Comments on: Questions continue to emerge over NYC police shooting of groom-to-be http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-2/#comment-382591 Smartalix Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:13:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382591 That account makes even more sense: “The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting,” Wright, 28, told the newspaper. “No `stop.’ No `freeze.’ No nothing.” Overzealous cops, insufficient training, dead people. That account makes even more sense:

“The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting,” Wright, 28, told the newspaper. “No `stop.’ No `freeze.’ No nothing.”

Overzealous cops, insufficient training, dead people.

]]> By: Named http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-2/#comment-382546 Named Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:12:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382546 19, More details... http://tinyurl.com/y44ggv 19,

More details…
http://tinyurl.com/y44ggv

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382528 Smartalix Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:46:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382528 Considering that the driver was a gainfully-employed young man on the eve of his wedding, I doubt that ramming a police car was on the top of his list of desired actions. What is more plausible, that someone under a hail of gunfire would ram police vehicles <i>twice</i> without stopping, or that skittish cops opened fire on a car they (wrongly) believed to be full of drug dealers killing the driver and causing the car to go out of control and strike their vehicles? Even the cops admit it was a low-speed impact. Considering that the driver was a gainfully-employed young man on the eve of his wedding, I doubt that ramming a police car was on the top of his list of desired actions.

What is more plausible, that someone under a hail of gunfire would ram police vehicles twice without stopping, or that skittish cops opened fire on a car they (wrongly) believed to be full of drug dealers killing the driver and causing the car to go out of control and strike their vehicles? Even the cops admit it was a low-speed impact.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382497 ECA Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:23:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382497 OK, a plain clothes officer trys to stop these men, and he gets a Good bump from the car as they TRY to get away.. These guys were in a bar, for A long time, and you dont think they may have been abit drunk?? so this officer probably Stands in front of the car to stop them. and gets hit. The cops second opens fire, and they ram the VAN, which was probably Blocking the parking area... OK,
a plain clothes officer trys to stop these men, and he gets a Good bump from the car as they TRY to get away.. These guys were in a bar, for A long time, and you dont think they may have been abit drunk??

so this officer probably Stands in front of the car to stop them. and gets hit. The cops second opens fire, and they ram the VAN, which was probably Blocking the parking area…

]]> By: sirfelix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382433 sirfelix Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:31:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382433 "It was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting..." Imagine if these officers were being trained in a www.virtra.com use-of-force system when one of them did this: One (officer) fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines.. The NYPD training budget could easily afford these type virtual training systems. How many do you think they could have bought with the settlement funds this case will cost the city? “It was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting…”

Imagine if these officers were being trained in a http://www.virtra.com use-of-force system when one of them did this: One (officer) fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines..

The NYPD training budget could easily afford these type virtual training systems. How many do you think they could have bought with the settlement funds this case will cost the city?

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382378 Smartalix Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:50:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382378 16, I point out again, we have no idea when and under what circumstances the vehicle struck the police van. Considering the sheer number of rounds fired, it is very possible that the driver was shot first and lost control, striking the van. 16,

I point out again, we have no idea when and under what circumstances the vehicle struck the police van. Considering the sheer number of rounds fired, it is very possible that the driver was shot first and lost control, striking the van.

]]> By: andrewj http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382335 andrewj Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:10:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382335 "Unless he had a gun and was pointing it at the police officers or firing it, there should have never been any gun fire by the police." -------------------------- A vehicle is a 2 ton bullet. “Unless he had a gun and was pointing it at the police officers or firing it, there should have never been any gun fire by the police.”
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A vehicle is a 2 ton bullet.

]]> By: chitown http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382252 chitown Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:25:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382252 here are the questions I have , based on what I have read and heard about the case? (1) were any of the shooting victims a target of the undercover operation? (2) if so, what was the probable cause for placing the victims under investigation? (3) Which officer was in charge at the time of the shooting? (4) The police say that an officer and a van were stuck by the victims' car, at the time this happened, were the police trying to arrest the occupants of the car? (5) If an arrest was being attempted, why not intercept the men before they entered their car? Not being local person(see the name) perhaps I have missed a lot of the news. but from I have read and heard , I don't believe that any of the above questions have been answered. they may help to clear up this story. here are the questions I have , based on what I have read and heard about the case?

