This undocumented vid is flying around the net. Not sure what to make of it. FYI.
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This undocumented vid is flying around the net. Not sure what to make of it. FYI.
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Support our Troops? People these are Mercs that we are paying 5 to 10 times as much as we pay our own troops in order to help hide the total cost of the war in budgets other than the Pentagon. Also makes for better press about “less troops” in the new leaner, meaner military. But costs a hell of a lot more than a draft: except for the political cost.
These are not “our troops” in the sense that we control them any more than we control Halburton.
I admit in this world things are sometimes not as they appear. Perhaps, if the music wasn’t so loud we could hear what was being said and make better judgment . The question, was the music added post to cover their comments or were they just listening to it that loud in the vehicle. The answer to that question could give us a clue to their state of mind.
At best their action is questionable and maybe should be evaluated. After such a review, perhaps some new guidelines should be put into place for threat assessment and the appropriate response.
I wonder what was going on in front of the car. The Aegis report just makes it worse.
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The music was added to the video post production as opposed to playing in the vehicle while they traveled. The fact “Mystery Train” continues smoothly from scene to scene is sufficient to indicate it was an after thought. Moreover, “Mystery Train” has oft been interpreted as a euphemism not unlike “The Grim Reaper” wherein both depict random death. Thus, another disconcerting element in the video is the perception by the editor that the journey is best accompanied by a song befitting the ride. Finally, I would posit the selection of that specific music was not done by an 18-35 (conventional military age) year old insofar as the popularized version of the track dates from Elvis Presley in 1955.
It’s a consipiracy, I tell ya! To debate these types of things is silly, given that none of us were actually there, and that what we’re basically doing is judging others in a war zone from the safety and comfort of our PCs.
Grow up people.
#25 – You are right. Its better to just sit down like a good citizen and behave as our obviously superior leaders have asked us to. Just go to the mall, buy some shoes, go see Talledega Nights, have something from Cinnabon, and just let those really important people in Washington deal with all this messy war stuff.
It isn’t just our right to be critical. It’s our responsibility.
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Wrong. I was there in 1955.
Wrong: I was there in 1965.
Wrong: Debating the veracity of the video is not invalid.
As to silence regarding the appropriateness of the activity… you are correct that only the participants know the truth; however the premise of the post was the authenticity of the video and its depicted violence. On that subject, all our entitled to their opinion.
BobH
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Yeah Wow I totaly missed that!
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Thank you for your service.
BobH
Knowing what you know and what you have seen what is your gut feeling?
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There’s no news flash in reporting during times of stress people are not always rational. There’s also no fresh insight in revealing when a weapon of any kind is placed in enough people’s hands, a certain percentage will use it indiscriminately. The debate is the whether America is doing itself or the world a service by being in Iraq.
The editor of that video has a perspective to share via their choice of images and audio accompaniment. If you revisit Coppola’s “Apocalypse Now” scene of the gunship attack on the village, accompanied by Wagner’s “The Ride of the Valkyries” you’ll witness another director’s view of carnage.
If you don’t like it in Iraq, just think of how you will feel when it’s in the United States. Welcome to WWIII.
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From Merriam-Webster
Hysteria
Main Entry: hys·te·ria
Pronunciation: his-’ter-E-&, -’tir-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from English hysteric, adjective, from Latin hystericus, from Greek hysterikos, from hystera womb; from the Greek notion that hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus
1 : a psychoneurosis marked by emotional excitability and disturbances of the psychic, sensory, vasomotor, and visceral functions
2 : behavior exhibiting overwhelming or unmanageable fear or emotional excess
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Accepting your theory of WW3 is accurate; please recall the majority of generals and politicians are infamous for their knee-jerk reaction of immediately implementing the tactics successful in the past rather then astutely evaluating the enemy before them in the present.
The way to victory today is much less painful than bombs and bullets; America must invent their way out of the conflict via a “Manhattan project” developing alternative energy. Turn off the US need to succor at the oil spigot and the funds for Islamic fundamentalists disappear.
I love the “taken out of context” justification for what we all just saw in that video, rattling automatic weapons fire on the highway. For a minute there, I thought it was LA in the 80s …
yes, private security contractors are, in essence, mercs. They are also the second-largest foreign force in Iraq, or at least were a while ago.
US military personnel do not care for them one bit, since they have been known to do things like those depicted in the video, which plays hell with the “hearts and minds” part of counter-insurgency. As one American soldier who worked out with some of the mercs in a gym in the Green Zone noted, “Steroids, weapons and anger are a bad combination.”
What a mess. You can see from the video how being in Iraq could bring a terrible new meaning to the phrase “Shit Happens”. Some of the warning shots looked like they were fifty percent warning and fifty percent “if this gets down to us vs. them it is gonna be them”. That may not be noble, but it is understandable. I haven’t found any mention in any article saying if all this happened on a two mile drive to pick up lunch or if this was a “best of Baghdad” series shot over weeks of months. The shooter, depending on how badly on edge he was at the time, could have been trigger happy or have been showing a good deal of restraint. One last thing, to the guy driving the Mercedes. If you take your hands off the wheel of damn near any Mercedes, in any condition and slam down on the brakes as hard as you want, it will come to a stop in a straight line and not in the trunk of a taxi. Again, what a mess.
Private military contractors (PMCs) = mercenaries. Same new speak as Pre-owned cars vs used cars. PMC is just more sanitary and PC.
This is just another example of the fact we have already LOST this arrogant blunder of imperialism for the sake of oil.
Nobody in our government has the courage to ever admit defeat, or that they we’re wrong, and more Americans have to die for their hubris.
Two observations:
1) The comments about this video lacking context are absolutely right. Is this Jimmy and Billy Merc shooting up Baghdad after a frustrating day at the war, or are these video excerpts of military operations against known or suspected opposition forces? We have no way of knowing. The author of the video, through music, scene and audio selection, clearly has an agenda in mind — what we don’t know is if what got cut out were conversations like — “No that’s not the target we are looking for…”; or “Yes commander, we are now in front of the white Toyota and will engage…”
2) The videos are disturbing because they illustrate the realities of war first-hand. Not Hollywood-style shoot-em-up — this is real — real people were shot, possibly killed in that video, real civilians were in harm’s way and likely injured because the operation took place in civilian setting. Americans are insulated from the realities of warfare — we read disproportionately little about the collateral damage that our efforts have had. We are fighting a war on terrorism, but what would we be saying about the way the war has been prosecuted if it were being fought on our soil as opposed to in the Middle East?
I’m not saying that we haven’t tried to reduce casualties — the US is increasingly effective at fighting with fewer and fewer casualties. But even so, the civilian casualty numbers are huge.
The point is, WE chose to make this a full-scale war, WE chose where to fight this war, WE chose the means with which to respond to the terrorist threat. There were and are other approaches, and the world holds the US accountable for the choices it makes.