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	<title>Comments on: Is Putting A Baby In Freezer To Cool Down Fever Good Parenting?</title>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-386827</link>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24....Mr. Fusion.....I read the entire Canadian health care law.  I can&#039;t do any better than that.  It is quite clear, that Health care is to be provided by the provencie&#039;s and shall cover ALL citizens.  Some provencie&#039;s may charge a premium or fund it out of general taxes, but no matter how it&#039;s done, NO ONE can be denied health care due to inability to pay, in the premium provence&#039;s or otherwise.

Taxes are taxes.....of course there is no **free** when getting anything from goverment, since goverment dosen&#039;t produce a sellable product to raise revenues.  The revenue comes from taxes.  If your poor and don&#039;t pay any taxes, then your getting something free, sort of.
The provence he is in has little to do with his having health care coverage.
I never said he was an idiot(as some did), I just posed the question about why he didn&#039;t take the child to the hospital or clinic.  I actually think that he was pretty ingenious, since he did all the normal things first and they didn&#039;t work.  But, it would have been better if he had laid the baby on a protective blanket to avoid the frostbite burns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24&#8230;.Mr. Fusion&#8230;..I read the entire Canadian health care law.  I can&#8217;t do any better than that.  It is quite clear, that Health care is to be provided by the provencie&#8217;s and shall cover ALL citizens.  Some provencie&#8217;s may charge a premium or fund it out of general taxes, but no matter how it&#8217;s done, NO ONE can be denied health care due to inability to pay, in the premium provence&#8217;s or otherwise.</p>
<p>Taxes are taxes&#8230;..of course there is no **free** when getting anything from goverment, since goverment dosen&#8217;t produce a sellable product to raise revenues.  The revenue comes from taxes.  If your poor and don&#8217;t pay any taxes, then your getting something free, sort of.<br />
The provence he is in has little to do with his having health care coverage.<br />
I never said he was an idiot(as some did), I just posed the question about why he didn&#8217;t take the child to the hospital or clinic.  I actually think that he was pretty ingenious, since he did all the normal things first and they didn&#8217;t work.  But, it would have been better if he had laid the baby on a protective blanket to avoid the frostbite burns.</p>
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		<title>By: Raff</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-384858</link>
		<dc:creator>Raff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I got me a fine wife I got me a fiddle
When the suns comin up I got babies on the griddle
Life aint nothin but a funny funny riddle
Thank God Im a country boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I got me a fine wife I got me a fiddle<br />
When the suns comin up I got babies on the griddle<br />
Life aint nothin but a funny funny riddle<br />
Thank God Im a country boy</p>
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		<title>By: Raff</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-384856</link>
		<dc:creator>Raff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I got me a fine wife I got me a fiddle
When the suns comin up I got babies on the griddle
Life aint nothin but a funy funny riddle
Thank God Im a country boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I got me a fine wife I got me a fiddle<br />
When the suns comin up I got babies on the griddle<br />
Life aint nothin but a funy funny riddle<br />
Thank God Im a country boy</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-384755</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 &amp; 22, 

Apparently you didn&#039;t “google” very much about this story. It happened in Prince Edward Island. This the second poorest province in Canada. Very small in size, it is almost totally rural with only two sizable towns. I don&#039;t know off hand where this happened or how far he was from the nearest hospital, but don&#039;t assume they were just a quick cab ride away from one. The chances are that they weren&#039;t.

The point Robert made is to correct you on the often said, but wrong, “Canadian health care is free” mantra. As Robert said, it isn&#039;t. It is paid for through taxes, much the same as Americans pay for their health care, through premiums. Only, everyone is covered, not just those who can afford it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 &amp; 22, </p>
<p>Apparently you didn&#8217;t “google” very much about this story. It happened in Prince Edward Island. This the second poorest province in Canada. Very small in size, it is almost totally rural with only two sizable towns. I don&#8217;t know off hand where this happened or how far he was from the nearest hospital, but don&#8217;t assume they were just a quick cab ride away from one. The chances are that they weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The point Robert made is to correct you on the often said, but wrong, “Canadian health care is free” mantra. As Robert said, it isn&#8217;t. It is paid for through taxes, much the same as Americans pay for their health care, through premiums. Only, everyone is covered, not just those who can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-384743</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21, meetsy
&lt;i&gt;….Might have been an okay idea…..in an extreme emergency, but a wash down with cool rags usually does the trick…even without tylenol, and failing that, he should have had her rushed to a hospital if he couldn’t deal with it.
No, the guy is an idiot. Don’t defend idiots, Mr. Fusion. 
Comment by meetsy — 11/28/2006 @ 8:26 pm 
&lt;/i&gt;