(1) were any of the shooting victims a target of the undercover operation?

(2) if so, what was the probable cause for placing the victims under investigation?

(3) Which officer was in charge at the time of the shooting?

(4) The police say that an officer and a van were stuck by the victims’ car, at the time this happened, were the police trying to arrest the occupants of the car?

(5) If an arrest was being attempted, why not intercept the men before they entered their car?

Not being local person(see the name) perhaps I have missed a lot of the news. but from I have read and heard , I don’t believe that any of the above questions have been answered. they may help to clear up this story.

]]> By: Named http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382231 Named Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:16:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382231 12, Being at a strip club at 4am the night before your wedding is de rigeur... 12,

Being at a strip club at 4am the night before your wedding is de rigeur…

]]> By: Major Jizz http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382198 Major Jizz Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:43:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382198 This just proves how much of a sewer New York really is. Their cops are just obedient rats working for Bloomberg. This just proves how much of a sewer New York really is. Their cops are just obedient rats working for Bloomberg.

]]> By: Old Number 7 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382163 Old Number 7 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:02:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382163 Something is fishy here. What were these guys doing outside a strip club at 4am the day the groom is being married? Were they having the batchelor party the day before the wedding? Something is fishy here. What were these guys doing outside a strip club at 4am the day the groom is being married? Were they having the batchelor party the day before the wedding?

]]> By: AB CD http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382154 AB CD Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:51:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382154 NYPD has more cops than ever, but their shootings are down, at least while Giuliani was mayor. NYPD has more cops than ever, but their shootings are down, at least while Giuliani was mayor.

]]> By: Roc Rizzo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382134 Roc Rizzo Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:33:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382134 NYC police have been out of hand for DECADES. As long as I can remember, there have been cops who do not believe that they have to obey the law, because they ARE the law. As long as this attitude propagates itself in the minds of officers, they are going to think that. Perhaps they should consider themselves peace officers. People who keep the peace, and do it with as little violence as possible. Police get too much training on how to deal with extreme situations. When they go out into the street, they immediately think that a situation could escalate into an extreme, though had they used less force, and more common sense, the incident could be avoided. NYC police have been out of hand for DECADES. As long as I can remember, there have been cops who do not believe that they have to obey the law, because they ARE the law. As long as this attitude propagates itself in the minds of officers, they are going to think that.

Perhaps they should consider themselves peace officers. People who keep the peace, and do it with as little violence as possible. Police get too much training on how to deal with extreme situations. When they go out into the street, they immediately think that a situation could escalate into an extreme, though had they used less force, and more common sense, the incident could be avoided.

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382121 Smartalix Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:23:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382121 7, As I mentioned in my post, how do we know they rammed the police van <i>before</i> the shooting started? What if the police started shooting at the car while it was still in motion? All we know at this point is what the police claim. 7,

As I mentioned in my post, how do we know they rammed the police van before the shooting started? What if the police started shooting at the car while it was still in motion? All we know at this point is what the police claim.

]]> By: Billabong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/27/questions-continue-to-emerge-over-nyc-police-shooting-of-groom-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-382112 Billabong Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:17:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8256#comment-382112 What happened is that one trigger happy cop started shooting and the rest thought they were being shot at.It is called a police riot or cluster F*** in the military.It happens all to often when people feel they are in danger.The sad part is if you give a group of people guns the cluster F*** rule kicks in. What happened is that one trigger happy cop started shooting and the rest thought they were being shot at.It is called a police riot or cluster F*** in the military.It happens all to often when people feel they are in danger.The sad part is if you give a group of people guns the cluster F*** rule kicks in.

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