Comments on: Rumsfeld gone, too! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:46:40 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Gary Marks http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-364833 Gary Marks Mon, 13 Nov 2006 02:39:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-364833 #63 Moral Volcano, it's both interesting and confusing to read how some of these American businessmen benefited from, and helped support, the Nazi war machine. It's a maze of stock ownership, holding companies, banking relationships, and board directorships almost complex enough to evade pinning them down to any direct responsibility for the crimes and ultimate near-success of the regime. "The business of America is business." --Calvin Coolidge #63 Moral Volcano, it’s both interesting and confusing to read how some of these American businessmen benefited from, and helped support, the Nazi war machine. It’s a maze of stock ownership, holding companies, banking relationships, and board directorships almost complex enough to evade pinning them down to any direct responsibility for the crimes and ultimate near-success of the regime.

“The business of America is business.”
–Calvin Coolidge

]]> By: Moral Volcano http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-363699 Moral Volcano Sun, 12 Nov 2006 02:29:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-363699 <i>59. Sometimes history almost seems like a broken record, playing the same old themes again and again.</i> As Mark Twain said, history does not repeat itself but it rhymes a lot. Even Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush was accused of trading with the enemy (Nazis) and had his business seized. 59. Sometimes history almost seems like a broken record, playing the same old themes again and again.

As Mark Twain said, history does not repeat itself but it rhymes a lot.

Even Bush’s grandfather Prescott Bush was accused of trading with the enemy (Nazis) and had his business seized.

]]> By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-361504 OhForTheLoveOf Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:40:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-361504 #21 <i> - After years of unaccountability, state of denial and dodging his direct responsibility, we can say, referring to his own words directed at Belgium in 2003 after threatening to move the NATO HQ out of Brussels: ‘Rumsfeld has learned his lesson: there are consequences to his actions’. Comment by Govert — 11/8/2006 @ 11:18 am</i> What consequences? He'll be rewarded with a cushy gig at halliburton or some such thing. The consequence is that he'll have to get a bigger house and a nicer car than the already big house and nice car that he has now. A real consequence would be answering to a war crimes tribunal at the Hague... But we know the war criminals running the White House are immune to justice. #21 – After years of unaccountability, state of denial and dodging his direct responsibility, we can say, referring to his own words directed at Belgium in 2003 after threatening to move the NATO HQ out of Brussels: ‘Rumsfeld has learned his lesson: there are consequences to his actions’.

Comment by Govert — 11/8/2006 @ 11:18 am

What consequences? He’ll be rewarded with a cushy gig at halliburton or some such thing. The consequence is that he’ll have to get a bigger house and a nicer car than the already big house and nice car that he has now.

A real consequence would be answering to a war crimes tribunal at the Hague… But we know the war criminals running the White House are immune to justice.

]]> By: Richard http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-361474 Richard Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:15:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-361474 We need to pull our troops out of Iraq now! How many more American soldiers have to die? We need to pull our troops out of Iraq now! How many more American soldiers have to die?

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-361412 RBG Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:08:23 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-361412 59. While you may be absolutely right in your analysis, my point was far more prosaic in that I was attempting to merely point out that none of us necessarily really know who we are shaking hands with or what will become of that person later; not to mention that sometimes, for circumstantial, social, polite business or diplomatic reasons, we must shake hands. Does anybody know who are or what is behind all the people we give our money to when we buy products? RBG 59. While you may be absolutely right in your analysis, my point was far more prosaic in that I was attempting to merely point out that none of us necessarily really know who we are shaking hands with or what will become of that person later; not to mention that sometimes, for circumstantial, social, polite business or diplomatic reasons, we must shake hands. Does anybody know who are or what is behind all the people we give our money to when we buy products?

RBG

]]> By: Gary Marks http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-361392 Gary Marks Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:46:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-361392 Correct, #58 RBG -- there is plenty of inconvenient truth to go around on this issue. The Reagan administration's rationale was that "the enemy of our enemy is our friend," whereas the embrace of fascist ideas by certain American business moguls in the 1930's was seen as a means to control labor and keep wealth in the correct hands. Sometimes history almost seems like a broken record, playing the same old themes again and again. Correct, #58 RBG — there is plenty of inconvenient truth to go around on this issue. The Reagan administration’s rationale was that “the enemy of our enemy is our friend,” whereas the embrace of fascist ideas by certain American business moguls in the 1930’s was seen as a means to control labor and keep wealth in the correct hands.

Sometimes history almost seems like a broken record, playing the same old themes again and again.

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-361301 RBG Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:03:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-361301 57. You'll find those tapes next to the ones that show Joe Kennedy and a number of major U.S., and western diplomats, and business mogols shaking hands with Hitler. Bush has already sent OJ to look for the WMD. RBG 57. You’ll find those tapes next to the ones that show Joe Kennedy and a number of major U.S., and western diplomats, and business mogols shaking hands with Hitler.

