Comments on: Video: Stupidly Simple “Bump Key” Makes Keyed Locks Open In Seconds — Your Home Is At Risk!! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Don http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-466627 Don Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:26:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-466627 numerous blissfully ignorant responses provided, thanks for nothing... Does anyone out there have an intelligent answer to the question "Is there any way to protect your home from the use of a bump key? Instructions please!?!?!" I don't care to hear about dogs, baseball bats guns, insurance, police, kicking someone's A$*, etc... I'd like a resonable and economical solution, if one exists. Thank you. numerous blissfully ignorant responses provided, thanks for nothing… Does anyone out there have an intelligent answer to the question “Is there any way to protect your home from the use of a bump key? Instructions please!?!?!” I don’t care to hear about dogs, baseball bats guns, insurance, police, kicking someone’s A$*, etc… I’d like a resonable and economical solution, if one exists. Thank you.

]]> By: Alberto Catlano http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-300692 Alberto Catlano Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:51:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-300692 I know I am behind the times and this is old news. I only saw the bump key videos yesterday and am not worried... It won't be long before every kid in my street knows how to make these bump keys. But will they all make them? NO. Who will use them? The same kids who are breaking into houses right now without bump keys but using screwdrivers, bricks etc. Personally, If I am going to be burgled, I'd rather they use a bump key than a brick through the window. They should show those vidoes in prisons so next time I get burgled I don't have to sweep up the broken glass or replace the lock barrel on my door etc. In the meantime someone is going to make a fortune inventing a <b>cheap</b> alternative secure lock system for doors (perhaps they've already invented it and are waiting for the bump key hysteria to hit before promoting it). Insurance companies are probably going to increase their premiums because now that knowledge about bump keys is in the public domain they will probably have to pay out on claims where there is no evidence of forced entry. I know I am behind the times and this is old news. I only saw the bump key videos yesterday and am not worried…
It won’t be long before every kid in my street knows how to make these bump keys. But will they all make them? NO. Who will use them? The same kids who are breaking into houses right now without bump keys but using screwdrivers, bricks etc. Personally, If I am going to be burgled, I’d rather they use a bump key than a brick through the window. They should show those vidoes in prisons so next time I get burgled I don’t have to sweep up the broken glass or replace the lock barrel on my door etc.
In the meantime someone is going to make a fortune inventing a cheap alternative secure lock system for doors (perhaps they’ve already invented it and are waiting for the bump key hysteria to hit before promoting it).
Insurance companies are probably going to increase their premiums because now that knowledge about bump keys is in the public domain they will probably have to pay out on claims where there is no evidence of forced entry.

]]> By: InterestHack http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-267009 InterestHack Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:34:23 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-267009 @ #21 Agree with pretty much everything you said.. There are a few errors in there though. In the video demonstration What The Bump they tell how to make it so no marks are left. It's quite easy too: Just use a piece of hot glue around the shoulder - no more marks. And also, if you have a key that's actually made properly then there is no "luck" about it. It just works. I think http://www.bumpkeyforum.com has links to the videos \ guides. My best defense is still the shot gun i have in my closet :D @ #21

Agree with pretty much everything you said.. There are a few errors in there though. In the video demonstration What The Bump they tell how to make it so no marks are left. It’s quite easy too: Just use a piece of hot glue around the shoulder – no more marks.
And also, if you have a key that’s actually made properly then there is no “luck” about it. It just works. I think http://www.bumpkeyforum.com has links to the videos \ guides.

My best defense is still the shot gun i have in my closet :D

]]> By: Lock Guy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-2/#comment-242204 Lock Guy Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:17:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-242204 About a year ago I actually made a bunch of these "bump" keys. It's actually not as easy to do this as the Toool guys demonstrate. I'm not actually a burgular, but was investigating the "vulnerability" of certain key systems. Sometimes you get "lucky" and it works easy with one tap, and sometimes you have a tough time with it, even with the "Home Depot" grade lock. Anyway, unless you are VERY good at the technique, it could make a lot of noise while tapping at the "bump" key. And it DOES leave a little dent in the top of the keyway. It's still more stealthy to "pick" a lock. A few other points: 1. It's much easier to open a door with a brick. 2. Burgulars don't care about your insurance situation so will not go to this effort to open your door. The big issue is more so in Europe where the insurance laws are different from the US. In the US most insurance companies will reimburse you for your loss. All of even the most sophisticated locking systems have vulnerabilities. You would be surprised at how easy it is to get into most "card key" systems. The best defenses are alarm systems, surveilance systems or dogs. About a year ago I actually made a bunch of these “bump” keys. It’s actually not as easy to do this as the Toool guys demonstrate. I’m not actually a burgular, but was investigating the “vulnerability” of certain key systems.
Sometimes you get “lucky” and it works easy with one tap, and sometimes you have a tough time with it, even with the “Home Depot” grade lock.
Anyway, unless you are VERY good at the technique, it could make a lot of noise while tapping at the “bump” key. And it DOES leave a little dent in the top of the keyway. It’s still more stealthy to “pick” a lock.
A few other points:
1. It’s much easier to open a door with a brick.
2. Burgulars don’t care about your insurance situation so will not go to this effort to open your door.
The big issue is more so in Europe where the insurance laws are different from the US. In the US most insurance companies will reimburse you for your loss.
All of even the most sophisticated locking systems have vulnerabilities. You would be surprised at how easy it is to get into most “card key” systems.
The best defenses are alarm systems, surveilance systems or dogs.

