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	<title>Comments on: Cisco files infringement suit against Apple over iPhone Trademark</title>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/01/10/cisco-files-infringement-suit-against-apple-over-iphone-trademark/comment-page-2/#comment-433611</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Beatles (or what&#039;s left of them) cannot be mad because mac used their trademark, but mac has all the right to be mad at Cisco. Yeah, I can see the logic in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Beatles (or what&#8217;s left of them) cannot be mad because mac used their trademark, but mac has all the right to be mad at Cisco. Yeah, I can see the logic in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54&lt;i&gt;That means, before it is even released, the iPhone is already a bigger loser than the Zune. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, sure....

Apple can call it &quot;iPhone&quot; in: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, European Union, Singapore, United Kingdom - because they have either been granted the mark, or have applied for it.

http://tinyurl.com/yjtgb8

They can call it something else, in the US - if they have to - but everyone will call it &quot;iPhone&quot; no matter what the &lt;i&gt;official&lt;/i&gt; name is.

Cisco tried to use the looming announcement date as leverage against Apple, and lost the bet.

Mr Chandler says it wasn&#039;t about &lt;i&gt;money&lt;/i&gt;: &quot;We hoped our products could &lt;b&gt;interoperate&lt;/b&gt; in the future.&quot;

You try to force the kings of closed systems into giving you &lt;b&gt;interoperability&lt;/b&gt; with their newest gadget, and wonder &quot;why can&#039;t we all just get along&quot;???

Am I supposed to believe Mr Chandler is really that naive???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54<i>That means, before it is even released, the iPhone is already a bigger loser than the Zune. </i></p>
<p>Yeah, sure&#8230;.</p>
<p>Apple can call it &#8220;iPhone&#8221; in: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, European Union, Singapore, United Kingdom &#8211; because they have either been granted the mark, or have applied for it.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjtgb8" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/yjtgb8' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yjtgb8</a></p>
<p>They can call it something else, in the US &#8211; if they have to &#8211; but everyone will call it &#8220;iPhone&#8221; no matter what the <i>official</i> name is.</p>
<p>Cisco tried to use the looming announcement date as leverage against Apple, and lost the bet.</p>
<p>Mr Chandler says it wasn&#8217;t about <i>money</i>: &#8220;We hoped our products could <b>interoperate</b> in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>You try to force the kings of closed systems into giving you <b>interoperability</b> with their newest gadget, and wonder &#8220;why can&#8217;t we all just get along&#8221;???</p>
<p>Am I supposed to believe Mr Chandler is really that naive???</p>
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		<title>By: Booya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Booya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apple Phone&quot; for the win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apple Phone&#8221; for the win!</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#57 bad news, in revenge to MS that never created a &quot;nice&quot; way to synch pocketpc&#039;s to macs, mac decided to make it hard to sync the i&#039;llphone to a pc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#57 bad news, in revenge to MS that never created a &#8220;nice&#8221; way to synch pocketpc&#8217;s to macs, mac decided to make it hard to sync the i&#8217;llphone to a pc</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am tired of these &#039;i&#039; naming stuff from everything Apple, so childish </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of these &#8216;i&#8217; naming stuff from everything Apple, so childish</p>
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		<title>By: jag</title>
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		<dc:creator>jag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its a nice device, i watched the keynote and am liking the apple  even more... might be a decent addition to my windows world...

just sooo damn expensive hardware</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a nice device, i watched the keynote and am liking the apple  even more&#8230; might be a decent addition to my windows world&#8230;</p>
<p>just sooo damn expensive hardware</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;#45, Suicide. Seriously guys. A number of you should consider it. 
Comment by James Hill — 1/11/2007 @ 8:18 am 
&lt;/i&gt;

Where is an editor when you need one? I&#039;ve had posts edited for far less offensive then this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>#45, Suicide. Seriously guys. A number of you should consider it.<br />
Comment by James Hill — 1/11/2007 @ 8:18 am<br />
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<p>Where is an editor when you need one? I&#8217;ve had posts edited for far less offensive then this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54,

That might be clever if it were at all true.  AAPL opened just under $87 on Tuesday morning before the announcement, and it closed today at $95.80 after a -1.20 loss.

So should we just go ahead and conclude now that you are full of shit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54,</p>
<p>That might be clever if it were at all true.  AAPL opened just under $87 on Tuesday morning before the announcement, and it closed today at $95.80 after a -1.20 loss.</p>
<p>So should we just go ahead and conclude now that you are full of shit?</p>
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		<title>By: GregA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Voice,

Stock market closed.  Apple lost all of their gains from the iPhone announcement due to the lawsuit.  I wonder if apple calling the lawsuit &quot;silly&quot; helped or hurt the stock?  Thats more than a billion dollars already lost...

That means, before it is even released, the iPhone is already a bigger loser than the Zune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Voice,</p>
<p>Stock market closed.  Apple lost all of their gains from the iPhone announcement due to the lawsuit.  I wonder if apple calling the lawsuit &#8220;silly&#8221; helped or hurt the stock?  Thats more than a billion dollars already lost&#8230;</p>
<p>That means, before it is even released, the iPhone is already a bigger loser than the Zune.</p>
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		<title>By: GregA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#50,

Don&#039;t know what you are talking about.  Mine works fantastically.  The pay per use on GPS sucks though, however it has been worth every penny the three times I have used it.  The last time I used the GPS, I had to go to an industrial electricians store to buy a 500 volt switch.  I bet the GPS saved me 2 hours AT LEAST.  Also, the GPS works amazingly well on the lakes.  You always know exactly where you are.

