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	<title>Comments on: UPDATED: Hacking The Diebold AccuVote-TS To Steal Votes, Infect Other Machines And Not Leave A Trace</title>
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		<title>By: Scooby</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/18/hacking-the-diebold-accuvote-ts-to-steal-votes-infect-other-machines-and-not-leave-a-trace/comment-page-2/#comment-302187</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Voting maching, say hello to Mr. Hammer. </description>
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		<title>By: DannyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DannyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Do you have any updates on the testimony of the Programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis [http://www.clintcurtis.com/] and any impacts this may be having?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Do you have any updates on the testimony of the Programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis [http://www.clintcurtis.com/] and any impacts this may be having?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: traaxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>traaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top 8 reasons why this might be a problem for the Global Carpet Baggers.

1.) The Mexicans in California might, just might feel disenfranchised when voting for our next President.

2.) The &#039;Dead in Chicago&#039; will turn over in their grave, voting for a Republican and not a Democrat really, those NAZI SOBs.  Or will it continue as it has for the last 100 years?

3.) Our Paper trail with mail in ballots will become obsolete,  think of the feeling of negelect in Oregon, where as many as 20 ballots have been delivered to a single family residence.  

4.) King County Public Employees will lose a lot of over time, because they won&#039;t have to recount the votes until a democrat wins. ( You need to live in Washington to understand).

5.)  All the New Yorkers retired in Florida won&#039;t really be able to see the screen and since that generation is usually afaid of any tech they won&#039;t probably vote any way.

6.) Using the Diebold machines will stimulate the economy every two years, after all throwing such an expensive machine into a river is going to add up quickly.  This would of couse be bad for the stock market, unless the machines are made in China then watch out!

7.) This will be a great excuse to get both the United Nation in trying to rig our elections. I can see it now a &#039;Oil for Votes&#039; program, Kofi (A Muslim) probably has other children in need of a fortune.  We need to think Globally while have others rape our country.

8.) Jimmy Carter can once enter into the lime light.   His two last moments were with the Haitian DictatorJean-Bertrand Aristide, the Socialist in President Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.  But then Jimmy said he and Idi Amin had the same view on human rights.  It&#039;s better than pretending to build houses for the poor.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top 8 reasons why this might be a problem for the Global Carpet Baggers.</p>
<p>1.) The Mexicans in California might, just might feel disenfranchised when voting for our next President.</p>
<p>2.) The &#8216;Dead in Chicago&#8217; will turn over in their grave, voting for a Republican and not a Democrat really, those NAZI SOBs.  Or will it continue as it has for the last 100 years?</p>
<p>3.) Our Paper trail with mail in ballots will become obsolete,  think of the feeling of negelect in Oregon, where as many as 20 ballots have been delivered to a single family residence.  </p>
<p>4.) King County Public Employees will lose a lot of over time, because they won&#8217;t have to recount the votes until a democrat wins. ( You need to live in Washington to understand).</p>
<p>5.)  All the New Yorkers retired in Florida won&#8217;t really be able to see the screen and since that generation is usually afaid of any tech they won&#8217;t probably vote any way.</p>
<p>6.) Using the Diebold machines will stimulate the economy every two years, after all throwing such an expensive machine into a river is going to add up quickly.  This would of couse be bad for the stock market, unless the machines are made in China then watch out!</p>
<p>7.) This will be a great excuse to get both the United Nation in trying to rig our elections. I can see it now a &#8216;Oil for Votes&#8217; program, Kofi (A Muslim) probably has other children in need of a fortune.  We need to think Globally while have others rape our country.</p>
<p>8.) Jimmy Carter can once enter into the lime light.   His two last moments were with the Haitian DictatorJean-Bertrand Aristide, the Socialist in President Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.  But then Jimmy said he and Idi Amin had the same view on human rights.  It&#8217;s better than pretending to build houses for the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: AB CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere there is a write in campaign for Samuel L. Jackson for Congress.
Snakes on a Plane, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere there is a write in campaign for Samuel L. Jackson for Congress.<br />
Snakes on a Plane, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/18/hacking-the-diebold-accuvote-ts-to-steal-votes-infect-other-machines-and-not-leave-a-trace/comment-page-1/#comment-300985</link>
		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Write in vote 
#1...
DAFFY DUCK.
If enough of us VOTe for him they have to count it.  And it can shoow we are tired of ALL THIS MESS.

