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		<title>By: apay</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-2/#comment-1434213</link>
		<dc:creator>apay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a student and i need a lot of information in our debate(should student allowed to bring cellphone inside the campus)</description>
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		<title>By: Abram Cove</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-2/#comment-370508</link>
		<dc:creator>Abram Cove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

MPEG! MPEG!

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<p>MPEG! MPEG!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-2/#comment-370098</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

Here are just two examples of the possible effects, a google search will produce many many more. 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3858

http://www.isracast.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=57</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>Here are just two examples of the possible effects, a google search will produce many many more. </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3858" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3858' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3858</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.isracast.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=57" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.isracast.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=57' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.isracast.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=57</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sundog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-370091</link>
		<dc:creator>Sundog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve -  The three girls in the story walked out into a busy intersection oblivious to oncoming traffic. Its not the use of the phone but the misuse of it. The data is not all in yet, but there does seem to be some connection between heavy cell phone use and possible damaging physical effects. Before everyone gets crazy about this, remember, cigarettes used to be &quot;good&quot; for you. There are many studies that contradict the above, I say follow the money. As an electrical engineer, I cannot believe that placing even low levels of microwave radiation that close to the brain can be a good thing. Again the studies funded by the cell phone industry will certainly contradict this, unsurprisingly. And I posit that most teens and many adults use them excessively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211;  The three girls in the story walked out into a busy intersection oblivious to oncoming traffic. Its not the use of the phone but the misuse of it. The data is not all in yet, but there does seem to be some connection between heavy cell phone use and possible damaging physical effects. Before everyone gets crazy about this, remember, cigarettes used to be &#8220;good&#8221; for you. There are many studies that contradict the above, I say follow the money. As an electrical engineer, I cannot believe that placing even low levels of microwave radiation that close to the brain can be a good thing. Again the studies funded by the cell phone industry will certainly contradict this, unsurprisingly. And I posit that most teens and many adults use them excessively.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-370023</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1, I hear comments like that all the time...&quot;KIDS THESE DAYS! They&#039;re ALL talking on their Cell Phones!! IN MY DAY...&quot;

But you failed to mention why it was bad to see teens 3 abreast all on their phones...So what?

Why am I insane for giving my 10 year old a cell phone.   It&#039;s been great.  1) she doesn&#039;t tie up my phone line.  2) I can get a hold of her whenever I need to.  3) When out shopping, if we get separated, she is contactable in seconds 4) It&#039;s a safety thing...if nobody&#039;s home and she&#039;s locked out, she can get a hold of us immediately...no begging the neighbors to use the phone.  5) It has taught her responsibility.  She knows if she uses it during peak time for frivolous reasons, and runs a bill up, she loses it.  She hasn&#039;t even come CLOSE once.

I&#039;m just wondering WHY kids with phones is such a big bad thing.   &quot;Because, look at them...they USE THEM!!!!&quot;  That&#039;s the crux of your argument.  I&#039;m seriously curious what insanity I have wrought without even knowing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1, I hear comments like that all the time&#8230;&#8221;KIDS THESE DAYS! They&#8217;re ALL talking on their Cell Phones!! IN MY DAY&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But you failed to mention why it was bad to see teens 3 abreast all on their phones&#8230;So what?</p>
<p>Why am I insane for giving my 10 year old a cell phone.   It&#8217;s been great.  1) she doesn&#8217;t tie up my phone line.  2) I can get a hold of her whenever I need to.  3) When out shopping, if we get separated, she is contactable in seconds 4) It&#8217;s a safety thing&#8230;if nobody&#8217;s home and she&#8217;s locked out, she can get a hold of us immediately&#8230;no begging the neighbors to use the phone.  5) It has taught her responsibility.  She knows if she uses it during peak time for frivolous reasons, and runs a bill up, she loses it.  She hasn&#8217;t even come CLOSE once.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering WHY kids with phones is such a big bad thing.   &#8220;Because, look at them&#8230;they USE THEM!!!!&#8221;  That&#8217;s the crux of your argument.  I&#8217;m seriously curious what insanity I have wrought without even knowing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lavi</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-369961</link>
		<dc:creator>Lavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17, I second that...</description>
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		<title>By: James Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-369744</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I approve of anything that allows a teenage boy to hand something to a teenage girl, of which she immedeatly stuffs in her underware.

The sooner we can start to train women, the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I approve of anything that allows a teenage boy to hand something to a teenage girl, of which she immedeatly stuffs in her underware.</p>
<p>The sooner we can start to train women, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: jnichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>jnichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I found a rather nice solution to the cell phone/teen issue.  We bought her a Firefly.  The phone can call 911, but other than that, it can only call numbers that you input for her.  There&#039;s a password used to change the phone directory, and she&#039;s pretty tech-illiterate, so I don&#039;t see her hacking it anytime soon.  Plus, she can&#039;t recieve calls from any numbers other than those in her directory.  This way, she can call 911, she can call us and her grandparents...that&#039;s it.  If we think she can use it responsibly, we&#039;ll add some of her friends to the list...if we think she&#039;s abusing it, we take those numbers back off.  Plus it&#039;s a cute phone and strobes all sorts of colors.  So she got over the limitations pretty quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I found a rather nice solution to the cell phone/teen issue.  We bought her a Firefly.  The phone can call 911, but other than that, it can only call numbers that you input for her.  There&#8217;s a password used to change the phone directory, and she&#8217;s pretty tech-illiterate, so I don&#8217;t see her hacking it anytime soon.  Plus, she can&#8217;t recieve calls from any numbers other than those in her directory.  This way, she can call 911, she can call us and her grandparents&#8230;that&#8217;s it.  If we think she can use it responsibly, we&#8217;ll add some of her friends to the list&#8230;if we think she&#8217;s abusing it, we take those numbers back off.  Plus it&#8217;s a cute phone and strobes all sorts of colors.  So she got over the limitations pretty quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-369390</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my school (primarily white, pseudo wealthy, in a Baltimore suburb) we have had a more relaxed policy every year.  In 2003 when I was a freshman it was zero tolerance. If a teacher saw a phone it was immedialty taken away and sent to the office. Phones were not allowed in school.

