Comments on: Zune sells well in its debut, but not as well as the iPod http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:22:27 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-387548 Smartalix Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:48:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-387548 22, Good point, Mike. The iPod shuffle is a great little device. 22,

Good point, Mike. The iPod shuffle is a great little device.

]]> By: Mike Voice http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-387491 Mike Voice Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:29:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-387491 Interesting that "Zune" vs "iPod" is discussed, when there is basically one size of Zune, but 3 different sizes of iPod. http://www.apple.com/itunes/ The only people Zune can attract are the ones interested in an "iPod". People interested in a Shuffle or Nano could give a fig about "Zune vs iPod", since M$ has no product in that space. Interesting that “Zune” vs “iPod” is discussed, when there is basically one size of Zune, but 3 different sizes of iPod.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/

The only people Zune can attract are the ones interested in an “iPod”.

People interested in a Shuffle or Nano could give a fig about “Zune vs iPod”, since M$ has no product in that space.

]]> By: The other Tom http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-387311 The other Tom Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:26:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-387311 10 The Zune <b>DOES NOT</b> have any DRM-adding features. You can <b><i>only</i></b> share the DRM-laden songs you download from the Zune Marketplace. Plus, that could hardly be considered a "feature". 10
The Zune DOES NOT have any DRM-adding features. You can only share the DRM-laden songs you download from the Zune Marketplace.

Plus, that could hardly be considered a “feature”.

]]> By: Luís Camacho http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-387205 Luís Camacho Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:16:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-387205 @11 "Why does the Creative Zen M always get left out of the discussion? It is really quite nice." Good question, I don't even know why are these guys discussing this, IMHO it's irrelevant. Asides iPod there's a bunch of other top brands players like Creative, there's also middle sized brands of players, there's small/local brands of players and there's chinese/HK companies players. There must be like around dozens if not hundreds of diferent brands and models of Mp3 players, what does it matter adding more 1 to this market? It's just another 1 in 100, how really cares? Is all this fuss simply because the player is Microsoft branded? That's silly let me tell you. @11 “Why does the Creative Zen M always get left out of the discussion? It is really quite nice.”

Good question, I don’t even know why are these guys discussing this, IMHO it’s irrelevant. Asides iPod there’s a bunch of other top brands players like Creative, there’s also middle sized brands of players, there’s small/local brands of players and there’s chinese/HK companies players.
There must be like around dozens if not hundreds of diferent brands and models of Mp3 players, what does it matter adding more 1 to this market? It’s just another 1 in 100, how really cares? Is all this fuss simply because the player is Microsoft branded? That’s silly let me tell you.

]]> By: Lauren the Ghoti http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-387115 Lauren the Ghoti Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:15:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-387115 What a POS. At the rate it started out, it's all downhill from here. It's highly unlikely to even make it to version 3.0, at which point it would have 'developed' into merely a sad iPod wannabe. The parallels with Win v. Mac OS are instructive. Watch it. By this time next year, it will have disappeared without a trace, down the Micro$oft Memory Hole, to join the countless other MS blunders, bombs and amateurish half-ass clones of other peoples' products. If those clowns spent a fraction of what they spend on lawyers on getting some R&D talent (and creative programmers instead of hacks), they could maybe, someday, conceivably come up with a original product that actually does something properly. But since dreck continues to bring in the bucks, and sheep continue to be born, there's no need for them to change a thing... So Sneereth The Ghoti What a POS. At the rate it started out, it’s all downhill from here. It’s highly unlikely to even make it to version 3.0, at which point it would have ‘developed’ into merely a sad iPod wannabe. The parallels with Win v. Mac OS are instructive.

Watch it. By this time next year, it will have disappeared without a trace, down the Micro$oft Memory Hole, to join the countless other MS blunders, bombs and amateurish half-ass clones of other peoples’ products.

If those clowns spent a fraction of what they spend on lawyers on getting some R&D talent (and creative programmers instead of hacks), they could maybe, someday, conceivably come up with a original product that actually does something properly. But since dreck continues to bring in the bucks, and sheep continue to be born, there’s no need for them to change a thing…

So Sneereth The Ghoti

]]> By: Robert http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386825 Robert Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:02:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386825 I think the "rental" model that Zune marketplace has will eventually win out. It's a way to have access to a HUGE library at a fair price. <a href="http://www.angryfrozenhead.com/articles/Fall2006/zuneswitch.html" rel="nofollow">Angry Frozen Head</a>...has a good video by Reuven Avram on why he swtiched to Zune. I think the “rental” model that Zune marketplace has will eventually win out. It’s a way to have access to a HUGE library at a fair price.