anyone notice that MOSt of the higher elected officials, DIDNT live in your state??  They werent RAISED anywhere near you, but they got the job?  AND then THINK they know your city or state, and HOW its supposed to be run??
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Write in vote<br />
#1&#8230;<br />
DAFFY DUCK.<br />
If enough of us VOTe for him they have to count it.  And it can shoow we are tired of ALL THIS MESS.</p>
<p>anyone notice that MOSt of the higher elected officials, DIDNT live in your state??  They werent RAISED anywhere near you, but they got the job?  AND then THINK they know your city or state, and HOW its supposed to be run??</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh...sorry....California went with Diebolds compititor.....they didn&#039;t trust Diebold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230;sorry&#8230;.California went with Diebolds compititor&#8230;..they didn&#8217;t trust Diebold.</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several qualified companies making the machines.  They all come with a locked and sealed paper ballot that is printed as the voter marks the putor ballot.  The voter can see the paper ballot being printed to check for errors.  Even Diebold has this capability.  The problem with Diebold is this.......the goverment, with Democrats also voting for it, gave Diebold an exclusive contract to provide touch screen for any voting district that wants them for free (the feds pay out of the voter improvement money)....but....when they passed the Diebold contract, they did it for the machines WITHOUT the paper trail.  If the districts want those, they have to pay for them, and they aren&#039;t cheap.

Some larger, richer districts with vocal activists opted for the machines with paper trail and are paying for the machines themselves.  The smaller, poorer districts (white and black) are having a harder time getting them, so they have gone to court to force the goverment to force Diebold to provide tham free as well.  They won&#039;t be done before November, but the case should be settled before the 2008 elections.

I love working the polls.  And I used to listen to the hard core activists bitch about no paper trail and they would refuse to use the new touch screen without the paper trail ballots.  But in the district I worked in the June primary in California, we had gone to the added paper ballot trail, and not one of those activists refused to use them.....in fact they had nothing but praise for them.  By the November elections all of California is supposed to have the touch screen, with paper trail in place.

I just never want to see internet voting.  That&#039;s when the real corruption will begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several qualified companies making the machines.  They all come with a locked and sealed paper ballot that is printed as the voter marks the putor ballot.  The voter can see the paper ballot being printed to check for errors.  Even Diebold has this capability.  The problem with Diebold is this&#8230;&#8230;.the goverment, with Democrats also voting for it, gave Diebold an exclusive contract to provide touch screen for any voting district that wants them for free (the feds pay out of the voter improvement money)&#8230;.but&#8230;.when they passed the Diebold contract, they did it for the machines WITHOUT the paper trail.  If the districts want those, they have to pay for them, and they aren&#8217;t cheap.</p>
<p>Some larger, richer districts with vocal activists opted for the machines with paper trail and are paying for the machines themselves.  The smaller, poorer districts (white and black) are having a harder time getting them, so they have gone to court to force the goverment to force Diebold to provide tham free as well.  They won&#8217;t be done before November, but the case should be settled before the 2008 elections.</p>
<p>I love working the polls.  And I used to listen to the hard core activists bitch about no paper trail and they would refuse to use the new touch screen without the paper trail ballots.  But in the district I worked in the June primary in California, we had gone to the added paper ballot trail, and not one of those activists refused to use them&#8230;..in fact they had nothing but praise for them.  By the November elections all of California is supposed to have the touch screen, with paper trail in place.</p>
<p>I just never want to see internet voting.  That&#8217;s when the real corruption will begin.</p>
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		<title>By: ArianeB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArianeB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with #11

There is another company that maked voting machines that do just that, print out a paper copy that the voter can see to check. It is not necessary to have the person sign their ballot, just give people the ability to view their ballot before they put it in the traditional ballot box.

