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	<title>Comments on: The Dark Side of Tough Love: Son borrows parents&#8217; car without permission, parents call police, son is arrested and is killed on the way to jail!</title>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-271235</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about this?

1 -The person who killed the young boy did so to prove how tough he was. He said &#039;that&#039;s what happens when you mess with me&#039; in response to what he did. Was he proving how &#039;street&#039; he was because he was going to jail, but what he was arrested for ws not hard enough?. The fact that Liam Ashley was in the van appears to be immaterial and maybe the attack was unprovoked. Would whoever was put in that cage with the murderer have suffered the same fate?

2- The security guards are not allowed to stop the van in transit. No matter what happens in the back. Doing so would cost them their job. It turns out that assaults are common. There was another inmate who required hospital treatment for an assault in the back of a van in Wellington this week.

3- He was probably on &#039;p&#039; 

What is required for one to get &#039;street cred.&#039; is continually being raised. Violent crime is spiraling out of control in this country It is a sorry state of affairs. 

What abut the fact that the murderer was 25 and the victim was 17- how much cred. is that?

It is so disappointing. The parents of both parties must take some responsibility, but I don&#039;t believe that they are totally to blame, as there are numerous factors to blame. For example - drugs, role models, peer pressure …

 However, no one will take responsibility now as it&#039;s always someone else&#039;s fault and these types of incidents will keep cropping up. 

Many of our nations kids aren&#039;t alright, but they are the only ones who make the news. 

I hope they keep his name suppression; it&#039;s most likely what the murderer wants.

I&#039;ll stop now!

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<p>1 -The person who killed the young boy did so to prove how tough he was. He said &#8216;that&#8217;s what happens when you mess with me&#8217; in response to what he did. Was he proving how &#8216;street&#8217; he was because he was going to jail, but what he was arrested for ws not hard enough?. The fact that Liam Ashley was in the van appears to be immaterial and maybe the attack was unprovoked. Would whoever was put in that cage with the murderer have suffered the same fate?</p>
<p>2- The security guards are not allowed to stop the van in transit. No matter what happens in the back. Doing so would cost them their job. It turns out that assaults are common. There was another inmate who required hospital treatment for an assault in the back of a van in Wellington this week.</p>
<p>3- He was probably on &#8216;p&#8217; </p>
<p>What is required for one to get &#8216;street cred.&#8217; is continually being raised. Violent crime is spiraling out of control in this country It is a sorry state of affairs. </p>
<p>What abut the fact that the murderer was 25 and the victim was 17- how much cred. is that?</p>
<p>It is so disappointing. The parents of both parties must take some responsibility, but I don&#8217;t believe that they are totally to blame, as there are numerous factors to blame. For example &#8211; drugs, role models, peer pressure …</p>
<p> However, no one will take responsibility now as it&#8217;s always someone else&#8217;s fault and these types of incidents will keep cropping up. </p>
<p>Many of our nations kids aren&#8217;t alright, but they are the only ones who make the news. </p>
<p>I hope they keep his name suppression; it&#8217;s most likely what the murderer wants.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop now!</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-270024</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let&#039;s see what Mr. James Hill really has to say.  His quote:

&quot;Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted.
Now you know how I feel about the left in this country.
ZING! &quot;

To paraphrase:

&quot;I believe the left in this country should all be killed. Zing!&quot;, said Mr. James Hill (paraphrased) in a national hi-tech blog on the Internet today.

Typical of dimwit knee-jerk reactionaries, radical or otherwise. They fail to take responsibility for anything, are willing to blame anyone else for everything, and whine when you expose them as dimwitted, irresponsible, bombastic hatemongers.  And they have the gall to brag about what virile stud-muffins they are, willing to kill or maim anyone** who doesn&#039;t see things through their viperlike eyes. But, as i said, they whine like any gutless bully when you do stand up to them.

It&#039;s sad this kid was killed.  We have no other facts.  All else is pointless speculation.

