Well those Muslims in Europe who have basically scared away the police must be delusional.

Guns are a tool just like hammers, knives and automobiles. In all cases, if used improperly, unintended death can occur. Likewise, in all cases mentioned, if used properly both with intent to kill or not, death can occur.

If the knowledge that everyone has a gun prevents criminals from robbing liquor stores or mugging pedestrians, then the gun has done its job. If people could cause death by shooting lasers from their ass and everyone had said power, then I suppose guns wouldn’t be necessary.

If you must quote, do it correctly.

“They that give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

I allways assumed it was about the user, not the product, hmmm.

Remeber, those who would give up liberty for safety, will get neither.

Think I can get Uncle Sugar to give me an M107?

I don’t consider gun control to be giving up freedom. Freedom to me means being able to walk my streets in safety without the risk of being hit by a stray (or intentional) bullet. I don’t want to live in a vigilante society.

The argument comparing it to banning dizziness or swimming is simply ridiculous. It’s like the argument saying to ban cars because more people die in auto accidents. When used incorrectly or irresponsibly these activities can result in death – for guns, death results when they are used as intended.

Ever used a musket? Pain in the butt; plus, you can’t shoot in close quarters or hit anything with any sort of accuracy. And as for misfires, well… As for “catching” deer, the cars along the interstate do a better job of that.

Or, maybe you are right. But why stop at guns? Lets ban everything that kills people. Then everyone lives forever! HOORAY! Solve problems by banning them… are you retarted? Both of those would have happened with a gun ban. The cop sure as hell still would have had one. And I’ll bet the dick that fired a round in a random direction wouldn’t exactly care about the legality of it.

More than half of all gun related deaths in the US are suicides. Add in drug use and it’s 2/3 of the gun deaths. Childeren are some outragous magnitude more likely to drown under parental supervision than to die as a result of a gunshot. Maybe we shouldn’t let children swim…

It’s rediculous to spout off about gun deaths, what 30,000 people a year? Thats less than the flu. Most people die as a result of an accidental fall than an accidental shooting. Ban dizzyness.

Both sides can overdo it, you don’t have a monopoly on rediculous statements. Seriously though, out of all the people for stricter gun control how many also want to ban cigarettes? Now that is a serious question, how far are you willing to push individual freedom for some collective safety?

Anyone who would give up freedom for security deserves neither.

In the first, my uncle, a big city Constable was shot. By an accidental discharge from another cop’s gun. He was never the same again, spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair. He died before he reached 50.

The second, I happened along within seconds of a five yr old being hit by a .303 fired from an old WWII rifle two blocks away. I applied first aid until the ambulance arrived, but I knew someone that size with a hole that big in his chest couldn’t live.

Two accidental shootings. Too many lives affected. But the gun nuts don’t care. This is only collateral damage. They need a bigger piece before the other guy gets one.

#33 — thanks for posting!

Now, imagine you’re a policeman responding to a burglary in progress, everyone has a gun, everyone is scared, everyone is firing. Who do you shoot at first?

What do you do when a citizen accidentally shoots a police officer?

Blame the government for arming everyone and sowing paranoia?