If one or two say their ballot is wrong and they made a mistake (it happens), they can correct it. If a lot say there are mistakes, you know its fraud. Then add a safeguard where random districts are required to hand count their ballots to compare the results with the electronic tally before an election is certified.

The reason that the paper alternative machines are not being used is of course because they are more expensive.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #11</p>
<p>There is another company that maked voting machines that do just that, print out a paper copy that the voter can see to check. It is not necessary to have the person sign their ballot, just give people the ability to view their ballot before they put it in the traditional ballot box.</p>
<p>If one or two say their ballot is wrong and they made a mistake (it happens), they can correct it. If a lot say there are mistakes, you know its fraud. Then add a safeguard where random districts are required to hand count their ballots to compare the results with the electronic tally before an election is certified.</p>
<p>The reason that the paper alternative machines are not being used is of course because they are more expensive.</p>
<p>Optical Scan FTW!</p>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire electronic voting system was created because the Democrats turned Florida ballot-counting into a fiasco.  How typical that the liberals would then blame computer voting problems on Republicans.

How is it possible for anyone, who hasn&#039;t been in a coma for the last fifteen years, to not see that computer voting booths are a hacker&#039;s dream?  I swear to God, the representatives from blue states are braindead.  And the representatives from red states are gutless for refusing to stand against the idiocy insisted upon by the braindead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire electronic voting system was created because the Democrats turned Florida ballot-counting into a fiasco.  How typical that the liberals would then blame computer voting problems on Republicans.</p>
<p>How is it possible for anyone, who hasn&#8217;t been in a coma for the last fifteen years, to not see that computer voting booths are a hacker&#8217;s dream?  I swear to God, the representatives from blue states are braindead.  And the representatives from red states are gutless for refusing to stand against the idiocy insisted upon by the braindead.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, sounds like not matter who wins the next election that we will have another disputed election result on our hands.  This time it won&#039;t be accusations of hanging chads but of hacked bits.  We will be back to cries of how the election was stolen and add to the general distrust of the electoral process.

There is no perfect solution.  But, I agree with Davick, they should let C.S. grad students across the country have at these machines and let them find the vulnerabilities.  Make a challenge out of it and they will find the flaws and new ways to make it truly secure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, sounds like not matter who wins the next election that we will have another disputed election result on our hands.  This time it won&#8217;t be accusations of hanging chads but of hacked bits.  We will be back to cries of how the election was stolen and add to the general distrust of the electoral process.</p>
<p>There is no perfect solution.  But, I agree with Davick, they should let C.S. grad students across the country have at these machines and let them find the vulnerabilities.  Make a challenge out of it and they will find the flaws and new ways to make it truly secure.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND,
This machine costs HOW MUCH???
dont have checksum protections??
Ram Evaluations??
Data evaluation??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND,<br />
This machine costs HOW MUCH???<br />
dont have checksum protections??<br />
Ram Evaluations??<br />
Data evaluation??</p>
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		<title>By: AB CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it&#039;s fairly simple, except for that pesky little anonymity part.  We do have a secret ballot here, so having voters sign each ballot doesn&#039;t work.  In some places, they produce a computer ballot, which the voter then drops in another machine that tallies the votes.  Seems simple enough.  Or they could just use paper ballots.  A hand count wouldn&#039;t take that long.  And with today&#039;s scanning software, a computer counter could be used as well.  

