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		<title>By: Smartalix</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-2/#comment-292611</link>
		<dc:creator>Smartalix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo,

Then please enlighten us. We can only take your comments on face value. If we don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re trying to say it&#039;s because you aren&#039;t expressing yourself.

BTW, I posted this, not John. 

You&#039;re the one throwing insults around. Where in any of my comments did I insult you? Your childish behavior only makes you the one looking stupid.

So, back to your original comment:

&quot;Wikipedia has no profit to lose. Does this now put Google in a better light? It does for me. &quot;

Please explain what you really mean and I will be more than happy to address that point. Since I wasn&#039;t able to get it the first time please explain your point clearly so I don&#039;t miss it this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milo,</p>
<p>Then please enlighten us. We can only take your comments on face value. If we don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re trying to say it&#8217;s because you aren&#8217;t expressing yourself.</p>
<p>BTW, I posted this, not John. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one throwing insults around. Where in any of my comments did I insult you? Your childish behavior only makes you the one looking stupid.</p>
<p>So, back to your original comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wikipedia has no profit to lose. Does this now put Google in a better light? It does for me. &#8221;</p>
<p>Please explain what you really mean and I will be more than happy to address that point. Since I wasn&#8217;t able to get it the first time please explain your point clearly so I don&#8217;t miss it this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. H. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-2/#comment-292604</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. H. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo,

In this discussion I have leaned to your side while disagreeing with several people. Several others have also leaned in your direction. Now, why would you be upset that not everyone agrees with you. Even if I don&#039;t agree, there have been several questions posed or thoughts brought up that are very worthy of discussion. 

The greatest joy in these discussions shouldn&#039;t be winning the argument. It should be in the learning from what others have to add to the discussion. Not every idea will be a gem, but there are enough to make it worth the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milo,</p>
<p>In this discussion I have leaned to your side while disagreeing with several people. Several others have also leaned in your direction. Now, why would you be upset that not everyone agrees with you. Even if I don&#8217;t agree, there have been several questions posed or thoughts brought up that are very worthy of discussion. </p>
<p>The greatest joy in these discussions shouldn&#8217;t be winning the argument. It should be in the learning from what others have to add to the discussion. Not every idea will be a gem, but there are enough to make it worth the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-2/#comment-292537</link>
		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupid because it should be obvious that the people making them didn&#039;t understand what I wrote. The 2 replies above compounding the original mistake by revealing that they still haven&#039;t.

John makes himself look even stupider yet by basing his response on what I think, which he can&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid because it should be obvious that the people making them didn&#8217;t understand what I wrote. The 2 replies above compounding the original mistake by revealing that they still haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>John makes himself look even stupider yet by basing his response on what I think, which he can&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-2/#comment-291707</link>
		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo thinks the replies to his post are stupid due to the fact that they questioned it or disagreed with it.  You see while Smartalix&#039;s comments in reply in post #22 to Milo&#039;s comment in post #21 are those of a mature intelligent adult that almost anyone of the people who read it can understand they are in error.  You see adults talk differently when speaking to other adults as opposed to talking to children or those who are of diminished mental capacities.  That is the error that Smartalix and others have made.  The following is what Milo wished to see in response.

&quot;Milo you are so smart! Yes you are!  Coochy coochy coo! Yes you are smart!  My big smart fella!  Coochy coochy coo!  Of course it puts google in a better light!  I will say whatever makes my special little fella happy!  Coochy coochy coo!  woogy woogy!&quot;  ;-)

