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	<title>Comments on: New disk combines Blu-Ray and HD-DVD formats</title>
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		<title>By: esay</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/01/05/new-disk-combines-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-formats/comment-page-1/#comment-470606</link>
		<dc:creator>esay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how would this work can total hd disc store more than blu-ray discs? 
Otherwise if you want to burn stuff on it your better get blu-ray disc and save all you&#039;re movie&#039;s(or what ever) on that right?
If anyone knows how much total hd can store please tell me
confused??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how would this work can total hd disc store more than blu-ray discs?<br />
Otherwise if you want to burn stuff on it your better get blu-ray disc and save all you&#8217;re movie&#8217;s(or what ever) on that right?<br />
If anyone knows how much total hd can store please tell me<br />
confused??</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, is your Plasma screen EDTV (852x480) or at HDTV (greater than 1280x720)</description>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That seems way too complicated, although as you said, it was done on laserdisc before. I would think a dual laser assy for both systems with the same mechanism would be the cheapest way to implement it. We&#039;ll see it shortly once more data on the LG player sees the light.

I would love to see a splash screen appearing on the tv saying &quot;It&#039;s the other side up, Einstein&quot; while an animation of an old lady slapping a guy silly whenever one inserts the disc the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That seems way too complicated, although as you said, it was done on laserdisc before. I would think a dual laser assy for both systems with the same mechanism would be the cheapest way to implement it. We&#8217;ll see it shortly once more data on the LG player sees the light.</p>
<p>I would love to see a splash screen appearing on the tv saying &#8220;It&#8217;s the other side up, Einstein&#8221; while an animation of an old lady slapping a guy silly whenever one inserts the disc the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: Smartalix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smartalix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartalix.com/Consumer/dvd_format_war.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an essay I wrote on the subject.&lt;/a&gt;

16,

You would still require a dual playback mechanism of some kind. Depending upon component cost and application area, you could have top-and-bottom read mechanisms which would require proper disk orientation prior to insertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smartalix.com/Consumer/dvd_format_war.htm" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here&#8217;s an essay I wrote on the subject.</a></p>
<p>16,</p>
<p>You would still require a dual playback mechanism of some kind. Depending upon component cost and application area, you could have top-and-bottom read mechanisms which would require proper disk orientation prior to insertion.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who here was lucky enough to have seen Muse video?

BTW no need to do that &quot;this side up&quot; thing. Remember the way the 4.7gb limit was first avoided in DVD? Dual sided discs. Those disc have widescreen version on one side &amp; full screen on the other. Others have the movie on one &amp; the extras on the other.

Those dual discs have a ring decal stating which side was widescreen and which one fullscreen. The same thing can be done with this new dual format discs. The flip side is that no more artwork on the discs themselves. An careful with those fingers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who here was lucky enough to have seen Muse video?</p>
<p>BTW no need to do that &#8220;this side up&#8221; thing. Remember the way the 4.7gb limit was first avoided in DVD? Dual sided discs. Those disc have widescreen version on one side &amp; full screen on the other. Others have the movie on one &amp; the extras on the other.</p>
<p>Those dual discs have a ring decal stating which side was widescreen and which one fullscreen. The same thing can be done with this new dual format discs. The flip side is that no more artwork on the discs themselves. An careful with those fingers</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13

I agree. There are quite a few people doing already, but it won&#039;t become big until there&#039;s a user friendly version of the setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13</p>
<p>I agree. There are quite a few people doing already, but it won&#8217;t become big until there&#8217;s a user friendly version of the setup.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are the pros and cons of HD-DVD and BLU-RAY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are the pros and cons of HD-DVD and BLU-RAY?</p>
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		<title>By: Smartalix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smartalix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3, 8,

That will happen, but the time is not yet ripe. We&#039;re getting there fast, though. Broadband VOD (video on demand) coupled with honking big hard drives will dominate the living room, synching with personal media players for when the user isn&#039;t home. Soon removable singe-file media will only be a niche market. (Then again, single-file sales are a major factor in retail, so disks may stay viable for a long time. Wal-Mart can&#039;t sell you what it can&#039;t package.)

10,

Actually, there will be a diffrent technology per side, each with multiple layers of the representative format. The player would have to have a &quot;this side up&quot; sign on the tray with a fixed mechanism above and below or a swivel dual-side dual-format mechanism as was used in the late-generation DVD/LaserDisc players. (I still have my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.avrev.com/equip/pioneer/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pioneer DVL-91&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3, 8,</p>
<p>That will happen, but the time is not yet ripe. We&#8217;re getting there fast, though. Broadband VOD (video on demand) coupled with honking big hard drives will dominate the living room, synching with personal media players for when the user isn&#8217;t home. Soon removable singe-file media will only be a niche market. (Then again, single-file sales are a major factor in retail, so disks may stay viable for a long time. Wal-Mart can&#8217;t sell you what it can&#8217;t package.)</p>
<p>10,</p>
<p>Actually, there will be a diffrent technology per side, each with multiple layers of the representative format. The player would have to have a &#8220;this side up&#8221; sign on the tray with a fixed mechanism above and below or a swivel dual-side dual-format mechanism as was used in the late-generation DVD/LaserDisc players. (I still have my <a href="http://www.avrev.com/equip/pioneer/index.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pioneer DVL-91</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 Maybe your PS3 suffers from the downsampling bug being talked about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 Maybe your PS3 suffers from the downsampling bug being talked about.</p>
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		<title>By: JoaoPT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoaoPT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah. To my extreme sorry, the future will not be neither bluray nor HD DVD. It will be pipes. Fat ones. The move to digital distribution of content has already begun. Why should you go out to Blockbuster in the cold when you can just download it to your media center device HD (hard disk). My local cable and phone companies are already battling on a bandwidth war. They all do 24Mbps and one is even selling fiber optics access at 50Mbps. And the cable sells voip telephony and the phone operators sell smart TV over DSL. Seagate just announced the first Terabyte drive, coming out in 3 months. The writing is on the wall:
Media Center connected to fat pipes.