You lose the test in #20. You admit in the very first six words that it might have been OK in an emergency. Then you went on to suggest he try something else HE ALREADY TRIED. He used a cool cloth and there didn&#039;t seem to be any effect. His gf had the car and apparently was expected home shortly. There was no indication of how far the nearest hospital is. Also, there is no indication that there was any hypothermia so the child could not have been left in the freezer for very long.

For a 10 month old to compliantly stay in the freezer should be the tip off that there is a problem with the child. Around that stage the child is just starting to walk. They should be able to roll over, sit up, and crawl with out effort. They are starting to talk and would be quite capable of screaming. 

No, I would not recommend putting anyone in a freezer. At any age. The point is he tried several options and none of them seemed to work. The quality of his decision is debatable, but truth be, he made a decision that reflected the severity of the situation IN HIS MIND and acted accordingly. There was no malice or lack of thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21, meetsy<br />
<i>….Might have been an okay idea…..in an extreme emergency, but a wash down with cool rags usually does the trick…even without tylenol, and failing that, he should have had her rushed to a hospital if he couldn’t deal with it.<br />
No, the guy is an idiot. Don’t defend idiots, Mr. Fusion.<br />
Comment by meetsy — 11/28/2006 @ 8:26 pm<br />
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<p>You lose the test in #20. You admit in the very first six words that it might have been OK in an emergency. Then you went on to suggest he try something else HE ALREADY TRIED. He used a cool cloth and there didn&#8217;t seem to be any effect. His gf had the car and apparently was expected home shortly. There was no indication of how far the nearest hospital is. Also, there is no indication that there was any hypothermia so the child could not have been left in the freezer for very long.</p>
<p>For a 10 month old to compliantly stay in the freezer should be the tip off that there is a problem with the child. Around that stage the child is just starting to walk. They should be able to roll over, sit up, and crawl with out effort. They are starting to talk and would be quite capable of screaming. </p>
<p>No, I would not recommend putting anyone in a freezer. At any age. The point is he tried several options and none of them seemed to work. The quality of his decision is debatable, but truth be, he made a decision that reflected the severity of the situation IN HIS MIND and acted accordingly. There was no malice or lack of thought.</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-384546</link>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18....Robert.....they have this little thing called GOOGLE....you should try it sometime....you might even find a site like this one......

http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page5.html

even though your head is in your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18&#8230;.Robert&#8230;..they have this little thing called GOOGLE&#8230;.you should try it sometime&#8230;.you might even find a site like this one&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page5.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page5.html' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page5.html</a></p>
<p>even though your head is in your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: meetsy</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-2/#comment-383984</link>
		<dc:creator>meetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t he just put her outside...he was in CANADA!!
   And, Mr. Fusion, the issue was that he let the FREEZER door close..and wasnt&#039; attending to her...Momma came home, and found her kid close to frostbite.
....Might have been an okay idea.....in an extreme emergency, but a wash down with cool rags usually does the trick...even without tylenol, and failing that, he should have had her rushed to a hospital if he couldn&#039;t deal with it.
    No, the guy is an idiot.  Don&#039;t defend idiots, Mr. Fusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t he just put her outside&#8230;he was in CANADA!!<br />
   And, Mr. Fusion, the issue was that he let the FREEZER door close..and wasnt&#8217; attending to her&#8230;Momma came home, and found her kid close to frostbite.<br />
&#8230;.Might have been an okay idea&#8230;..in an extreme emergency, but a wash down with cool rags usually does the trick&#8230;even without tylenol, and failing that, he should have had her rushed to a hospital if he couldn&#8217;t deal with it.<br />
    No, the guy is an idiot.  Don&#8217;t defend idiots, Mr. Fusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-383943</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with OFTLO in post #10. 