The only bright side I see in implementing these touch screen voting machines is that it took away the left&#039;s enthusiasm for internet voting, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it&#8217;s fairly simple, except for that pesky little anonymity part.  We do have a secret ballot here, so having voters sign each ballot doesn&#8217;t work.  In some places, they produce a computer ballot, which the voter then drops in another machine that tallies the votes.  Seems simple enough.  Or they could just use paper ballots.  A hand count wouldn&#8217;t take that long.  And with today&#8217;s scanning software, a computer counter could be used as well.  </p>
<p>The only bright side I see in implementing these touch screen voting machines is that it took away the left&#8217;s enthusiasm for internet voting, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: ZeOverMind</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZeOverMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t they design voting machines that print up two hardcopies of the Voter&#039;s ballot?  One hardcopy/ballot could be printed up and given to the voter to make sure that the ballot accurately reflects the voter&#039;s choices.before being submitted official tabulation.  A barcode could be printed on the ballot which would list all the candidates and/or issues that were selected by the voter to speed machine recounts,  To further authenticate the ballot you could optionally have the voter sign the printed ballot verifying that the ballot submitted accurately reflects the voter&#039;s preferences.  (I know there are some issues about anonymity, but it seems that when the punch card system of ballots were being examined in florida during the 2000 election, there were substantial questions about divining &quot;voter intent&quot; on each ballot.  Making the voter sign the ballot to verify his/her votes makes the voter accountable for accuracy.) At the same time as the voter&#039;s ballot is also printed; a second identical record with barcode would be printed and spooled inside the machine under lock and key to leave a backup paper trail of all electronically tabulated votes.  I think this system would allow a quick reporting of all electronic tabulation of votes and if there are any contested races or issues in an election, a ballot that is both human and machine readable  is available for recount and a second hardcopy inside each machine is available for verifying any tampering of the machine itself.

The key of course is to leave a paper trail and not solely relying upon electronic record keeping.  I don&#039;t understand why this is such a difficult issue to resolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they design voting machines that print up two hardcopies of the Voter&#8217;s ballot?  One hardcopy/ballot could be printed up and given to the voter to make sure that the ballot accurately reflects the voter&#8217;s choices.before being submitted official tabulation.  A barcode could be printed on the ballot which would list all the candidates and/or issues that were selected by the voter to speed machine recounts,  To further authenticate the ballot you could optionally have the voter sign the printed ballot verifying that the ballot submitted accurately reflects the voter&#8217;s preferences.  (I know there are some issues about anonymity, but it seems that when the punch card system of ballots were being examined in florida during the 2000 election, there were substantial questions about divining &#8220;voter intent&#8221; on each ballot.  Making the voter sign the ballot to verify his/her votes makes the voter accountable for accuracy.) At the same time as the voter&#8217;s ballot is also printed; a second identical record with barcode would be printed and spooled inside the machine under lock and key to leave a backup paper trail of all electronically tabulated votes.  I think this system would allow a quick reporting of all electronic tabulation of votes and if there are any contested races or issues in an election, a ballot that is both human and machine readable  is available for recount and a second hardcopy inside each machine is available for verifying any tampering of the machine itself.</p>
<p>The key of course is to leave a paper trail and not solely relying upon electronic record keeping.  I don&#8217;t understand why this is such a difficult issue to resolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to prove that elections are riggable, theres no better way than to do it to an real election. Munge it so tbad that hat the count is so obviosly flawed that even a recount won&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to prove that elections are riggable, theres no better way than to do it to an real election. Munge it so tbad that hat the count is so obviosly flawed that even a recount won&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: AB CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why Diebold is the target.  Are they the only ones making computer touch screen voting machines?  If they are the ones, then I&#039;m really confused why the Democrats would push so hard after the 2000 election to enrich Diebold, a Republican company..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why Diebold is the target.  Are they the only ones making computer touch screen voting machines?  If they are the ones, then I&#8217;m really confused why the Democrats would push so hard after the 2000 election to enrich Diebold, a Republican company..</p>
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