; should matter either, and I am an extreme opponent of &quot;hate crime&quot; statutes where people serve extra time for yelling slurs, etc.  Killing someone for no reason is not &quot;better&quot; than killing someone because they are &#039;whatever&#039;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, what a strained, almost ridiculous analysis of the situation:</p>
<p>1. You have no idea how the pleas played out.  It is not a secret that sentences and other punishments are based upon lots of factors, including the truthfulness and cooperation of the indictees.  Don&#8217;t like the punishment, or are innocent, go to trial.</p>
<p>2. I start to get very uncomfortable when punishments are based upon the &#8220;victim&#8221; and not the actual crime.  Assuming that we can agree there was an economic loss/crime involved of some amount, I don&#8217;t think arguments like some victims could afford it makes it any less a crime.  That is why are laws are set up with ideas like felonies start at a particular $ amount, not a percentage of the victims assets. </p>
<p>Personally, I also don&#8217;t think the victims &#8220;thoughts&#8221; should matter either, and I am an extreme opponent of &#8220;hate crime&#8221; statutes where people serve extra time for yelling slurs, etc.  Killing someone for no reason is not &#8220;better&#8221; than killing someone because they are &#8216;whatever&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the recording industry open their own prisons? Should we let the families of murder victims foot the bill to keep the killer in jail. Please. 

I realize most here are very pro music sharing, however, these guys are obvious pirates in it for a quick buck. If you defend their actions you are undermining the file sharing argument by aligning with these guys.

Look at it like this, prison is partially to punish but also to deter others from a similar path. If five others see this punishment and decide not to try it there is a net savings. You can argue if the savings are there but this is what i is all predicated on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the recording industry open their own prisons? Should we let the families of murder victims foot the bill to keep the killer in jail. Please. </p>
<p>I realize most here are very pro music sharing, however, these guys are obvious pirates in it for a quick buck. If you defend their actions you are undermining the file sharing argument by aligning with these guys.</p>
<p>Look at it like this, prison is partially to punish but also to deter others from a similar path. If five others see this punishment and decide not to try it there is a net savings. You can argue if the savings are there but this is what i is all predicated on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay big film industry is happy.  They have a stick to waive at the pirates (stick is the court result).

This will end up in an Appeals court, which might reduce the amount. as it does not equate to other crimes in society.  But I admit I do not understand the appeals process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay big film industry is happy.  They have a stick to waive at the pirates (stick is the court result).</p>
<p>This will end up in an Appeals court, which might reduce the amount. as it does not equate to other crimes in society.  But I admit I do not understand the appeals process.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1- the funny thing about the real pirate or the &quot;source&quot; is in the industry itself. Thats where it all comes from. everything that i received when i was into warez was from a studio (or a academy voter) Hollywood cant admit that piracy comes from within. Its everyone elses fault. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1- the funny thing about the real pirate or the &#8220;source&#8221; is in the industry itself. Thats where it all comes from. everything that i received when i was into warez was from a studio (or a academy voter) Hollywood cant admit that piracy comes from within. Its everyone elses fault.</p>
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		<title>By: AB CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35000 dollars is about 5000 dvds i guess.  Plus this is exactly the type of DVD sales they really want to go after.  The movies are still in theaters, so it can&#039;t even be called DVD copying.  I don&#039;t know how you could say the one guy didn&#039;t cop a plea when the first sentence says hepled guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35000 dollars is about 5000 dvds i guess.  Plus this is exactly the type of DVD sales they really want to go after.  The movies are still in theaters, so it can&#8217;t even be called DVD copying.  I don&#8217;t know how you could say the one guy didn&#8217;t cop a plea when the first sentence says hepled guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well since the govt solved hunger, homelessness,crime, ended terriosm, stopped war, ended corruption, and made this world safe for all god fearing americans then its only natural for them to go after the big reason for greed and hate and crime. 

 piracy. 

I love how this shows that money talks and poor people walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well since the govt solved hunger, homelessness,crime, ended terriosm, stopped war, ended corruption, and made this world safe for all god fearing americans then its only natural for them to go after the big reason for greed and hate and crime. </p>
<p> piracy. </p>
<p>I love how this shows that money talks and poor people walk.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a relatively short sighted cost assessment.

Consider what the Media giants pay to:
*) harass the parents of kids who download music.
*) lobby to control our handling of media
*) strike deals with hardware manufactures to control our handling of media.

The media Giants chase down regular people because they claim they can&#039;t catch the real pirates (though they don&#039;t really admit to it this way).  So perhaps, catching a real pirate is a good thing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a relatively short sighted cost assessment.</p>
<p>Consider what the Media giants pay to:<br />
*) harass the parents of kids who download music.<br />
*) lobby to control our handling of media<br />
*) strike deals with hardware manufactures to control our handling of media.</p>
<p>The media Giants chase down regular people because they claim they can&#8217;t catch the real pirates (though they don&#8217;t really admit to it this way).  So perhaps, catching a real pirate is a good thing.</p>
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