Comments on: Universal Music to Apple: iPods are “repositories for stolen music” so give us a cut of your profits! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Grrr http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386504 Grrr Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:53:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386504 "just" repositories for stolen music? It's possible to put only nonstolen music on 'em, or just nonstolen lectures... or self-written music tracks... In my opinion Morris comes off as clueless or (more likely) deceptive. The monopoly caving in and giving a cut from each sold Zune is yet another strong reason for me to avoid ever owning one. “just” repositories for stolen music?
It’s possible to put only nonstolen music on ‘em, or just nonstolen lectures… or self-written music tracks…
In my opinion Morris comes off as clueless or (more likely) deceptive. The monopoly caving in and giving a cut from each sold Zune is yet another strong reason for me to avoid ever owning one.

]]> By: dave http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386495 dave Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:44:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386495 you guys live in one screwed up country you guys live in one screwed up country

]]> By: JoaoPT http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386474 JoaoPT Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:30:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386474 the first Nirvana album lost some money, so the band was in debt and had to produce a second to the record company. Dunno if it's true or not, but it's close to what happens. Bands agree to some record deals because thay want the public awareness and expect to make money on live gigs. OTOH record companies are like casinos, no matter who looses, the public or the band, they always profit. Anyway, the most stuff in my mp3 player is podcasts, so i find this "tax" preposterous. the first Nirvana album lost some money, so the band was in debt and had to produce a second to the record company.
Dunno if it’s true or not, but it’s close to what happens. Bands agree to some record deals because thay want the public awareness and expect to make money on live gigs. OTOH record companies are like casinos, no matter who looses, the public or the band, they always profit.
Anyway, the most stuff in my mp3 player is podcasts, so i find this “tax” preposterous.

]]> By: funky http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386427 funky Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:52:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386427 #10, #11 I agree too but if only musicians _DID_ get the money. Artists make almost no money per song sold. #10, #11 I agree too but if only musicians _DID_ get the money. Artists make almost no money per song sold.

]]> By: Mucous http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386416 Mucous Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:45:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386416 #11 - I agree. You can indirectly blame Disney for most of this for their constant efforts to stretch copyright. Being an oldfart - the vast majority of the music I listen to is over 15 years old. #11 – I agree. You can indirectly blame Disney for most of this for their constant efforts to stretch copyright. Being an oldfart – the vast majority of the music I listen to is over 15 years old.

]]> By: SN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386323 SN Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:12:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386323 #10 I agree. I personally think copyright should go back to a 15 year limit. #10 I agree. I personally think copyright should go back to a 15 year limit.

]]> By: Mike http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386296 Mike Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:24:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386296 Am I the only person who wonders why a musicians should expect to be perpetually paid for the relatively small amount of work that went into writing a song 20 years ago? Am I the only person who wonders why a musicians should expect to be perpetually paid for the relatively small amount of work that went into writing a song 20 years ago?

]]> By: Calin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386227 Calin Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:24:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386227 <i>According to published reports, Microsoft ultimately agreed to hand over approximately $1 to UMG from the sale of each $250 Zune.</i> So they're gonna make what.....like 20 bucks? According to published reports, Microsoft ultimately agreed to hand over approximately $1 to UMG from the sale of each $250 Zune.

So they’re gonna make what…..like 20 bucks?

]]> By: Nick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386221 Nick Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:18:23 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386221 The music industry (appropriate term: these are *not* musicians and this *is* an industry manufacturing (very inferior) mass-market products) is hiding behind a moral fig leaf when it invokes the concept of "stolen music". Really, "morality" is beside the point here. What's moral is of absolutely no concern to the industry - except as an emotional lever to work on those who are deceived. Look at Sony's rootkit: it used stolen code that had been filched and used in contravention of the license agreement the code had been distibuted under. The concept of ownership is neither here nor there to these people - or they wouldn't have used stolen code - rather protecting what they see as *their* property no matter who else's property rights are violated is what's of concern. It's no different to the Mob when they kill someone who moves into "their" drugs territory. It has nothing to do with morality: it is about power. What Universal deserves is the finger. The music industry (appropriate term: these are *not* musicians and this *is* an industry manufacturing (very inferior) mass-market products) is hiding behind a moral fig leaf when it invokes the concept of “stolen music”. Really, “morality” is beside the point here. What’s moral is of absolutely no concern to the industry – except as an emotional lever to work on those who are deceived. Look at Sony’s rootkit: it used stolen code that had been filched and used in contravention of the license agreement the code had been distibuted under. The concept of ownership is neither here nor there to these people – or they wouldn’t have used stolen code – rather protecting what they see as *their* property no matter who else’s property rights are violated is what’s of concern.

