Comments on: Has MADD gone mad? Is MADD demanding that alcohol detection devices be installed in every vehicle?! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:27:57 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: kr http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-2/#comment-1491582 kr Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:11:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-1491582 k chris i agree. The idias can go on and on its just this problem will contiune as long as there is alchohol. It just a big racket because people will continue this behavior for decades to come. k chris i agree. The idias can go on and on its just this problem will contiune as long as there is alchohol. It just a big racket because people will continue this behavior for decades to come.

]]> By: kr http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-2/#comment-1491577 kr Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:04:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-1491577 come on now the majority of people have all drove after a couple or even more drinks in their system. Does not make it any different. You just havent got caught.It doesnt make it right but dont be so judgemental or doublestandard. Look at society if it was such a big deal they would legalize it. Its a money maker people as if we didnt know. Its sad and terrible for all the fatal accidents but on the other hand people are surrounded by liquer all the time in entertainment. Resteraunts, movies, sports, numerious of events and you tell me how many of those people call for cabs. Not very many. I need a drink! come on now the majority of people have all drove after a couple or even more drinks in their system. Does not make it any different. You just havent got caught.It doesnt make it right but dont be so judgemental or doublestandard. Look at society if it was such a big deal they would legalize it. Its a money maker people as if we didnt know. Its sad and terrible for all the fatal accidents but on the other hand people are surrounded by liquer all the time in entertainment. Resteraunts, movies, sports, numerious of events and you tell me how many of those people call for cabs. Not very many. I need a drink!

]]> By: ChrisMac http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-2/#comment-375726 ChrisMac Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:07:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375726 #53.. and all i was trying to say.. is that those penalties should apply to everyone who causes an accident causing harm.. drunk or sober Back Back Refresh #53.. and all i was trying to say.. is that those penalties should apply to everyone who causes an accident causing harm.. drunk or sober

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]]> By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-2/#comment-375445 OhForTheLoveOf Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:26:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375445 #16 <i>The problem is drinking and DRIVING. If we had neighbourhood pubs, and better public transit, and less cookie-cutter subdivisions, then the problem would disappear. Comment by Canucklehead — 11/20/2006 @ 3:10 pm</i> Drinking and driving may or may not be affected, but a billion other problems would be solved if we just carpet bombed all those god-awful cookie cutter suburbs. As far as I am concerned, the suburbs is where frightened white people go to hide from culture and dark people... and cabins in the woods are just for miserable misanthropes. Sure, I'm a misanthrope too, but I prefer to hate people face to face :-) #17<i>If you live close enought together for public transit to work, you live in HELL. 10 acre lots for urban areas and bigger rural would be about right. In a desirable worl, it’s not possible to not drive. That being said drunk driving ain’t the way to go either. Bars should have attached dorms where you can rent a cot and sleep it off. (Becasue, of course, not drinking is not acceptable either. ;-) ) Comment by MisterRustic — 11/20/2006 @ 3:19 pm</i> Speak for yourself. If I can't get chinese food at 3 AM then I am in Hell... and I'm in Indianapolis, so I'm in the 13th largest city in the US and it is too damn small for me. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have a car. As far as I am concerned, New York and Chicago are the two absolute best places on Earth to live... and that's only because I don't speak the language in most of the cities that are larger. But to stay on topic, I don't drink and I don't get the appeal. Most alcohol tastes like dog piss (not that I'd know) and drunks are idiots who deserve no sympathy. I say, first offense, 30 days minimum. License suspension of 6 months or more. Got a job? Too bad, you aren't going. And your employer will NOT be legally required to hold your job. Second offense, at least a year. License suspension for 5 years. Third... 3 years... You ain't never driving again... and if anyone dies, ever, it's premeditated murder. If you think I'm being harsh, then try peeling a corpse off a tree or cleaning a baby off a windshield. If you think you can control a car after drinking you are wrong and you are an idiot. You should be in jail. As you may know, I used to drive a cab and prior to that I bounced in a bar. Drunks aren't funny or cute. It's not a delightful phase. It isn't harmless fun. Almost 100% of the time, when I'm involved with the cops, it also involves alcohol. Social drinkers, copping a buzz, or pot smokers, or whatever, isn't a problem. You can use drugs responsibly, in controlled situations. But operating a vehical under the influence is a crime that should be punished harshly and without compassion. Maybe my view is colored by years of dealing with drunks and alcoholics, and from witnessing the devastation these people cause... but there it is. #16 The problem is drinking and DRIVING. If we had neighbourhood pubs, and better public transit, and less cookie-cutter subdivisions, then the problem would disappear.
Comment by Canucklehead — 11/20/2006 @ 3:10 pm

Drinking and driving may or may not be affected, but a billion other problems would be solved if we just carpet bombed all those god-awful cookie cutter suburbs.

As far as I am concerned, the suburbs is where frightened white people go to hide from culture and dark people… and cabins in the woods are just for miserable misanthropes.