** anyone in this case usually includes the likes of disillusioned veterans, teachers, old ladies, small children, Jesus... the usual lefties</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let&#8217;s see what Mr. James Hill really has to say.  His quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted.<br />
Now you know how I feel about the left in this country.<br />
ZING! &#8221;</p>
<p>To paraphrase:</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe the left in this country should all be killed. Zing!&#8221;, said Mr. James Hill (paraphrased) in a national hi-tech blog on the Internet today.</p>
<p>Typical of dimwit knee-jerk reactionaries, radical or otherwise. They fail to take responsibility for anything, are willing to blame anyone else for everything, and whine when you expose them as dimwitted, irresponsible, bombastic hatemongers.  And they have the gall to brag about what virile stud-muffins they are, willing to kill or maim anyone** who doesn&#8217;t see things through their viperlike eyes. But, as i said, they whine like any gutless bully when you do stand up to them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad this kid was killed.  We have no other facts.  All else is pointless speculation.</p>
<p>** anyone in this case usually includes the likes of disillusioned veterans, teachers, old ladies, small children, Jesus&#8230; the usual lefties</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. H. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269727</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. H. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J, It&#039;s called the “mob mentality”. It doesn&#039;t matter what or why, this lower intelligence group gather &#039;round, blame the victim, and throw stones. It just gives them a sadistic pleasure. Sure their opinions are abhorrent, but then so are they.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, It&#8217;s called the “mob mentality”. It doesn&#8217;t matter what or why, this lower intelligence group gather &#8217;round, blame the victim, and throw stones. It just gives them a sadistic pleasure. Sure their opinions are abhorrent, but then so are they.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269456</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I see a lot of judgment and anger toward a young man whose only known crime to us is that he took his parents car.  He had no history of and serious of violent crimes.

In addition there seems to be some speculation as to why he got beat to death. Is it possible just possible that maybe he was just the easiest target for a more violent criminal to pick on and not that he did something to deserve it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I see a lot of judgment and anger toward a young man whose only known crime to us is that he took his parents car.  He had no history of and serious of violent crimes.</p>
<p>In addition there seems to be some speculation as to why he got beat to death. Is it possible just possible that maybe he was just the easiest target for a more violent criminal to pick on and not that he did something to deserve it?</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269442</link>
		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strangling someone ISNT teaching them something...Its KILLING them.

Knocking them in the SIDE, Slapping them in the head, butting them around, is tending towards TEACHING...

I SAY AGIN...Where are the RINGS in the floor to LOCK THEM DOWN...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangling someone ISNT teaching them something&#8230;Its KILLING them.</p>
<p>Knocking them in the SIDE, Slapping them in the head, butting them around, is tending towards TEACHING&#8230;</p>
<p>I SAY AGIN&#8230;Where are the RINGS in the floor to LOCK THEM DOWN&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that kid will never be doing that again.  I guess those parents showed him good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that kid will never be doing that again.  I guess those parents showed him good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. H. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269410</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. H. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can’t find too much humor in prison rape jokes, either. WRT kids, psychos, rabid dogs, and political extremists, I think society has a right to defend itself. I don’t think society has a right to exact revenge or feel joy in another’s misery, no matter how well deserved. Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted. 
Comment by xrayspex — 8/28/2006 @ 11:33 am 
&lt;/i&gt;

Very well put. Thank you for the eloquent summary. Some people here, on this and other topics, have this really nasty habit of blaming the victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can’t find too much humor in prison rape jokes, either. WRT kids, psychos, rabid dogs, and political extremists, I think society has a right to defend itself. I don’t think society has a right to exact revenge or feel joy in another’s misery, no matter how well deserved. Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted.<br />
Comment by xrayspex — 8/28/2006 @ 11:33 am<br />
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<p>Very well put. Thank you for the eloquent summary. Some people here, on this and other topics, have this really nasty habit of blaming the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269374</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;No James, some of us really don’t know how you really feel.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I always know how James feels. He feels hatred.  That&#039;s all right-wingers can feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;No James, some of us really don’t know how you really feel.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I always know how James feels. He feels hatred.  That&#8217;s all right-wingers can feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269348</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the proof that the Theory of Evolution exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the proof that the Theory of Evolution exists.</p>
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		<title>By: willie</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269302</link>
		<dc:creator>willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29 No James, some of us really don&#039;t know how you really feel. Why don;t you really tell us cause I&#039;m really sure that here is at least one person that really gives a shit how you really feel, really!!!