Angry Frozen Head…has a good video by Reuven Avram on why he swtiched to Zune.

]]> By: doug http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386783 doug Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:06:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386783 oh, hey - if M$ wants to shaft the Slingbox, have a USB2.0 vidcap device for the XBox 360 and turn it into a Slingbox. oh, hey – if M$ wants to shaft the Slingbox, have a USB2.0 vidcap device for the XBox 360 and turn it into a Slingbox.

]]> By: doug http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386779 doug Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:02:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386779 1. uncripple wiFi sharing for users' own non-DRMed music 2. enable the music store to sell directly to the player at hotspots 3. come up with an IPTV player and enable it to work with a slingbox. both, of course, with TiVo-like timeshifting. and I am so there. 1. uncripple wiFi sharing for users’ own non-DRMed music
2. enable the music store to sell directly to the player at hotspots
3. come up with an IPTV player and enable it to work with a slingbox. both, of course, with TiVo-like timeshifting.

and I am so there.

]]> By: me http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386685 me Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:02:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386685 I think the moment they get a song (even with the stupid 3 play limit) from someone else the Cool factor will get any kid excited. Now if they would remove that limit for songs not flagged as copyrighted, then someone could just tag all their MP3s as not being copyrighted. If you buy a DRMd song, the limits make sense. I think the moment they get a song (even with the stupid 3 play limit) from someone else the Cool factor will get any kid excited.

Now if they would remove that limit for songs not flagged as copyrighted, then someone could just tag all their MP3s as not being copyrighted.

If you buy a DRMd song, the limits make sense.

]]> By: Peter iNova http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386602 Peter iNova Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:32:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386602 Well son, you said you wanted a music machine you could call your own so your mother and I saved this Christmas present for last. Wow. It feels ... solid! (sound of wrapping paper being shredded) Oh, it's a ... a Zune. Um, thanks a lot. Say dad, did you keep the receipt? Well son, you said you wanted a music machine you could call your own so your mother and I saved this Christmas present for last.

Wow. It feels … solid!

(sound of wrapping paper being shredded)

Oh, it’s a … a Zune. Um, thanks a lot. Say dad, did you keep the receipt?

]]> By: Mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386496 Mark Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:45:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386496 8. You might want to reread your post to see how ridiculous it sounds, unless, of course, it was a joke. 8. You might want to reread your post to see how ridiculous it sounds, unless, of course, it was a joke.

]]> By: Dallas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386481 Dallas Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:33:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386481 A few ways to improve Zune sales.. - Bundle Zunes with Vista or Xbox. - Preload with soft porn (huge sales) - Preload with kiddie porn (huge GOP sales) - Paint it white and sell it to North Korea as an iPOD knockoff A few ways to improve Zune sales..
- Bundle Zunes with Vista or Xbox.
- Preload with soft porn (huge sales)
- Preload with kiddie porn (huge GOP sales)
- Paint it white and sell it to North Korea as an iPOD knockoff

]]> By: 5centcigar http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386450 5centcigar Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:10:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386450 Why does the Creative Zen M always get left out of the discussion? It is really quite nice. Why does the Creative Zen M always get left out of the discussion? It is really quite nice.

]]> By: Paul http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386410 Paul Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:39:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386410 If they'd strip the DRM-adding feature to the wi-fi sharing they would sell twice as many units. The Zune has the makings of a great device, but right now it's simply crippled. If they’d strip the DRM-adding feature to the wi-fi sharing they would sell twice as many units. The Zune has the makings of a great device, but right now it’s simply crippled.

]]> By: V http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/11/30/zune-sells-well-in-its-debut-but-not-as-well-as-the-ipod/comment-page-1/#comment-386389 V Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:12:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8352#comment-386389 I agree. I use WMP11 for my media, so any device I'd even CONSIDER buying MUST work with it. Most people are iTunes, but those that don't are spread across WMP Winamp and lot's of odds and ends. If you can't sell these people a player without requiring them to relocate their music libraries, some of which may need to be converted since Zune only supports WMA, MP3, and AAC. Details like that aside... it's a really nice look and feel. I agree. I use WMP11 for my media, so any device I’d even CONSIDER buying MUST work with it. Most people are iTunes, but those that don’t are spread across WMP Winamp and lot’s of odds and ends. If you can’t sell these people a player without requiring them to relocate their music libraries, some of which may need to be converted since Zune only supports WMA, MP3, and AAC. Details like that aside… it’s a really nice look and feel.

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