Sure, I’m a misanthrope too, but I prefer to hate people face to face :-)

#17If you live close enought together for public transit to work, you live in HELL. 10 acre lots for urban areas and bigger rural would be about right. In a desirable worl, it’s not possible to not drive.

That being said drunk driving ain’t the way to go either. Bars should have attached dorms where you can rent a cot and sleep it off. (Becasue, of course, not drinking is not acceptable either. ;-) )

Comment by MisterRustic — 11/20/2006 @ 3:19 pm

Speak for yourself. If I can’t get chinese food at 3 AM then I am in Hell… and I’m in Indianapolis, so I’m in the 13th largest city in the US and it is too damn small for me. In an ideal world, I wouldn’t have a car.

As far as I am concerned, New York and Chicago are the two absolute best places on Earth to live… and that’s only because I don’t speak the language in most of the cities that are larger.

But to stay on topic, I don’t drink and I don’t get the appeal. Most alcohol tastes like dog piss (not that I’d know) and drunks are idiots who deserve no sympathy.

I say, first offense, 30 days minimum. License suspension of 6 months or more. Got a job? Too bad, you aren’t going. And your employer will NOT be legally required to hold your job.

Second offense, at least a year. License suspension for 5 years.

Third… 3 years… You ain’t never driving again… and if anyone dies, ever, it’s premeditated murder.

If you think I’m being harsh, then try peeling a corpse off a tree or cleaning a baby off a windshield. If you think you can control a car after drinking you are wrong and you are an idiot. You should be in jail.

As you may know, I used to drive a cab and prior to that I bounced in a bar. Drunks aren’t funny or cute. It’s not a delightful phase. It isn’t harmless fun. Almost 100% of the time, when I’m involved with the cops, it also involves alcohol.

Social drinkers, copping a buzz, or pot smokers, or whatever, isn’t a problem. You can use drugs responsibly, in controlled situations. But operating a vehical under the influence is a crime that should be punished harshly and without compassion.

Maybe my view is colored by years of dealing with drunks and alcoholics, and from witnessing the devastation these people cause… but there it is.

]]> By: Sundog http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-2/#comment-375413 Sundog Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:37:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375413 50. Slaves with training wheels. 50. Slaves with training wheels.

]]> By: Charles Ellis http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-2/#comment-375407 Charles Ellis Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:28:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375407 I was actually talking about this with a friend the other day, after noticing the person in the car next to me using one. I'm of the opinion that these things, being complicated devices, would be prone to breaking, which would limit their inclusion in vehicles severely. Imagine if you couldn't get to work because the breathalyzer in your car was on the fritz and either wouldn't take any reading, or presented a false positive. Not to mention the problems with alcohol-based mouth washes... I was actually talking about this with a friend the other day, after noticing the person in the car next to me using one.

I’m of the opinion that these things, being complicated devices, would be prone to breaking, which would limit their inclusion in vehicles severely.

Imagine if you couldn’t get to work because the breathalyzer in your car was on the fritz and either wouldn’t take any reading, or presented a false positive. Not to mention the problems with alcohol-based mouth washes…

]]> By: hamgrl http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-375387 hamgrl Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:06:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375387 It is beyond me that anyone would argue against it...oh wait thats right ....we are in America where the attitude is.." I dont give a fuck what happens to you as long as it doesnt infringe on my right to drink and drive and possibly smash your brains in or better yet your childrens' " My bad... It is beyond me that anyone would argue against it…oh wait thats right ….we are in America where the attitude is..” I dont give a fuck what happens to you as long as it doesnt infringe on my right to drink and drive and possibly smash your brains in or better yet your childrens’ ”

My bad…

]]> By: BHK http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-375293 BHK Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:33:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375293 #47 - forget the pizza, it'll make you fat. Fat people = higher healthcare costs for everyone. Accepting the premise that we have no self-responsibility for our driving but must be given permission by the state to even turn on the car means accepting that it's ok for the government to tell us what to eat, how to live, how to dress, etc. As for me, I'll make a mint seling devices to disable these damned things. #47 – forget the pizza, it’ll make you fat. Fat people = higher healthcare costs for everyone. Accepting the premise that we have no self-responsibility for our driving but must be given permission by the state to even turn on the car means accepting that it’s ok for the government to tell us what to eat, how to live, how to dress, etc.

As for me, I’ll make a mint seling devices to disable these damned things.