Bush has already sent OJ to look for the WMD.

RBG

]]> By: Moral Volcano http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-361111 Moral Volcano Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:22:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-361111 Now Rumsfeld can go to "the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat" and find those weapons of mass destruction. Or, he could go and erase those tapes of him shaking hands with Saddam (circa 19830 Now Rumsfeld can go to “the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat” and find those weapons of mass destruction. Or, he could go and erase those tapes of him shaking hands with Saddam (circa 19830

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-360906 Greg Allen Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:59:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360906 I am such a kneejerk liberal that I actually felt sorry for Rumsfeld when I heard the news. This guy should be in his slippers, yelling at the neighborhood kids to keep off his lawn. It was insane to let him run two wars. I am such a kneejerk liberal that I actually felt sorry for Rumsfeld when I heard the news.

This guy should be in his slippers, yelling at the neighborhood kids to keep off his lawn. It was insane to let him run two wars.

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-360780 RBG Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:37:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360780 Or worse, like when liberals mess with the truth as in that photo. RBG Or worse, like when liberals mess with the truth as in that photo.

RBG

]]> By: Mr. H. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-360677 Mr. H. Fusion Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:53:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360677 Goodbye Mr Rumsfeld. Judging from your picture, it looks like you got your little weenie in your fly. Don't you just hate it when that happens. Goodbye Mr Rumsfeld. Judging from your picture, it looks like you got your little weenie in your fly. Don’t you just hate it when that happens.

]]> By: Mr. H. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-360674 Mr. H. Fusion Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:51:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360674 #42, How about Rice resign because she stated in defense of the Iraq policy that while the strategy was right, we made too many tactical errors. In other words, the Administration planned correctly, but the troops and marines couldn't do their jobs right. The Mid-East? Not only does the Administration NOT have a policy, she waited until hundreds of civilians had been killed by Israel before deciding the war was a bad thing. The credit for stopping the war belongs more with Kofi Annan and the EU then does anything any American did. European friendship? Where? Bush overspent any friendship he may have had and Rice hasn't done anything to regain it. If she is so good at her job, then we would expect some policy and allies. Because there is neither, she can't be very good. Or maybe she is just good at not doing what she should be doing. #42, How about Rice resign because she stated in defense of the Iraq policy that while the strategy was right, we made too many tactical errors. In other words, the Administration planned correctly, but the troops and marines couldn’t do their jobs right.

The Mid-East? Not only does the Administration NOT have a policy, she waited until hundreds of civilians had been killed by Israel before deciding the war was a bad thing. The credit for stopping the war belongs more with Kofi Annan and the EU then does anything any American did.

European friendship? Where? Bush overspent any friendship he may have had and Rice hasn’t done anything to regain it.

If she is so good at her job, then we would expect some policy and allies. Because there is neither, she can’t be very good. Or maybe she is just good at not doing what she should be doing.

]]> By: Ballenger http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-360612 Ballenger Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:34:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360612 Why should Condoleeza Rice resign? How about because there are 1160 people, whose last names start with the letters "LeFluerber" at the State Department, more qualified for the job. If that's not a good enough reason, she's fourth in line for Presidential Succession. Is that bad because of her sex or race? No, it's because anyone called upon to replace the President shouldn't be a political flunky who's chief qualification is, uh, er, uh, well being a political flunky. Why should Condoleeza Rice resign? How about because there are 1160 people, whose last names start with the letters “LeFluerber” at the State Department, more qualified for the job. If that’s not a good enough reason, she’s fourth in line for Presidential Succession. Is that bad because of her sex or race? No, it’s because anyone called upon to replace the President shouldn’t be a political flunky who’s chief qualification is, uh, er, uh, well being a political flunky.

]]> By: AB CD http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-2/#comment-360595 AB CD Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:09:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360595 Yes Rumsfeld was pushing for war in Iraq years ago, but that had nothing to do with his job as Sec Def. which he handled very well. Last I checked, there were lots of people who pushed for war like the President, and Congress authorized it. I have more respect for guys like Jim Webb going after a Senator who voted for war, then people who go after a guy who has done a great job. By the way, the neocons were calling for Rumsfeld's resignation in July 2001. Yes Rumsfeld was pushing for war in Iraq years ago, but that had nothing to do with his job as Sec Def. which he handled very well. Last I checked, there were lots of people who pushed for war like the President, and Congress authorized it. I have more respect for guys like Jim Webb going after a Senator who voted for war, then people who go after a guy who has done a great job. By the way, the neocons were calling for Rumsfeld’s resignation in July 2001.

]]> By: doug http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/08/rumsfeld-gone-too/comment-page-1/#comment-360551 doug Thu, 09 Nov 2006 02:27:23 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=7930#comment-360551 of course, now the only remaining question is - when is Rummy going to get the Medal of Freedom for his heck of a job in Iraq? of course, now the only remaining question is – when is Rummy going to get the Medal of Freedom for his heck of a job in Iraq?

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