]]> By: Trimble Epic http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241872 Trimble Epic Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:04:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241872 I'd like to see a list of lock manufactuers that are producing locks that are not vulnerable to this simple attack please. I’d like to see a list of lock manufactuers that are producing locks that are not vulnerable to this simple attack please.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241801 ECA Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:06:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241801 I'd set an extra tumbler inside, that IF its moved, it Locks the door instead of opening it. This is what happens when Lock companies get LAZY. I’d set an extra tumbler inside, that IF its moved, it Locks the door instead of opening it.
This is what happens when Lock companies get LAZY.

]]> By: miataget1 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241737 miataget1 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:22:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241737 Yep...What we need are locks controlled by MS Windows. That'll work. HA Yep…What we need are locks controlled by MS Windows.

That’ll work. HA

]]> By: woktiny http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241536 woktiny Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:08:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241536 nice of them to tell us what is still considered secure... nice of them to tell us what is still considered secure…

]]> By: Pete Shanahan http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241419 Pete Shanahan Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:22:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241419 Well, I knew about this class attack on locks for about two years. The problem is in how the keying system is implemented. Apparently there are a few types of locks that are not suceptible to this form of attack. Of German origin IIRC. Big ass magnets can defeat 'the most secure' of electronic locks. Meh, I'm just glad I live in a low crime area. Well, I knew about this class attack on locks for about two years. The problem is in how the keying system is implemented. Apparently there are a few types of locks that are not suceptible to this form of attack. Of German origin IIRC. Big ass magnets can defeat ‘the most secure’ of electronic locks. Meh, I’m just glad I live in a low crime area.

]]> By: RC of strangeculture http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241110 RC of strangeculture Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:30:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241110 Isn't this just so bizarre? i feel like locking systems need to be changed so this simple system won't work. --RC of strangeculture.blogspot.com Isn’t this just so bizarre? i feel like locking systems need to be changed so this simple system won’t work.

–RC of strangeculture.blogspot.com

]]> By: Charbax http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-241044 Charbax Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:00:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-241044 The solution is thumb scanner and password touch pad to open the door. The solution is thumb scanner and password touch pad to open the door.

]]> By: Pete http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-240979 Pete Mon, 07 Aug 2006 02:45:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-240979 seems that all the solutions offered so far, involves you staying home all the time. Face it you gun waving maniacs.. you got to leave sometime. seems that all the solutions offered so far, involves you staying home all the time. Face it you gun waving maniacs.. you got to leave sometime.

]]> By: Nate Peck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-240880 Nate Peck Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:32:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-240880 If this attracts the kind of would-be burglars they're talking about, they would probably leave fingerprints. Isn't that enough evidence for the police? If this attracts the kind of would-be burglars they’re talking about, they would probably leave fingerprints. Isn’t that enough evidence for the police?

]]> By: hbvacmach http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-240872 hbvacmach Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:14:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-240872 Nope it is not that easy, manufactures of decent locks put in mushroom or thimble pins just to stop this sort of thing. Also if you lock is on a mutable key system ( master and sub-master key ) the additional pins get in the way. Sure it works on some locks but not that many. So while the guy is out there basically knocking on your door, you can answer him with my security system, a 357. Nope it is not that easy, manufactures of decent locks put in mushroom or thimble pins just to stop this sort of thing. Also if you lock is on a mutable key system ( master and sub-master key ) the additional pins get in the way. Sure it works on some locks but not that many. So while the guy is out there basically knocking on your door, you can answer him with my security system, a 357.

]]> By: Mike Voice http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/06/video-stupidly-simple-bump-key-makes-keyed-locks-open-in-seconds-your-home-is-at-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-240690 Mike Voice Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:39:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6485#comment-240690 Isn't this the kind of thing Homeland Security wants kept hidden from public viewing, so that the "terrorists" don't learn from it? [grin] Isn’t this the kind of thing Homeland Security wants kept hidden from public viewing, so that the “terrorists” don’t learn from it? [grin]

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