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	<title>Comments on: Who Needs Phasers When You Can Fire A Million Rounds A Minute &#8211; The Metal Storm Electronic Guns</title>
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		<title>By: ZeOverMind</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/11/who-needs-phasers-when-you-can-fire-a-million-rounds-a-minute-the-metal-storm-electronic-guns/comment-page-2/#comment-321978</link>
		<dc:creator>ZeOverMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know guys, I will call people on their positions on various articles posted online, but why does everyone have to take what is basically an interesting post and let degenerate into flaming partisanship?  Don&#039;t all of you get enough of that trolling on TV?  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know guys, I will call people on their positions on various articles posted online, but why does everyone have to take what is basically an interesting post and let degenerate into flaming partisanship?  Don&#8217;t all of you get enough of that trolling on TV?  <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stu Mulne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu Mulne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an NRA member....  An &quot;assault weapon&quot; as defined by the Clinton ban is simply an ugly rifle...  The whole thing was nonsense....

But, back on topic, the French made a State Secret out of a similar device (albeit wit a lot less capacity) about 100 years ago.  Extremely slow to reload, and too big to hide.  You have to be able to reload these things and to hide them.  Otherwise the other guy will either just wait until you empty it (doesn&#039;t take long) and/or blow it up with whatever conventional ordnance he&#039;s got handy.

Unfortunately the ADWS is also an easy target....  I&#039;m not excited at all by land mines, but they will stop an advancing enemy if he doesn&#039;t have the technology to neutralize them first.  We have the obligation to build mines that&#039;ll shut themselves off after a known interval.  The technology is there....

And, if you&#039;ll excuse me, I have to go out and clean my assault rifle in case the minefields don&#039;t work....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an NRA member&#8230;.  An &#8220;assault weapon&#8221; as defined by the Clinton ban is simply an ugly rifle&#8230;  The whole thing was nonsense&#8230;.</p>
<p>But, back on topic, the French made a State Secret out of a similar device (albeit wit a lot less capacity) about 100 years ago.  Extremely slow to reload, and too big to hide.  You have to be able to reload these things and to hide them.  Otherwise the other guy will either just wait until you empty it (doesn&#8217;t take long) and/or blow it up with whatever conventional ordnance he&#8217;s got handy.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the ADWS is also an easy target&#8230;.  I&#8217;m not excited at all by land mines, but they will stop an advancing enemy if he doesn&#8217;t have the technology to neutralize them first.  We have the obligation to build mines that&#8217;ll shut themselves off after a known interval.  The technology is there&#8230;.</p>
<p>And, if you&#8217;ll excuse me, I have to go out and clean my assault rifle in case the minefields don&#8217;t work&#8230;.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want a reputable link on &quot;their crap about the right to own assault weapons is inherent&quot; Mr Fusion? Here is one,
 
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/funddocs/billeng.htm

 I call it the Bill of Right, bigots like you may call it &quot;Out Dated White Slave Owner Crap&quot;, but most of us don&#039;t. How about a link proving the NRA is a bunch or hicks? No moonbat junk please, and one again keep your prejudices to yourself. Like most on the far left, when reality conflicts with your ideology, it is reality that must change.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want a reputable link on &#8220;their crap about the right to own assault weapons is inherent&#8221; Mr Fusion? Here is one,</p>
<p><a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/funddocs/billeng.htm" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/funddocs/billeng.htm' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/funddocs/billeng.htm</a></p>
<p> I call it the Bill of Right, bigots like you may call it &#8220;Out Dated White Slave Owner Crap&#8221;, but most of us don&#8217;t. How about a link proving the NRA is a bunch or hicks? No moonbat junk please, and one again keep your prejudices to yourself. Like most on the far left, when reality conflicts with your ideology, it is reality that must change.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/11/who-needs-phasers-when-you-can-fire-a-million-rounds-a-minute-the-metal-storm-electronic-guns/comment-page-2/#comment-321601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21, Ron, &lt;i&gt;Angel, please keep your prejudices to yourself. NRA members aren’t ignorant hicks who talk like that....
&lt;/i&gt;