What&#039;s with the Zing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29 No James, some of us really don&#8217;t know how you really feel. Why don;t you really tell us cause I&#8217;m really sure that here is at least one person that really gives a shit how you really feel, really!!!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with the Zing?</p>
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		<title>By: xrayspex</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269277</link>
		<dc:creator>xrayspex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now you know how I feel about the left in this country&lt;/i&gt;

I already knew.  I have been a registered republican since 1973.  I have voted in every election, local and national, since then.  Until 2004, I had never voted for any non-republican candidate (in a partisan race, at least.)  

Smirking fratboy ended that for a LOT of us. 

To paraphrase Churchill, &quot;if you&#039;re not liberal when you&#039;re young, you have no heart.  If you&#039;re not conservative when you&#039;re old, you&#039;re stupid.&quot; 

It&#039;s turned out to be exactly backwards for me.   Not sure what that means, and I don&#039;t really care. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now you know how I feel about the left in this country</i></p>
<p>I already knew.  I have been a registered republican since 1973.  I have voted in every election, local and national, since then.  Until 2004, I had never voted for any non-republican candidate (in a partisan race, at least.)  </p>
<p>Smirking fratboy ended that for a LOT of us. </p>
<p>To paraphrase Churchill, &#8220;if you&#8217;re not liberal when you&#8217;re young, you have no heart.  If you&#8217;re not conservative when you&#8217;re old, you&#8217;re stupid.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s turned out to be exactly backwards for me.   Not sure what that means, and I don&#8217;t really care.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/08/28/son-borrows-parents-car-without-permission-parents-call-police-son-is-arrested-and-killed-on-the-way-to-jail/comment-page-2/#comment-269247</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted.&lt;/i&gt;

Now you know how I feel about the left in this country.

ZING!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted.</i></p>
<p>Now you know how I feel about the left in this country.</p>
<p>ZING!</p>
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		<title>By: JSFORBES</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSFORBES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a shame the kid died…. those guys were probably just trying to knock some sense into him.

Comment by James Hill&quot;

Obviously, the kid needed a lot of sense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a shame the kid died…. those guys were probably just trying to knock some sense into him.</p>
<p>Comment by James Hill&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, the kid needed a lot of sense.</p>
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		<title>By: xrayspex</title>
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		<dc:creator>xrayspex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At least in my black and white world there’s a thing called a sense of humor.  Get a clue. &lt;/i&gt;

I have a pretty good sense of humor about most things.   My response was rude, though.  I apologize. 

I cannot help but have a soft spot in my heart for kids in trouble.

I can&#039;t find too much humor in prison rape jokes, either.   WRT kids, psychos, rabid dogs, and political extremists, I think society has a right to defend itself.   I don&#039;t think society has a right to exact revenge or feel joy in another&#039;s misery, no matter how well deserved.   Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted. 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At least in my black and white world there’s a thing called a sense of humor.  Get a clue. </i></p>
<p>I have a pretty good sense of humor about most things.   My response was rude, though.  I apologize. </p>
<p>I cannot help but have a soft spot in my heart for kids in trouble.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find too much humor in prison rape jokes, either.   WRT kids, psychos, rabid dogs, and political extremists, I think society has a right to defend itself.   I don&#8217;t think society has a right to exact revenge or feel joy in another&#8217;s misery, no matter how well deserved.   Euthanize a rabid animal if necessary, but make it quick, painless, and feel some empathy and sadness for a life wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah. They should get medals. It’s OBVIOUSLY the kid’s fault. What a simple black and white world it must be inside your brain. &lt;/i&gt;

At least in my black and white world there&#039;s a thing called a sense of humor.

Get a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yeah. They should get medals. It’s OBVIOUSLY the kid’s fault. What a simple black and white world it must be inside your brain. </i></p>
<p>At least in my black and white world there&#8217;s a thing called a sense of humor.</p>
<p>Get a clue.</p>
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