Comments on: Murderer thinks prison is too hard, wants to get out early after serving only 8 months! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-394473 OhForTheLoveOf Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:49:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-394473 #37 <i>Everyday in this country, people who have been committed to a mental facility for being crazy and killing someone is released as **cured** and then go out and repeat the act.</i> Really? EVERY DAY? Or is there a bit of hyperbole in there? Is it true that, maybe, you don't really have any hard numbers to back this up and just maybe you think this is true because of the assumptions you make about leftist politics? Maybe? Homocidal maniacs are released everyday from Arkham Asylum, but that's why we keep Batman around. In reality, however, everyday is far more mundane. #37 Everyday in this country, people who have been committed to a mental facility for being crazy and killing someone is released as **cured** and then go out and repeat the act.

Really?

EVERY DAY?

Or is there a bit of hyperbole in there? Is it true that, maybe, you don’t really have any hard numbers to back this up and just maybe you think this is true because of the assumptions you make about leftist politics? Maybe?

Homocidal maniacs are released everyday from Arkham Asylum, but that’s why we keep Batman around. In reality, however, everyday is far more mundane.

]]> By: Greymoon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-394016 Greymoon Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:27:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-394016 #36 Your welcome. #36
Your welcome.

]]> By: joshua http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393816 joshua Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:18:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393816 #31....Unspeakable......you are kidding....right????? Everyday in this country, people who have been committed to a mental facility for being crazy and killing someone is released as **cured** and then go out and repeat the act. I would trust a far left Liberal firebrand to keep a killer behind bars for a longer time than a Doctor at a Mental Facitity. The only way I could get behind a Mental patient being committed until cured is if after declaring him/her cured, they then go to prison to finish serving their hard time. This *kid* murdered without regret.....let him serve his 22 years without parole without regret on societies part. If they want to give him counseling, thats great and can only help, but he still needs to be behind bars at least for his 22 years. #31….Unspeakable……you are kidding….right?????

Everyday in this country, people who have been committed to a mental facility for being crazy and killing someone is released as **cured** and then go out and repeat the act.
I would trust a far left Liberal firebrand to keep a killer behind bars for a longer time than a Doctor at a Mental Facitity. The only way I could get behind a Mental patient being committed until cured is if after declaring him/her cured, they then go to prison to finish serving their hard time.

This *kid* murdered without regret…..let him serve his 22 years without parole without regret on societies part. If they want to give him counseling, thats great and can only help, but he still needs to be behind bars at least for his 22 years.

]]> By: gquaglia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393791 gquaglia Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:37:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393791 #35 I guess I'm just not as enlightened as you. Thank God. #35 I guess I’m just not as enlightened as you. Thank God.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393702 Mr. Fusion Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:36:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393702 33, You wouldn't know justice if it bit you on your ass. You asked how would I react if it was a member of my family that was killed. I responded with “that is the difference between justice and vengeance”. Of course I would want revenge if it was a close family member. But that is why Judges and juries are impartial, to make a reasonable decision, not an emotional reaction. At no time did I suggest his trial was unfair or the verdict was wrong. At no time did I suggest his sentence was vengeance. Of course, you don't have the mental capacity to understand why you are wrong. So I'll suggest you re-read your posts and questions and maybe, just maybe, it might slowly come to you. 33, You wouldn’t know justice if it bit you on your ass. You asked how would I react if it was a member of my family that was killed. I responded with “that is the difference between justice and vengeance”. Of course I would want revenge if it was a close family member. But that is why Judges and juries are impartial, to make a reasonable decision, not an emotional reaction.

At no time did I suggest his trial was unfair or the verdict was wrong. At no time did I suggest his sentence was vengeance. Of course, you don’t have the mental capacity to understand why you are wrong. So I’ll suggest you re-read your posts and questions and maybe, just maybe, it might slowly come to you.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393694 pedro Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:28:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393694 Maybe he got that long a sentenced because the jury was bored by the trial. Talk about retribution Perhaps he finds someone like him who, in a boredom attack, will do to him as he did to others. Maybe he got that long a sentenced because the jury was bored by the trial. Talk about retribution

Perhaps he finds someone like him who, in a boredom attack, will do to him as he did to others.

]]> By: gquaglia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393513 gquaglia Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:32:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393513 <i>Vengeance is taking the law into your own hands and meting out your version of punishment. Something you readily identify with.</i> I'm confused, how is this vengeance? He was tried and convicted in a court of law and sentence was passed. He had a lawyer and all his rights were afforded. He killed someone and now he is in jail. Where am I wrong. You are just a typical lefty who thinks that no one should be responsible for his actions. Vengeance is taking the law into your own hands and meting out your version of punishment. Something you readily identify with.

I’m confused, how is this vengeance? He was tried and convicted in a court of law and sentence was passed. He had a lawyer and all his rights were afforded. He killed someone and now he is in jail. Where am I wrong. You are just a typical lefty who thinks that no one should be responsible for his actions.

]]> By: BHK http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393451 BHK Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:42:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393451 Too bad he didn't wait just a few more years. He could have joined the military, gone to Iraq, killed with impunity, never felt bad for it, and we would have celebrated his career and given him a golden ticket. Too bad he didn’t wait just a few more years. He could have joined the military, gone to Iraq, killed with impunity, never felt bad for it, and we would have celebrated his career and given him a golden ticket.

