Comments on: STOP THE PRESSES!! SOVIETS CHEATED AT CHESS??? WOW!!! A REVELATION!! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:29:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: woktiny http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-328731 woktiny Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:41:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-328731 serperate from the who cares crowd... so? is it wrong for a nation to send its best players to competitions? is this any different? serperate from the who cares crowd…

so?

is it wrong for a nation to send its best players to competitions? is this any different?

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-328153 Mr. Fusion Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:31:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-328153 I'm with the who cares crowd. What happened happened. Get over it. If it is that important to you, learn the lesson and watch for cheating next match. Then go home and kiss your wife and play with your kid. I’m with the who cares crowd. What happened happened. Get over it. If it is that important to you, learn the lesson and watch for cheating next match. Then go home and kiss your wife and play with your kid.

]]> By: joshua http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-328111 joshua Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:51:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-328111 This is what happens when you recruit people who excell in a sport over those with Academic abilities. Next, you'll be telling me that Amatures where being given phoney jobs in the off season, so they would have an income while they secretly trained. This is what happens when you recruit people who excell in a sport over those with Academic abilities.
Next, you’ll be telling me that Amatures where being given phoney jobs in the off season, so they would have an income while they secretly trained.

]]> By: Locke http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327941 Locke Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:39:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327941 Way to be a conspirasist! Legendary chess players (or, anything players) tend to either stick togather or be enemies. And, yes, if the players stuck together, then it could've been a friendly deal to help each other out. But, more importantly, There is no proof of such a deal taking place, as obviously, on a international stage, there is more patriatism at play, as well as more pressure to win, and thus better performance. Way to be a conspirasist! Legendary chess players (or, anything players) tend to either stick togather or be enemies. And, yes, if the players stuck together, then it could’ve been a friendly deal to help each other out. But, more importantly, There is no proof of such a deal taking place, as obviously, on a international stage, there is more patriatism at play, as well as more pressure to win, and thus better performance.

]]> By: KB http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327758 KB Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:59:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327758 "And, I’ll bet they used performance enhancing drugs, too ! …"--Bob Don't get me started. That's another hot topic in the world of chess. First they tell us that illicit drugs adversely affect our mental faculties, then we are told that chess players should be drug-tested to make sure they are not taking drugs that improve their play. I love the logic of the war on drugs. I want to know which drug will make me play a better game of chess. “And, I’ll bet they used performance enhancing drugs, too ! …”–Bob

Don’t get me started. That’s another hot topic in the world of chess. First they tell us that illicit drugs adversely affect our mental faculties, then we are told that chess players should be drug-tested to make sure they are not taking drugs that improve their play. I love the logic of the war on drugs. I want to know which drug will make me play a better game of chess.

]]> By: Bob http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327634 Bob Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:26:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327634 And, I'll bet they used performance enhancing drugs, too ! ... And, I’ll bet they used performance enhancing drugs, too ! …

]]> By: tallwookie http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327570 tallwookie Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:45:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327570 no more than americans cheat at card games no more than americans cheat at card games

]]> By: Mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327519 Mark Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:16:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327519 You sports fanatics. Tch,Tch. You sports fanatics. Tch,Tch.

]]> By: jbellies http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327380 jbellies Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:57:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327380 improbus cares enough to ask who cares. That's a pretty high level of caring. 47 times out of 78, that means the subject cares more about the issue at hand than about toilet paper patterns .... The result is not surprising, for many reasons. Take just this one reason. You come to a tournament in an entourage with other Soviet players. The large group includes muscular gentlemen whose exact roles aren't clear to you. As a collectivist society, you share information such as opening preparation with each other. If there is an adjourned game, some or all of the other Soviet players will help analyze it over night while you get your sleep. This working together is totally above board, in accordance with the rules. So, who ya' gonna' try harder to defeat? Just last weekend I played in a tournament where draws were rewarded with only 40% of the total points which go to a victory. In usual tournaments a draw is "splitting the point", in other words 100% payback. The event was called a GM Slugfest. Here http://www.slugfest7.com/public/department2.cfm is the link. The home page looks strangely, as though all involved are obsessed with money. There's more content in the pages that branch out from there. Oh yeah, if you want, you can vote for some of my games as your favorite. improbus cares enough to ask who cares. That’s a pretty high level of caring. 47 times out of 78, that means the subject cares more about the issue at hand than about toilet paper patterns ….

The result is not surprising, for many reasons. Take just this one reason. You come to a tournament in an entourage with other Soviet players. The large group includes muscular gentlemen whose exact roles aren’t clear to you. As a collectivist society, you share information such as opening preparation with each other. If there is an adjourned game, some or all of the other Soviet players will help analyze it over night while you get your sleep. This working together is totally above board, in accordance with the rules.

So, who ya’ gonna’ try harder to defeat?

Just last weekend I played in a tournament where draws were rewarded with only 40% of the total points which go to a victory. In usual tournaments a draw is “splitting the point”, in other words 100% payback. The event was called a GM Slugfest. Here
http://www.slugfest7.com/public/department2.cfm
is the link. The home page looks strangely, as though all involved are obsessed with money. There’s more content in the pages that branch out from there. Oh yeah, if you want, you can vote for some of my games as your favorite.

]]> By: K B http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327316 K B Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:31:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327316 "Who cares, really?" To chess players, the story will be either interesting or amusing. You have to know the history to understand the study. “Who cares, really?”

To chess players, the story will be either interesting or amusing. You have to know the history to understand the study.

]]> By: Improbus http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327300 Improbus Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:18:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327300 Who cares, really? Who cares, really?

]]> By: TJGeezer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/10/17/stop-the-presses-soviets-cheated-at-chess-wow-a-revelation/comment-page-1/#comment-327276 TJGeezer Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:04:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7578#comment-327276 Statistical differences in player performance between international and internal tournament play don't necessarily prove collusion. Then again, if the corner store clerk who can't count change always errs in the store's favor... From 1940 through 1964 did ANYTHING of note happen in the USSR that wasn't overseen by government apparatchiks? Statistical differences in player performance between international and internal tournament play don’t necessarily prove collusion. Then again, if the corner store clerk who can’t count change always errs in the store’s favor…

From 1940 through 1964 did ANYTHING of note happen in the USSR that wasn’t overseen by government apparatchiks?

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