OK, I&#039;m calling you on that. If you have a reputable link that could prove they aren&#039;t, I&#039;ll buy it. Until then, I&#039;ll let the NRA continue to believe their crap about the right to own assault weapons is inherent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21, Ron, <i>Angel, please keep your prejudices to yourself. NRA members aren’t ignorant hicks who talk like that&#8230;.<br />
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<p>OK, I&#8217;m calling you on that. If you have a reputable link that could prove they aren&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll buy it. Until then, I&#8217;ll let the NRA continue to believe their crap about the right to own assault weapons is inherent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel, please keep your prejudices to yourself. NRA members aren&#039;t ignorant hicks who talk like that. Also, if you ever listened to any gun owner, would know guns aren&#039;t toys. Plus Americans don&#039;t need an excuse to own firearms, they have a Constitutional right, you should look it up sometime. Not to mention that no one thinks civilians should own 40mm grenade launches as this system can be. Try thinking for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel, please keep your prejudices to yourself. NRA members aren&#8217;t ignorant hicks who talk like that. Also, if you ever listened to any gun owner, would know guns aren&#8217;t toys. Plus Americans don&#8217;t need an excuse to own firearms, they have a Constitutional right, you should look it up sometime. Not to mention that no one thinks civilians should own 40mm grenade launches as this system can be. Try thinking for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet the NRA is lobbying to make it a civilian toy, and their excuse? &quot;Them ducks fer sure are gettin&#039; doggone smarter each year.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet the NRA is lobbying to make it a civilian toy, and their excuse? &#8220;Them ducks fer sure are gettin&#8217; doggone smarter each year.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ballenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ballenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait until one of these falls into the hands of a criminal.  This technology could be almost as dangerous as electronic voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until one of these falls into the hands of a criminal.  This technology could be almost as dangerous as electronic voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I remember seeing an article on this weapon back in the mid 90&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I remember seeing an article on this weapon back in the mid 90&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another use of this I have seen is that you can replace a minefield with it, and when the conflict is over, you just pick it up and go home, and you don&#039;t leave a real minefield for years and years after. It may also replace the CIWS (Close In Weapon System) that the US and other navies use to protect ships from missles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another use of this I have seen is that you can replace a minefield with it, and when the conflict is over, you just pick it up and go home, and you don&#8217;t leave a real minefield for years and years after. It may also replace the CIWS (Close In Weapon System) that the US and other navies use to protect ships from missles.</p>
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		<title>By: GGC</title>
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		<dc:creator>GGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8: actually, assuming you are using the right round in the right rifle, .223 is accurate out to 300+ yards for the average rifleman, and 600+ yards for a good rifleman.

They don&#039;t tumble until they hit something. If you couldn&#039;t hit anything with them, they wouldn&#039;t be lethal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: actually, assuming you are using the right round in the right rifle, .223 is accurate out to 300+ yards for the average rifleman, and 600+ yards for a good rifleman.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t tumble until they hit something. If you couldn&#8217;t hit anything with them, they wouldn&#8217;t be lethal.</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3:  And speaking of phalanx: Phalanx CWIS is the name of a multi-barreled gattling gun used as a last line of defense for Navy ships against incoming missiles.  It fires up to 4,500 rounds / min. of depleted uranium or tungsten.  I video taped one in operation in the middle of the Pacific once.  Had to run the camera remotely for the toxic smoke.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-15.htm

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3:  And speaking of phalanx: Phalanx CWIS is the name of a multi-barreled gattling gun used as a last line of defense for Navy ships against incoming missiles.  It fires up to 4,500 rounds / min. of depleted uranium or tungsten.  I video taped one in operation in the middle of the Pacific once.  Had to run the camera remotely for the toxic smoke.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-15.htm" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-15.htm' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-15.htm</a></p>
<p>RBG</p>
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		<title>By: Zuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KICK-ASS!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KICK-ASS!!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most impressive fairly new weapon systems is the CBU-97 and CBU-105 (BLU-108/B submunition), Textron Systems&#039; Sensor Fuzed Weapon (SFW).  Takes out an entire armored column in one nice shot, plus leaves a clean battlefield.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ua3nLmE7Kow
http://www.systems.textron.com/movies/sfw_2003.wmv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most impressive fairly new weapon systems is the CBU-97 and CBU-105 (BLU-108/B submunition), Textron Systems&#8217; Sensor Fuzed Weapon (SFW).  Takes out an entire armored column in one nice shot, plus leaves a clean battlefield.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=ua3nLmE7Kow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://youtube.com/watch?v=ua3nLmE7Kow' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=ua3nLmE7Kow</a><br />
<a href="http://www.systems.textron.com/movies/sfw_2003.wmv" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.systems.textron.com/movies/sfw_2003.wmv' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.systems.textron.com/movies/sfw_2003.wmv</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10: It has to do with the speed it can shoot and reload and shoot again, not that anyone would actually shoot it for a minute.  There are 36 barrels which fire sequentaily, so 1 million/36 is how many each barrel can fire per minute.  Here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;pretty good description&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt; of how the gun works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10: It has to do with the speed it can shoot and reload and shoot again, not that anyone would actually shoot it for a minute.  There are 36 barrels which fire sequentaily, so 1 million/36 is how many each barrel can fire per minute.  Here is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><u>pretty good description</u></a> of how the gun works.</p>
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		<title>By: xrayspex</title>
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		<dc:creator>xrayspex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but I am just trying to figure out how someone has calculated 1,000,000 rounds per minute exactly&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s how I do it:

count the number of cases of bullets I have before I start target practice. 

Recount the  number of cases of bullets I have after I finish target practice. 

Subtract and find the difference.   Divide by the number of minutes I spent practicing.  Multiply by the number of bullets per case (usually 1,000). 

I usually average around 1 round per minute, which even at surplus ammo prices gets pricy. 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but I am just trying to figure out how someone has calculated 1,000,000 rounds per minute exactly</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I do it:</p>
<p>count the number of cases of bullets I have before I start target practice. </p>
<p>Recount the  number of cases of bullets I have after I finish target practice. </p>
<p>Subtract and find the difference.   Divide by the number of minutes I spent practicing.  Multiply by the number of bullets per case (usually 1,000). </p>
<p>I usually average around 1 round per minute, which even at surplus ammo prices gets pricy.</p>
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