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	<title>Comments on: Update: UCLA police tazered a student twice because he didn&#8217;t have his campus ID!</title>
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		<title>By: forrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cops went to far when they tazed the student because he asked a hard question to Kerry. Some one had to have started to provoke the cops into tazing the student</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cops went to far when they tazed the student because he asked a hard question to Kerry. Some one had to have started to provoke the cops into tazing the student</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Killby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Killby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The officers did nothing wrong here. Just becuase the student belonged to a minority group, he&#039;s claiming he&#039;s above the law and isn&#039;t subject to questioning, have some respect for the police if you want them to protect your rights. If he had cooperated everything would have been fine, but he&#039;s being a smart alec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The officers did nothing wrong here. Just becuase the student belonged to a minority group, he&#8217;s claiming he&#8217;s above the law and isn&#8217;t subject to questioning, have some respect for the police if you want them to protect your rights. If he had cooperated everything would have been fine, but he&#8217;s being a smart alec.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how quick the emotional response to this whole situation got out of hand, and how the media chose to portray it before more details came to light.  In this situation, the student in question was in the library late at night, where there is a posted policy to limit facilities to students and staff after 10 (hence ask for ID).  When asked by security to show his ID, he refused (11:12 PM).  Told to leave, he did not comply, Security could have laid hands at this point, but did not.  Because of continued non compliance, security calls the police department, and they arrive on site (11:32 PM).  At this point he&#039;s broken the law (Security has the authority to &#039;trespass&#039; any person on their property), and says he&#039;ll leave but doesn&#039;t actually leave (it&#039;s easy to say you will do something, not doing it really demonstrates the intention).  Rather, he becomes loud, combative, and refuses ID or leave commands until he is first tazed (11:41 PM).  After being tazed (remember, EVERY law enforcement official is tazed during training at least once, they know what it feels like and how you recover from it), he continues to refuse orders, and demonstrates both passive resistance (collapse) and active resistance (exaggerated yelling, profanity, kicking legs).  I think if people had to sit through a FULL video of him refusing polite commands from security and library staff and then &#039;leave&#039; commands from them for 20 minutes, and then another 10 minutes of non-cooperation with the police, they would have much less sympathy for him than the video of the physical confrontation alone gives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how quick the emotional response to this whole situation got out of hand, and how the media chose to portray it before more details came to light.  In this situation, the student in question was in the library late at night, where there is a posted policy to limit facilities to students and staff after 10 (hence ask for ID).  When asked by security to show his ID, he refused (11:12 PM).  Told to leave, he did not comply, Security could have laid hands at this point, but did not.  Because of continued non compliance, security calls the police department, and they arrive on site (11:32 PM).  At this point he&#8217;s broken the law (Security has the authority to &#8216;trespass&#8217; any person on their property), and says he&#8217;ll leave but doesn&#8217;t actually leave (it&#8217;s easy to say you will do something, not doing it really demonstrates the intention).  Rather, he becomes loud, combative, and refuses ID or leave commands until he is first tazed (11:41 PM).  After being tazed (remember, EVERY law enforcement official is tazed during training at least once, they know what it feels like and how you recover from it), he continues to refuse orders, and demonstrates both passive resistance (collapse) and active resistance (exaggerated yelling, profanity, kicking legs).  I think if people had to sit through a FULL video of him refusing polite commands from security and library staff and then &#8216;leave&#8217; commands from them for 20 minutes, and then another 10 minutes of non-cooperation with the police, they would have much less sympathy for him than the video of the physical confrontation alone gives.</p>
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		<title>By: B.S.Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.S.Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who would justify the polices&#039; abuse of authority is simply mislead.  The freedoms we are guaranteed in America limit the amount of force needed to subdue any citizen.  Clearly this young citizens rights were systematically violated.  During a time of civil unrest ,generated by wars in foreign countries, this students skin color afforded him the opportunity to get the ass kicking of a lifetime.  People BEWARE this could be YOU or someone you LOVE..... which profile do you fit into? White trash, Gangsta, Terrorists, ........which one do THEY think your in? How could any American be expected to respect an authority that clearly can&#039;t respect themselves. Unfortunately situations just like this happen everyday in this land of Liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who would justify the polices&#8217; abuse of authority is simply mislead.  The freedoms we are guaranteed in America limit the amount of force needed to subdue any citizen.  Clearly this young citizens rights were systematically violated.  During a time of civil unrest ,generated by wars in foreign countries, this students skin color afforded him the opportunity to get the ass kicking of a lifetime.  People BEWARE this could be YOU or someone you LOVE&#8230;.. which profile do you fit into? White trash, Gangsta, Terrorists, &#8230;&#8230;..which one do THEY think your in? How could any American be expected to respect an authority that clearly can&#8217;t respect themselves. Unfortunately situations just like this happen everyday in this land of Liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Richmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just pure abuse of power - black power. I&#039;m sure the powlice didn&#039;t asked for the ID&#039;s of the other students, because he was pretending to be white. lol. Inject some Megavolts in one&#039;s body and command him to stand up, you Moron. Polpot, Idi Amin, SS, Stalin, Mao, KKK, UCLA powlice. I say stand back or I&#039;ll taze you . . .*&amp;^%$, because  I&#039;m god.  Next time you mess with the powlice, we&#039;ll gas you, lol. Was Lew an alumni ? what would he say ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just pure abuse of power &#8211; black power. I&#8217;m sure the powlice didn&#8217;t asked for the ID&#8217;s of the other students, because he was pretending to be white. lol. Inject some Megavolts in one&#8217;s body and command him to stand up, you Moron. Polpot, Idi Amin, SS, Stalin, Mao, KKK, UCLA powlice. I say stand back or I&#8217;ll taze you . . .*&amp;^%$, because  I&#8217;m god.  Next time you mess with the powlice, we&#8217;ll gas you, lol. Was Lew an alumni ? what would he say ??</p>
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		<title>By: ls</title>
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		<dc:creator>ls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cal Guy, there is not a room for you and people like you in this world. Why don&#039;t you die and join Hitler in HELL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal Guy, there is not a room for you and people like you in this world. Why don&#8217;t you die and join Hitler in HELL?</p>
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		<title>By: Codemonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Codemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to note that, it wasn&#039;t that he DIDN&#039;T have his ID, its that he didn&#039;t produce it.  He felt he was being racially profiled (since he was the only one asked to produce an ID out of all the people there).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to note that, it wasn&#8217;t that he DIDN&#8217;T have his ID, its that he didn&#8217;t produce it.  He felt he was being racially profiled (since he was the only one asked to produce an ID out of all the people there).</p>
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		<title>By: Cal Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS I couldn&#039;t help but laugh when he started screaming &quot;here&#039;s your Patriot Act&quot;.  Something tells me this guy doesn&#039;t need a tazer hit to make his heart bleed though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS I couldn&#8217;t help but laugh when he started screaming &#8220;here&#8217;s your Patriot Act&#8221;.  Something tells me this guy doesn&#8217;t need a tazer hit to make his heart bleed though.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case people are still having trouble seeing this incident for what it really is, here&#039;s a quick blow by blow:
-Student is in an area that requires an official campus ID
-Student feels he is above the rules and refuses to produce said ID
-The police are called because the student can&#039;t be dealt with
-The police can&#039;t deal with him either
-A video ends up on youtube and the whole incident becomes a racial commentary because the guy&#039;s parents are from Iran