And I&#039;m sorry for this because the grip gets tighter around you. The more dependant on wired distribution you are, the more control they have over you.

Nowdays I can go to Blockbuster and rent a movie. And if I really like it, later I can go and buy it from them at discount prices. But you see, this plastic disc has payed royalties only once, when was bought by blockbuster. The wired IP model of content distribution will charge you whenever you see a movie, or listen to a song. It&#039;s a moneytising heaven for mpaa/riaa companies. Plain simple as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah. To my extreme sorry, the future will not be neither bluray nor HD DVD. It will be pipes. Fat ones. The move to digital distribution of content has already begun. Why should you go out to Blockbuster in the cold when you can just download it to your media center device HD (hard disk). My local cable and phone companies are already battling on a bandwidth war. They all do 24Mbps and one is even selling fiber optics access at 50Mbps. And the cable sells voip telephony and the phone operators sell smart TV over DSL. Seagate just announced the first Terabyte drive, coming out in 3 months. The writing is on the wall:<br />
Media Center connected to fat pipes.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sorry for this because the grip gets tighter around you. The more dependant on wired distribution you are, the more control they have over you.</p>
<p>Nowdays I can go to Blockbuster and rent a movie. And if I really like it, later I can go and buy it from them at discount prices. But you see, this plastic disc has payed royalties only once, when was bought by blockbuster. The wired IP model of content distribution will charge you whenever you see a movie, or listen to a song. It&#8217;s a moneytising heaven for mpaa/riaa companies. Plain simple as this.</p>
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		<title>By: noname</title>
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		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn Good and simple ingenuity, I should of thought of it.  

Sounds like the will be using two different layers, one layer for one format and another for the other.  I wonder which layer LG Electronics DVD players that can play formats will default too or will it just get confused.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Good and simple ingenuity, I should of thought of it.  </p>
<p>Sounds like the will be using two different layers, one layer for one format and another for the other.  I wonder which layer LG Electronics DVD players that can play formats will default too or will it just get confused.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with impeccable timing (but jonesing for HD content for the new TV), I bought a Toshiba HD-A2 HDDVD player last month.  On a 42&quot; plasma, I could very easily tell the difference between a HDDVD and a SDDVD, although the upscaling on the latter was excellent as well.

good on Warner Bros for a dual-format disk.  I have more enthusiasm for it than the dual-format players, which will no doubt be premium priced for at least a year, as they soak the early adopters and try to pay for the double-load of HD hardware.

and Total HD as a hardship for retailers?  just another advantage for on-line sellers like Amazon who don&#039;t need a third rack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with impeccable timing (but jonesing for HD content for the new TV), I bought a Toshiba HD-A2 HDDVD player last month.  On a 42&#8243; plasma, I could very easily tell the difference between a HDDVD and a SDDVD, although the upscaling on the latter was excellent as well.</p>
<p>good on Warner Bros for a dual-format disk.  I have more enthusiasm for it than the dual-format players, which will no doubt be premium priced for at least a year, as they soak the early adopters and try to pay for the double-load of HD hardware.</p>
<p>and Total HD as a hardship for retailers?  just another advantage for on-line sellers like Amazon who don&#8217;t need a third rack.</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3

Exactly... store your stuff on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,120279-page,1/article.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;huge hard drives&lt;/a&gt; instead. A 750 GB Seagate could store roughly 25-50 HD DVDs or 15-30 Blu-ray discs. Not only does the hard drives take less space, but I believe it might be cheaper per GB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3</p>
<p>Exactly&#8230; store your stuff on <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,120279-page,1/article.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">huge hard drives</a> instead. A 750 GB Seagate could store roughly 25-50 HD DVDs or 15-30 Blu-ray discs. Not only does the hard drives take less space, but I believe it might be cheaper per GB.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Blu-Ray and HD-DVD had a baby, how sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Blu-Ray and HD-DVD had a baby, how sweet.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now you pay the price of two players combined because the manufacturers didn&#039;t do their market research properly. There&#039;s no end to the costs business will try to fob off onto the consumer these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now you pay the price of two players combined because the manufacturers didn&#8217;t do their market research properly. There&#8217;s no end to the costs business will try to fob off onto the consumer these days.</p>
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