Why would I need bluetooth?  When I buy music on my phone, it automatically appears in windows media player. Amazing!  No Sync required!

And one more thing.

When I am in a VCast service area, I can watch live tv on it.

But, yah, it sucks, whatever you say dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#50,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what you are talking about.  Mine works fantastically.  The pay per use on GPS sucks though, however it has been worth every penny the three times I have used it.  The last time I used the GPS, I had to go to an industrial electricians store to buy a 500 volt switch.  I bet the GPS saved me 2 hours AT LEAST.  Also, the GPS works amazingly well on the lakes.  You always know exactly where you are.</p>
<p>Why would I need bluetooth?  When I buy music on my phone, it automatically appears in windows media player. Amazing!  No Sync required!</p>
<p>And one more thing.</p>
<p>When I am in a VCast service area, I can watch live tv on it.</p>
<p>But, yah, it sucks, whatever you say dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/01/10/cisco-files-infringement-suit-against-apple-over-iphone-trademark/comment-page-2/#comment-432809</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49 &lt;i&gt;Apple has already done substantial damage to the iPhone trademark.&lt;/i&gt;

A trademark Apple owns in several other countries.... and Apple has owned iphone.org for years...

&lt;i&gt;Not only will they be seeking injunctive relief, but I suspect they want the treble damages as well. &lt;/i&gt;

Treble? 3x of &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt;, exactly?

Will they bring in the RIAA&#039;s accountants to help &quot;estimate&quot; their &quot;losses&quot;? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49 <i>Apple has already done substantial damage to the iPhone trademark.</i></p>
<p>A trademark Apple owns in several other countries&#8230;. and Apple has owned iphone.org for years&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Not only will they be seeking injunctive relief, but I suspect they want the treble damages as well. </i></p>
<p>Treble? 3x of <i>what</i>, exactly?</p>
<p>Will they bring in the RIAA&#8217;s accountants to help &#8220;estimate&#8221; their &#8220;losses&#8221;? <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also interesting that www.iphone.com links to yet another &quot;iPhone&quot; service from another company which seems to be unrelated to either Apple or Cisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also interesting that <a href="http://www.iphone.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.iphone.com' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.iphone.com</a> links to yet another &#8220;iPhone&#8221; service from another company which seems to be unrelated to either Apple or Cisco.</p>
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		<title>By: tallwookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>tallwookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#49 - ouch, that sucks - the razr is among the worst pos mobile device out there - malfuctioning hardware issues, crippled bluetooth, faulty OS, and the patches break the phone more then they fix it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#49 &#8211; ouch, that sucks &#8211; the razr is among the worst pos mobile device out there &#8211; malfuctioning hardware issues, crippled bluetooth, faulty OS, and the patches break the phone more then they fix it</p>
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		<title>By: GregA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38,

You missed one thing.  Apple has already done substantial damage to the iPhone trademark.  Not only will they be seeking injunctive relief, but I suspect they want the treble damages as well.  The settlement could well reach into the billions of dollars, wiping out years of Apple gains in the marketplace.  

Apple is going to take quite a drubbing over this clear cut case of trademark violation.  Shame on Steve for this clear cut case of IP theft.  It is so blatant that I suspect that the iPhone demo was his Swan Song.

Also...

Ive beem using my Razr phone all day today.  One thing I noticed, is when Im not using hands free, I am using it with one hand.  The more I think about that gawd awful touch screen interface, the more doubts I have that the apple engineers thought the touch screen through.  At the size that thing is, there is no way to use it one handed.

Wow, also I underestimated the degree to which cell phone users HATE Cingular and ATT wireless.  Just wow.  What was apple thinkin...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38,</p>
<p>You missed one thing.  Apple has already done substantial damage to the iPhone trademark.  Not only will they be seeking injunctive relief, but I suspect they want the treble damages as well.  The settlement could well reach into the billions of dollars, wiping out years of Apple gains in the marketplace.  </p>
<p>Apple is going to take quite a drubbing over this clear cut case of trademark violation.  Shame on Steve for this clear cut case of IP theft.  It is so blatant that I suspect that the iPhone demo was his Swan Song.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;</p>
<p>Ive beem using my Razr phone all day today.  One thing I noticed, is when Im not using hands free, I am using it with one hand.  The more I think about that gawd awful touch screen interface, the more doubts I have that the apple engineers thought the touch screen through.  At the size that thing is, there is no way to use it one handed.</p>
<p>Wow, also I underestimated the degree to which cell phone users HATE Cingular and ATT wireless.  Just wow.  What was apple thinkin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly what is the trademark, putting an i before a word? 

Now you know people, never use a word that starts with an i in your product and surely never ever add an i, that&#039;s trademark infringement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what is the trademark, putting an i before a word? </p>
<p>Now you know people, never use a word that starts with an i in your product and surely never ever add an i, that&#8217;s trademark infringement.</p>
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