Seriously, I feel sorry for you Americans.  If you&#039;re one of the ones I haven&#039;t met yet that are sick of the bickering about civil liberty, slavery, Islamic related tension/conflict, and your joke of an electoral system, I sincerely extend to you my warmest invitation to move to the greatest country in the world, Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case people are still having trouble seeing this incident for what it really is, here&#8217;s a quick blow by blow:<br />
-Student is in an area that requires an official campus ID<br />
-Student feels he is above the rules and refuses to produce said ID<br />
-The police are called because the student can&#8217;t be dealt with<br />
-The police can&#8217;t deal with him either<br />
-A video ends up on youtube and the whole incident becomes a racial commentary because the guy&#8217;s parents are from Iran</p>
<p>Seriously, I feel sorry for you Americans.  If you&#8217;re one of the ones I haven&#8217;t met yet that are sick of the bickering about civil liberty, slavery, Islamic related tension/conflict, and your joke of an electoral system, I sincerely extend to you my warmest invitation to move to the greatest country in the world, Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At least he was a cop who tasered him, a soldier would have shot him in a heartbeat.&quot;

Angel, you&#039;re such an idiot it&#039;s beyond words.  Every single time you post a comment, you prove more and more that you know less and less.  Believe it or not, soldiers are trained in use of force tactics, just as police are.  On top of that, a soldier would never deal with a civil disturbance like that again, except for marshall law, because of the Posse Comitatus Act.  Go Google that, learn some things, take a nickle, and buy a $&amp;^$* clue.

Moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At least he was a cop who tasered him, a soldier would have shot him in a heartbeat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Angel, you&#8217;re such an idiot it&#8217;s beyond words.  Every single time you post a comment, you prove more and more that you know less and less.  Believe it or not, soldiers are trained in use of force tactics, just as police are.  On top of that, a soldier would never deal with a civil disturbance like that again, except for marshall law, because of the Posse Comitatus Act.  Go Google that, learn some things, take a nickle, and buy a $&amp;^$* clue.</p>
<p>Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Baird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Update III: It appears the UCLA doesn’t trust its internal police force, as the university has ordered an outside and independent probe of this attack.&quot;

How does this prove &quot;the UCLA doesn’t trust its internal police force&quot;? Is it possible they wanted to avoid the appearance of a cover-up and instead are trying to be as unbiased as possible? I suspect if they had initiated an internal investigation it would be viewed as corruption. So either way, UCLA is viewed as bad. 

Sorry, this is simply bad, unobjective reporting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Update III: It appears the UCLA doesn’t trust its internal police force, as the university has ordered an outside and independent probe of this attack.&#8221;</p>
<p>How does this prove &#8220;the UCLA doesn’t trust its internal police force&#8221;? Is it possible they wanted to avoid the appearance of a cover-up and instead are trying to be as unbiased as possible? I suspect if they had initiated an internal investigation it would be viewed as corruption. So either way, UCLA is viewed as bad. </p>
<p>Sorry, this is simply bad, unobjective reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H. Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H. Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least he was a cop who tasered him, a soldier would have shot him in a heartbeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least he was a cop who tasered him, a soldier would have shot him in a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#182...Katie.....excuse me....but where is this **out of control** student you speak of???  Did you watch the video?  He gave passive (physically) resistance. Verbally his mouth was running....but thats not  something any cop would feel threatened by, unless they are a nazi wuss.  The cops were the ones using physical force, NOT the student.
Either learn to read English or get new glasses, because you haven&#039;t a clue apparently as to what was going on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#182&#8230;Katie&#8230;..excuse me&#8230;.but where is this **out of control** student you speak of???  Did you watch the video?  He gave passive (physically) resistance. Verbally his mouth was running&#8230;.but thats not  something any cop would feel threatened by, unless they are a nazi wuss.  The cops were the ones using physical force, NOT the student.<br />
Either learn to read English or get new glasses, because you haven&#8217;t a clue apparently as to what was going on here.</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>180. I would do it for $5,000.  Taser Cops must get the dart mode (not the easier drive-stun) treatment, for free.

181. I doubt the security people have the training nor are permitted to be involved in anything physical.  And why should the police officers be involved in anything physical - employing neanderthal bar bouncer tactics - and risking bites and thumbs in eyes or worse?  The drive-stun mode is designed to avoid all that. If you think the charge is too brutal, then simply design the device to have the charge turned down.  But here&#039;s betting the charge is already at the minimal required to get someone&#039;s attention.

RBG



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>180. I would do it for $5,000.  Taser Cops must get the dart mode (not the easier drive-stun) treatment, for free.</p>
<p>181. I doubt the security people have the training nor are permitted to be involved in anything physical.  And why should the police officers be involved in anything physical &#8211; employing neanderthal bar bouncer tactics &#8211; and risking bites and thumbs in eyes or worse?  The drive-stun mode is designed to avoid all that. If you think the charge is too brutal, then simply design the device to have the charge turned down.  But here&#8217;s betting the charge is already at the minimal required to get someone&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>RBG</p>
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		<title>By: amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 06:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we want justice for mustafa</description>
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