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milo thinks the replies to his post are stupid due to the fact that they questioned it or disagreed with it.  You see while Smartalix&#8217;s comments in reply in post #22 to Milo&#8217;s comment in post #21 are those of a mature intelligent adult that almost anyone of the people who read it can understand they are in error.  You see adults talk differently when speaking to other adults as opposed to talking to children or those who are of diminished mental capacities.  That is the error that Smartalix and others have made.  The following is what Milo wished to see in response.</p>
<p>&#8220;Milo you are so smart! Yes you are!  Coochy coochy coo! Yes you are smart!  My big smart fella!  Coochy coochy coo!  Of course it puts google in a better light!  I will say whatever makes my special little fella happy!  Coochy coochy coo!  woogy woogy!&#8221;  <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Smartalix</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-2/#comment-291639</link>
		<dc:creator>Smartalix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupid in what way? It is even more stupid to simply throw out such an idiotic comment. If you want to criticize, criticize. However, to insult without reason is ignorance. If you have something against the responses to your comment, a more intelligent reply would be a rebuttal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid in what way? It is even more stupid to simply throw out such an idiotic comment. If you want to criticize, criticize. However, to insult without reason is ignorance. If you have something against the responses to your comment, a more intelligent reply would be a rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-2/#comment-291613</link>
		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly what stupid responses to my comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly what stupid responses to my comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. H. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-291497</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. H. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;2,
So you’re saying that one’s support of freedom should be linked to the amount of profit involved? 
Comment by Smartalix — 9/11/2006 @ 7:09 am 
&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, that is the American way. Things like Haliburton, under Dick Cheney, selling nuclear technology to Iran, or IT&amp;T financing the overthrow of a democratically elected President to save the copper mines, or the United Fruit Company paying private armies to kill labor leaders on the Central American banana plantations. Yup, if there is profit, look for an American company to be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>2,<br />
So you’re saying that one’s support of freedom should be linked to the amount of profit involved?<br />
Comment by Smartalix — 9/11/2006 @ 7:09 am<br />
</i></p>
<p>Yes, that is the American way. Things like Haliburton, under Dick Cheney, selling nuclear technology to Iran, or IT&amp;T financing the overthrow of a democratically elected President to save the copper mines, or the United Fruit Company paying private armies to kill labor leaders on the Central American banana plantations. Yup, if there is profit, look for an American company to be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. H. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-291492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. H. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17, &lt;i&gt;#16) Oops, thar should be…
“Most shareholders aren’t just interested in the bottom line. 
Comment by JimR — 9/11/2006 @ 11:10 am 
&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe most shareholders care, but believe it or not, that doesn&#039;t count. Most shares are controlled by brokers and portfolio managers. They are the ones caring about the bottom line and their reaction is reflected in the stock&#039;s price. So while you are your $50,000 of Google stock is important to you, the fund with $5,000,000,000 gets the attention. And most people keep their stock portfolios invested inside high performing funds. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17, <i>#16) Oops, thar should be…<br />
“Most shareholders aren’t just interested in the bottom line.<br />
Comment by JimR — 9/11/2006 @ 11:10 am<br />
</i></p>
<p>Maybe most shareholders care, but believe it or not, that doesn&#8217;t count. Most shares are controlled by brokers and portfolio managers. They are the ones caring about the bottom line and their reaction is reflected in the stock&#8217;s price. So while you are your $50,000 of Google stock is important to you, the fund with $5,000,000,000 gets the attention. And most people keep their stock portfolios invested inside high performing funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-291415</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know if there is a Wikipedia mirror accessible in China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know if there is a Wikipedia mirror accessible in China?</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-290985</link>
		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16) Oops, thar should be...
&quot;Most shareholders &lt;b&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; just interested in the bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16) Oops, thar should be&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Most shareholders <b>aren&#8217;t</b> just interested in the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-290966</link>
		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with smartalix on this one. Most shareholders ar just interested in the bottom line. There are lines that can be crossed... fraud, lies and even behaving in a distasteful or immoral manner. 

Google wasn&#039;t even publically traded (2004) when they started compromising western ideals in China. BUT in January 2006 when the censorship was brought to light, the stock dropped 20% and is only recently recovering to the January share price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with smartalix on this one. Most shareholders ar just interested in the bottom line. There are lines that can be crossed&#8230; fraud, lies and even behaving in a distasteful or immoral manner. </p>
<p>Google wasn&#8217;t even publically traded (2004) when they started compromising western ideals in China. BUT in January 2006 when the censorship was brought to light, the stock dropped 20% and is only recently recovering to the January share price.</p>
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		<title>By: Smartalix</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-290956</link>
		<dc:creator>Smartalix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14,

&quot;…but granted, it didn’t really add anything to the discussion, but who [sic] does?&quot;

The comments that weren&#039;t deleted. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14,</p>
<p>&#8220;…but granted, it didn’t really add anything to the discussion, but who [sic] does?&#8221;</p>
<p>The comments that weren&#8217;t deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: John Urho Kemp</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-290952</link>
		<dc:creator>John Urho Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH great, now we have the moderators here deleting posts because of my comments about SN and his hatred of Wikipedia which is well documented here. 

I commend Wikipedia for standing up to the censorship issues, but obviously Dvorak.org would rather censor their posts. My post didn&#039;t use any bad language, nor was it inaccurate...but granted, it didn&#039;t really add anything to the discussion, but who does? Bravo Wikipedia, shame on you Dvorak.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH great, now we have the moderators here deleting posts because of my comments about SN and his hatred of Wikipedia which is well documented here. </p>
<p>I commend Wikipedia for standing up to the censorship issues, but obviously Dvorak.org would rather censor their posts. My post didn&#8217;t use any bad language, nor was it inaccurate&#8230;but granted, it didn&#8217;t really add anything to the discussion, but who does? Bravo Wikipedia, shame on you Dvorak.org</p>
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		<title>By: Smartalix</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-290926</link>
		<dc:creator>Smartalix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11,

Nope, sorry. One doesn&#039;t get a dispensation from hypocrisy because money is an issue. True, Wikipedia has more leeway because they are not chasing revenue, but they are risking being banned from China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11,</p>
<p>Nope, sorry. One doesn&#8217;t get a dispensation from hypocrisy because money is an issue. True, Wikipedia has more leeway because they are not chasing revenue, but they are risking being banned from China.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/11/wikipedia-shows-some-spine-refuses-chinese-censorship-requests/comment-page-1/#comment-290917</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I bet the online version of the Enciclopaedia Britannica does censor sensitive things because that&#039;s the snobbish way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I bet the online version of the Enciclopaedia Britannica does censor sensitive things because that&#8217;s the snobbish way.</p>
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