In 2004 we were allowed to bring our phones in if they were turned off and in our lockers.

This year we are allowed to have our phones on us if they are turned off.

It is sort of silly to even have these rules. As more and more devices have wireless service built into them they will have reevaluate what it means to be a &quot;cell phone&quot;. 

I am a huge nerd. I have a Toughbook with integrated EVDO and 802.11g. If I brought that in would I have violated the cell phone rule?

I also have one of those stupid MSN Direct watches (I no longer have service though) would that be considered a cell phone?

I am sure in 10-20 years time every portable device we have will be wireless and Internet enabled. K-12 will have to adapt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my school (primarily white, pseudo wealthy, in a Baltimore suburb) we have had a more relaxed policy every year.  In 2003 when I was a freshman it was zero tolerance. If a teacher saw a phone it was immedialty taken away and sent to the office. Phones were not allowed in school.</p>
<p>In 2004 we were allowed to bring our phones in if they were turned off and in our lockers.</p>
<p>This year we are allowed to have our phones on us if they are turned off.</p>
<p>It is sort of silly to even have these rules. As more and more devices have wireless service built into them they will have reevaluate what it means to be a &#8220;cell phone&#8221;. </p>
<p>I am a huge nerd. I have a Toughbook with integrated EVDO and 802.11g. If I brought that in would I have violated the cell phone rule?</p>
<p>I also have one of those stupid MSN Direct watches (I no longer have service though) would that be considered a cell phone?</p>
<p>I am sure in 10-20 years time every portable device we have will be wireless and Internet enabled. K-12 will have to adapt.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew B.</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-369238</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my school, we are not allowed to have our cell phones without teacher permission and if we do not have permission they are taken away permanently.  It seems to work but there still is the way to get around that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my school, we are not allowed to have our cell phones without teacher permission and if we do not have permission they are taken away permanently.  It seems to work but there still is the way to get around that.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>during one of those school shooting incidents, cell phones gave law enforcement a look inside. this issue cuts both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>during one of those school shooting incidents, cell phones gave law enforcement a look inside. this issue cuts both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Sundog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-369030</link>
		<dc:creator>Sundog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re unsure why its a good think to have this network of rapid communication available in case of an emergency, may I please direct your attention to the reason there’s a metal detector in the first place…&quot;

You said it, for emergency purpose I agree. But you will NEVER EVER be able to enforce that..I see this as a peer pressure issue. I am so glad I dont have kids, I am sure they would hate me because they would not get a cell phone. &quot;but dad, EVERYBODY HAS ONE BUT ME&quot;

This is why your kids are spoiled. Flame away.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re unsure why its a good think to have this network of rapid communication available in case of an emergency, may I please direct your attention to the reason there’s a metal detector in the first place…&#8221;</p>
<p>You said it, for emergency purpose I agree. But you will NEVER EVER be able to enforce that..I see this as a peer pressure issue. I am so glad I dont have kids, I am sure they would hate me because they would not get a cell phone. &#8220;but dad, EVERYBODY HAS ONE BUT ME&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why your kids are spoiled. Flame away.</p>
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		<title>By: DeLeMa</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeLeMa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can JCD change the photo advertising his &quot;diploma&quot; ? Use one showing &quot;where the sun don&#039;t shine&quot; maybe ?!? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can JCD change the photo advertising his &#8220;diploma&#8221; ? Use one showing &#8220;where the sun don&#8217;t shine&#8221; maybe ?!?</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/16/girls-hide-cell-phones-where-the-sun-dont-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-368998</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t want phones blocked in or banned from schools.  You want the kids to turn them to silent and not play with them during class.

If you&#039;re unsure why its a good think to have this network of rapid communication available in case of an emergency, may I please direct your attention to the reason there&#039;s a metal detector in the first place...

They should be learning how to use their cellphones appropriately to the setting, not being told that they have no place in the setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t want phones blocked in or banned from schools.  You want the kids to turn them to silent and not play with them during class.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re unsure why its a good think to have this network of rapid communication available in case of an emergency, may I please direct your attention to the reason there&#8217;s a metal detector in the first place&#8230;</p>
<p>They should be learning how to use their cellphones appropriately to the setting, not being told that they have no place in the setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet these girls have their cell phones in Vibrate, something quite in line with the Harry Potter Nimbus 2000 broom ( http://tinyurl.com/adt8n )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet these girls have their cell phones in Vibrate, something quite in line with the Harry Potter Nimbus 2000 broom ( <a href="http://tinyurl.com/adt8n" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/adt8n' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/adt8n</a> )</p>
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