]]> By: Unspeakable http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393351 Unspeakable Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:34:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393351 This child is most likely a budding sociopath. His disregard for life is a strong indicator of this. If he is confined to prison for the next 21 years his behaviors will only worsen, and upon release he will be just about the median serial killer age. If on the other hand he is confined to a mental facility he can be helped to at least cope in a constructive way (one that doesn't involve killing to alleviate boredom) with his urges. The best part is that he is only released when he is declared well. If his doctors believe he is still a threat he doesn't get to leave no matter how long he is in there. And for the conservatives out there who think this is easy time, you're out of your minds. Prisoners have more rights and privileges then mental patients, because they are still viewed as mentally competent, and there fore have the rights of a regular person. An “incompetent” person does not have these rights because they are viewed as being incapable of functioning in society. This child is most likely a budding sociopath. His disregard for life is a strong indicator of this. If he is confined to prison for the next 21 years his behaviors will only worsen, and upon release he will be just about the median serial killer age. If on the other hand he is confined to a mental facility he can be helped to at least cope in a constructive way (one that doesn’t involve killing to alleviate boredom) with his urges. The best part is that he is only released when he is declared well. If his doctors believe he is still a threat he doesn’t get to leave no matter how long he is in there. And for the conservatives out there who think this is easy time, you’re out of your minds. Prisoners have more rights and privileges then mental patients, because they are still viewed as mentally competent, and there fore have the rights of a regular person. An “incompetent” person does not have these rights because they are viewed as being incapable of functioning in society.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393316 Mr. Fusion Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:12:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393316 #26, You are a fool. <i>That is the difference between Justice and Vengeance It was justice, he participated in a murder and he paid the price. He could have gotten life. Comment by gquaglia — 12/6/2006 @ 10:56 am </i> is in direct response to you other spew, <i>Mr Fusion, you might think differently if the victim was someone in your family. </i> Justice is doing what is right when someone breaks the law. Of course you have no idea of what Justice should be. I remember your past posts advocating torture of prisoners, cheering for the police after tasering a handcuffed victim, and other obscene rants. For reference, see post #25. Vengeance is taking the law into your own hands and meting out <i>your</i> version of punishment. Something you readily identify with. #26, You are a fool.

That is the difference between Justice and Vengeance
It was justice, he participated in a murder and he paid the price. He could have gotten life.
Comment by gquaglia — 12/6/2006 @ 10:56 am

is in direct response to you other spew,
Mr Fusion, you might think differently if the victim was someone in your family.

Justice is doing what is right when someone breaks the law. Of course you have no idea of what Justice should be. I remember your past posts advocating torture of prisoners, cheering for the police after tasering a handcuffed victim, and other obscene rants. For reference, see post #25.

Vengeance is taking the law into your own hands and meting out your version of punishment. Something you readily identify with.

]]> By: SN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393314 SN Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:08:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393314 #28. You may be right. I don't know Florida law either. But I'm just going by what the article said, "Warren Messner will spend the next 22 years in prison without the chance for parole." #28. You may be right. I don’t know Florida law either. But I’m just going by what the article said, “Warren Messner will spend the next 22 years in prison without the chance for parole.”

]]> By: The Other Tom http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393302 The Other Tom Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:03:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393302 17 <i>"He’ll be out when he’s 37. At that time he’ll be given a second chance. "</i> When was the last time anyone actually served a 22 year sentence for 22 years? My bet: he'll be about at 28. But he will be so mal-adjusted that he won't have any idea how to earn a living or contribute to society, so he'll probably begin stealing and eventually kill sombody else. But hey, I believe people are basically good, so that's just my opinion... 17 “He’ll be out when he’s 37. At that time he’ll be given a second chance. “

When was the last time anyone actually served a 22 year sentence for 22 years?
My bet: he’ll be about at 28. But he will be so mal-adjusted that he won’t have any idea how to earn a living or contribute to society, so he’ll probably begin stealing and eventually kill sombody else.

But hey, I believe people are basically good, so that’s just my opinion…

]]> By: Ron http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393224 Ron Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:06:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393224 OK I can't resist: Wait until he meets Bunk Muffin in adult prison, and he'll find out what it's like doing HARD time, with a HARDened criminal. Well, enough bad puns. I'd still rather see him fry though OK I can’t resist: Wait until he meets Bunk Muffin in adult prison, and he’ll find out what it’s like doing HARD time, with a HARDened criminal. Well, enough bad puns.

I’d still rather see him fry though

]]> By: gquaglia http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393211 gquaglia Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:56:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393211 <i>That is the difference between Justice and Vengeance</i> It was justice, he participated in a murder and he paid the price. He could have gotten life. That is the difference between Justice and Vengeance

It was justice, he participated in a murder and he paid the price. He could have gotten life.

]]> By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/12/06/murderer-thinks-prison-is-too-hard-wants-to-get-out-early-after-serving-only-8-months/comment-page-2/#comment-393199 OhForTheLoveOf Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:47:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=8485#comment-393199 #18 <i>Mr Fusion, you might think differently if the victim was someone in your family.</i> That's why families aren't put in the position of presiding over these matters, and the job is entrusted to what we hope is an impartial court and jury. #18 Mr Fusion, you might think differently if the victim was someone in your family.

That’s why families aren’t put in the position of presiding over these matters, and the job is entrusted to what we hope is an impartial court and jury.

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