It’s no different to the Mob when they kill someone who moves into “their” drugs territory. It has nothing to do with morality: it is about power. What Universal deserves is the finger.

]]> By: Roger M http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386168 Roger M Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:07:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386168 It just proves the UMG are crooks, and they have lawyers to legalize their crookism...... It's a pity M$ felt the urge to give in for blackmail just in order to get a foot inside the market. It's like MADD demanding a fee from alcohol sales, or even car sales. It just proves the UMG are crooks, and they have lawyers to legalize their crookism……
It’s a pity M$ felt the urge to give in for blackmail just in order to get a foot inside the market.
It’s like MADD demanding a fee from alcohol sales, or even car sales.

]]> By: SN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386163 SN Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:59:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386163 #5 <em>"If I was Jobs I would tell Universal to go scratch..."</em> I agree with you, but Jobs does not have a lot of leverage. The music industry still makes most of its money on CDs (remember those?!) And in fact the music industry makes more money selling/leasing ring tones than it gets from iTunes. ITunes is a total success, it totally dominates its market, but it's still just a drop in the bucket in the eyes of the music industry. #5 “If I was Jobs I would tell Universal to go scratch…”

I agree with you, but Jobs does not have a lot of leverage. The music industry still makes most of its money on CDs (remember those?!) And in fact the music industry makes more money selling/leasing ring tones than it gets from iTunes.

ITunes is a total success, it totally dominates its market, but it’s still just a drop in the bucket in the eyes of the music industry.

]]> By: gquaglia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386140 gquaglia Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:48:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386140 If I was Jobs I would tell Universal to go scratch. What are they going to do, pull their music from the most popular download and player combo on the market. With the Zune they had leverage, with Apple they don't. Apple isn't going to bend over and spread like M$ did, they don't need to. If I was Jobs I would tell Universal to go scratch. What are they going to do, pull their music from the most popular download and player combo on the market. With the Zune they had leverage, with Apple they don’t. Apple isn’t going to bend over and spread like M$ did, they don’t need to.

]]> By: Pfkad http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386126 Pfkad Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:43:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386126 The music industry has been spoiled by compliant media player manufacturers and a public all too willing to roll over. Their insatiable avarice will continue unabated until every tune ever produced will have its own encryption that will require the listener to pay a fee each time the tune is played. Every device will have a little button that, when pressed, will transfer a few cents from our bank accounts to the RIAA coffers. When the transfer is completed the tune will commence playing. Note to RIAA: This idea is my intellectual property. I expect heavy royalties. The music industry has been spoiled by compliant media player manufacturers and a public all too willing to roll over. Their insatiable avarice will continue unabated until every tune ever produced will have its own encryption that will require the listener to pay a fee each time the tune is played. Every device will have a little button that, when pressed, will transfer a few cents from our bank accounts to the RIAA coffers. When the transfer is completed the tune will commence playing.

Note to RIAA: This idea is my intellectual property. I expect heavy royalties.

]]> By: Lauren the Ghoti http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386118 Lauren the Ghoti Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:41:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386118 Once again, effing lawyers. Your iPod 'pirate royalty' theory there is very nice, SN. Letting their overreaching greed blind them to the fact that they're handing pirates a ready-made defense - priceless. An object lesson in the Law of Unintended Consequences, as it were. Riddle: You're stuck in an elevator with Moqtada al-Sadr, Osama bin Laden and an entertainment lawyer. You have a gun, but only two bullets. What do you do? A: Shoot the lawyer twice, to make sure he's dead. Once again, effing lawyers.

Your iPod ‘pirate royalty’ theory there is very nice, SN. Letting their overreaching greed blind them to the fact that they’re handing pirates a ready-made defense – priceless. An object lesson in the Law of Unintended Consequences, as it were.

Riddle: You’re stuck in an elevator with Moqtada al-Sadr, Osama bin Laden and an entertainment lawyer. You have a gun, but only two bullets. What do you do?

A: Shoot the lawyer twice, to make sure he’s dead.

]]> By: forrest http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/universal-music-to-apple-ipods-are-repositories-for-stolen-music-so-give-us-a-cut-of-your-profits/comment-page-1/#comment-386086 forrest Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:49:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8331#comment-386086 UMG just wants its cake and eat it too... The labels will continue to try to get every penny they can with litigation... UMG just wants its cake and eat it too…

The labels will continue to try to get every penny they can with litigation…

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