]]> By: meetsy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-375182 meetsy Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375182 Great...now people will be "designated blowers" ...I can see every bar hiring one to hang out and ...for a fee...blow in the tube. Sounds like a business opportunity for the LDS church, Muslims and other non-drinking groups. MADD has good intentions, but let's face it...they can get a little shrill. Drunk driving is an issue, and a problem, but so is pot-impaired driving, and prescribed meds impared driving, tired driving, and angry driving. As far as all auto accidents go...we must also consider cellphone distracted driving, screaming kids in car spilling stuff distraction driving, and flat out tired out, overworked, sleepy driving. And, then there are the bald tires, mechanical defects, and cars that should be on the junk heap! It's all to easy to get a license, and people take driving way to casually, and our public transit systems (in most areas) were destroyed in the 50's to make way for more cars. MADD has too small a focus. Great…now people will be “designated blowers” …I can see every bar hiring one to hang out and …for a fee…blow in the tube. Sounds like a business opportunity for the LDS church, Muslims and other non-drinking groups.
MADD has good intentions, but let’s face it…they can get a little shrill.
Drunk driving is an issue, and a problem, but so is pot-impaired driving, and prescribed meds impared driving, tired driving, and angry driving. As far as all auto accidents go…we must also consider cellphone distracted driving, screaming kids in car spilling stuff distraction driving, and flat out tired out, overworked, sleepy driving. And, then there are the bald tires, mechanical defects, and cars that should be on the junk heap!
It’s all to easy to get a license, and people take driving way to casually, and our public transit systems (in most areas) were destroyed in the 50’s to make way for more cars.
MADD has too small a focus.

]]> By: Abram Nichols http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-375173 Abram Nichols Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:21:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-375173 Ok, I have to ask, why is this a bad idea? If you’re just a little over the limit, but still feel like you can drive, you’ll have to wait an hour or so before the car will work. Big deal. Go grab a slice of pizza or something and sober up a little. If you’re way over the limit, you shouldn’t have driven in the first place buddy. Leave your car where it is and get a cab home. Or sleep in your car. Either way, you don’t have to worry. Think of these things as anti-worry-that-I’m-gonna-get-pulled-over devices. <a href="http://abramnichols.com/blog/?p=317" rel="nofollow">See the con side</a> Ok, I have to ask, why is this a bad idea? If you’re just a little over the limit, but still feel like you can drive, you’ll have to wait an hour or so before the car will work. Big deal. Go grab a slice of pizza or something and sober up a little. If you’re way over the limit, you shouldn’t have driven in the first place buddy. Leave your car where it is and get a cab home. Or sleep in your car. Either way, you don’t have to worry. Think of these things as anti-worry-that-I’m-gonna-get-pulled-over devices.

See the con side

]]> By: gquaglia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-374988 gquaglia Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:55:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-374988 MADD reminds me of that gun control group that Jim Brady's wife was the spokesman for. They like, MADD had good intentions, but took it overboard to the point where they no longer seemed credible and people stopped listening to them. MADD reminds me of that gun control group that Jim Brady’s wife was the spokesman for. They like, MADD had good intentions, but took it overboard to the point where they no longer seemed credible and people stopped listening to them.

]]> By: Juan Cardona http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-374771 Juan Cardona Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:00:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-374771 Trying to get technology to do what education and acknowledging your own responsibility is never a wise choice. The devices, no matter how sophisticated they are, are hackable and before you know it someone'll come up with a bypass or something else so millions will be spent in the wrong direction. If someone is irresponsible enough to drive while drunk, what's gonna stop him/her to go get the system hacked/bypassed or removed altogether??? Trying to get technology to do what education and acknowledging your own responsibility is never a wise choice. The devices, no matter how sophisticated they are, are hackable and before you know it someone’ll come up with a bypass or something else so millions will be spent in the wrong direction. If someone is irresponsible enough to drive while drunk, what’s gonna stop him/her to go get the system hacked/bypassed or removed altogether???

]]> By: ChrisMac http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-374588 ChrisMac Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:02:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-374588 now we're getting somewhere.. now we’re getting somewhere..

]]> By: AB CD http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-374572 AB CD Tue, 21 Nov 2006 06:37:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-374572 How many of you complained whern MADD got there wish of lowering drunk driving levels to .08? I think this is too low, and renders void the drunk driving laws' justification. How many of you complained whern MADD got there wish of lowering drunk driving levels to .08? I think this is too low, and renders void the drunk driving laws’ justification.

]]> By: Sundog http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/20/has-madd-gone-mad-does-madd-want-alcohol-detection-devices-installed-in-every-vehicle/comment-page-1/#comment-374497 Sundog Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:55:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8091#comment-374497 Fusion- obviously my rant was about the fact that they (MADD) would like to require this device in all vehicles. And I think you know thats what I was talking about. I am really tired of govt intervening in every aspect of our lives. No sane person supports getting behind the wheel when they are drunk. But I also dont believe seatbelts should be mandatory either. I wear one, because its the smart thing to do, I also wear a helmet on my motorcycle, even though I am not required to. You are a little too quick with the asshole switch. Fusion- obviously my rant was about the fact that they (MADD) would like to require this device in all vehicles. And I think you know thats what I was talking about. I am really tired of govt intervening in every aspect of our lives. No sane person supports getting behind the wheel when they are drunk. But I also dont believe seatbelts should be mandatory either. I wear one, because its the smart thing to do, I also wear a helmet on my motorcycle, even though I am not required to. You are a little too quick with the asshole switch.

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