The guy might not have been the brightest light around, but his intentions were in the right direction. Sure you can suggest using rubbing alcohol to reduce the babies temperature. But what if they didn&#039;t have any? Cooling baths? What is the difference between a cooling bath and cooling temperatures found in a refrigerator?

I have seen cases where physicians have bathed someone in an ice bath in order to reduce the temperature. Maybe this wasn&#039;t warranted in this case, but he very well might have been trying the same approach. According to the article, he tried a cold cloth and taking the baby outside in the cool evening air, both with no appreciable effect. 

So, for all those intellectually superior people here, what would you do if faced with a medical situation such as this. No thermometer, very hot, lethargic kid, no children&#039;s Tylenol, no car, no experience with very young children, and no telephone. C&#039;mon, quick, what are you going to do? The baby is sick !!! Are you going to let the bay die? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with OFTLO in post #10. </p>
<p>The guy might not have been the brightest light around, but his intentions were in the right direction. Sure you can suggest using rubbing alcohol to reduce the babies temperature. But what if they didn&#8217;t have any? Cooling baths? What is the difference between a cooling bath and cooling temperatures found in a refrigerator?</p>
<p>I have seen cases where physicians have bathed someone in an ice bath in order to reduce the temperature. Maybe this wasn&#8217;t warranted in this case, but he very well might have been trying the same approach. According to the article, he tried a cold cloth and taking the baby outside in the cool evening air, both with no appreciable effect. </p>
<p>So, for all those intellectually superior people here, what would you do if faced with a medical situation such as this. No thermometer, very hot, lethargic kid, no children&#8217;s Tylenol, no car, no experience with very young children, and no telephone. C&#8217;mon, quick, what are you going to do? The baby is sick !!! Are you going to let the bay die?</p>
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		<title>By: Haywood Jablome</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-383811</link>
		<dc:creator>Haywood Jablome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously this is a family that needs a lifeguard at the gene pool.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously this is a family that needs a lifeguard at the gene pool.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/28/is-putting-a-baby-in-freezer-to-cool-down-fever-good-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-383775</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your insightful comment on the Canadian medical system #17. We don&#039;t have &#039;free&#039; health care here: we pay taxes and medical insurance premiums.  And we don&#039;t exclude millions of people ...  

Your comment is darn near as stupid as putting a baby in a freezer.  I guess there is no national monopoly on ignorance ...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your insightful comment on the Canadian medical system #17. We don&#8217;t have &#8216;free&#8217; health care here: we pay taxes and medical insurance premiums.  And we don&#8217;t exclude millions of people &#8230;  </p>
<p>Your comment is darn near as stupid as putting a baby in a freezer.  I guess there is no national monopoly on ignorance &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know why he didn&#039;t just take it to hospital.....it is Canada afterall...free health care.....oh wait...he would have had to wait 8 months for treatment ....maybe thats why he did it...made it an emergancy and they would treat the kid in the same month he brought it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know why he didn&#8217;t just take it to hospital&#8230;..it is Canada afterall&#8230;free health care&#8230;..oh wait&#8230;he would have had to wait 8 months for treatment &#8230;.maybe thats why he did it&#8230;made it an emergancy and they would treat the kid in the same month he brought it in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The freezer manual should say to wait till items cool down, before inserting into the freezer. Otherwise it melts the ice cream I suppose. RTFM! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The freezer manual should say to wait till items cool down, before inserting into the freezer. Otherwise it melts the ice cream I suppose. RTFM!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a child has a very high fever over 106  you rub them down in rubbing alcohol or a cool bath to bring down the body temp.
You can&#039;t give children aspirin because of reye syndrome.
Frozen kidsickles is a bit extreme. LOL
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a child has a very high fever over 106  you rub them down in rubbing alcohol or a cool bath to bring down the body temp.<br />
You can&#8217;t give children aspirin because of reye syndrome.<br />
Frozen kidsickles is a bit extreme. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw this other sad news 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Baby_Death_Microwave.html?source=rss&quot; title=&quot;tidbit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;.

One baby in the freezer, one into the microwave. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw this other sad news<br />
<a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Baby_Death_Microwave.html?source=rss" title="tidbit" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.</p>
<p>One baby in the freezer, one into the microwave. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is from PEI after all... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is from PEI after all&#8230;</p>
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