Obama Smeared As Former ‘Madrassa’ Student, Possible Covert Muslim Extremist

Doug

If you don’t think the Clinton political machine is capable and planning to d things like this and worse you don’t know the Clintons especially Hillary.

Arkansas Resident

Oh, and what do you know… Hillary just launched her bid for the White House.

I’m sure that’s just a coincidence, right, Doug?

Hillary can’t afford a free for all in the primaries. She needs to be seen as her parties choice early. All the money and energy will need to be expended in the general. Of course she will take out any front runners early. This isn’t costing her campaign a cent.

#5. So I’m guessing by your comments that you would not vote for Obama because you feel that your vote would be useless. If most Americans act the same way, then I’m not so sure I want to be here much longer.

Read Hillary’s book. You will get a better sense of what she is capable of.

This is all fox news trying to play their usual lieing game, trying to scare people into not voting for someone then blaming the lie on another democrat, its a pathetic ploy to put a new spin on their constant lieing, and totalitarian television network, which thinks it still can manipulate people even after fox news is known primarily to be a fraud. Its a sorry excuse for the republicans, not even the smartest lie is going to stop a Democrat from taking the Whitehouse in 2009.

Zen, that was a bigoted comment. Christian Home schooling is done in a home by parents. There is also Muslim home schooling. Neither are anything like a Madrassa (or madrasah). See the wikipedia to get a clue (a crapshoot clue anyways) here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah

The main thing in many cases (for youth) is complete memorization of the Koran. That’s the focus. I know of NO Christian schools or home schooling that is focused on memorizing the Bible from beginning to end. Read something — anything — about a topic before posting. Cripes.

And for Doug, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s a duck. You can’t prove that Karl Rove did half the stuff he’s been accused of either. Hell, if Hillary was actually caught in this then I would assume she didn’t do it and Rove set it up to make her look bad.

Stories like this are not developed by the press. They are tipped off. I can assure you that few of today’s reporters have enough time or resources to dredge up this sort of stuff on their own anymore. Everything is now manipulated by PR firms and sleazeballs.

All i am saying – there is NO PROOF that this crap was planted by the Clintons. Show me the proof, and I will believe it.

That’s fairly reasonable.

The haters on the right would do this to any viable candidate these days who had Muslim-sounding names.

Whoops! So much for requiring proof, huh? I guess you only need proof when a Democrat is accused of doing something, eh?

#16. note that I was not fingering anyone in particular on this one, like the Clintons.

If I was going to operate by the standards of that accusation, I would say that it was obvious the Sam Brownback organization planted this rumor.

Since this was aired on “FOX and Friends,” the assertion that this is a right-wing smear job is a bit better grounded.

#15. “If the Republican party is indeed dominated by “haters” as you suggest,”

I did not suggest that the GOP was dominated by haters. This is a typical hatchet-job by right-wingers, though, for whom accusations of treason are SOP. Cf. Swift Boaters.

#14. “And for Doug, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s a duck”

Then why wouldnt it have been planted by, say Dennis Kucinich, or Chris Dodd, or any of the other Dem candidates, if the purpose of torpedoing Obama? there’s a lot of ducks in that pond.

I did not suggest that the GOP was dominated by haters.

My mistake, I looked back and the post to which I was replying was actually gquaglia’s.

On the other hand…

This is a typical hatchet-job by right-wingers, though, for whom accusations of treason are SOP. Cf. Swift Boaters

So what’s wrong with pointing out the truth about Kerry’s phony war record?

Wouldnt it be funny that after Bush has made the Executive so dominant in our government, and grabbed police powers to intimidate and spy on dissent, he may end up turning this increased power over to a closet Muslim in the next election?

This is what I was afraid of about Fox News being owned by a Clintonista. Murdoch can force Fox to spin things for Hillary.

Blech — politics are so ugly these days. And I mostly blame the GOP that Newt Gingrich created.

Mark my words — NOT MATTER WHO gets the nomination for the Dems, many conservatives will be TOTALLY CONVINCED that they are “despicable human beings.”

NO MATTER WHO…. ABSOLUTELY NOT MATTER WHO (it could be the next Mother Teresa!) — hey will get systematically smeared as liars, cheats, power-grabbing, morally-weak and anti-Christian. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. NO MATTER!

And the sucker rank-and-file will be convinced this is true… NO MATTER WHO IT IS.

#29 -
Why, Andrew, you shock me! How can you have failed to notice that Obama’s skin pigmentation automatically puts a halo over his head??

See, it’s like this: in the past, some whites treated some blacks badly. (We will of course carefully, deliberately gloss over the fact that some from every racial group have done wrong to some of every other racial group – we ignore this because it doesn’t support our belief in dividing the world neatly into “victims” and “victimizers”)

Since, as you see, blacks are the only “victims” of racism (which blacks are incapable of), then whites are the only racists. Therefore, Obama must be assumed to be virtuous (AND qualified for leader of the free world) because he’s not white. QED.

I surely thought you would’ve gotten the memo by now…

#30, Lauren, Don’t blame Andrew. It is my fault he didn’t get the memo. When I went to give it to him, he was outside smoking some shit with his homies. Since you know that isn’t my scene, I meant to give to him after he came back in. I missed him then because he was on some, oh what did they call it, a “Quick Boat” mission to ruin some halfrican, whatever that is all about. I ended up giving it to some fat dude named Carl Rove who promised to make sure he got it.

So blame me for him not getting the memo.

Fascinating – I live in Mexico, and even I got the damn memo. By the time it got down here the particular interest groups had been erased and written over by other interest groups so many times I couldn’t tell who was victimized by whom. That made it sorta generic, which no doubt improved its accuracy.

Seriously, this whole flap stinks of right-wing disinformation, like Swift Boat. (I’m not a Kerry fan, by the way.) The fact that so many still believe that smear proves P.T. Barnum’s assertion about a sucker being born every minute. And it’s why the right wing pro haters get away with smear-’n-sneer tactics. People get all excited and hateful and willing to shoot themselves in the foot by voting against their own best interests. It’s not the Dems who mastered Karl Rove politics.

But since sneer-’n-smear works so well, it wouldn’t be surprising for the less principled Democratic politicians to take it up.

Could Hillary have started this one? Oh, hell yes. Did she? I’m with Doug on that one. Doug’s also right about the likely smears awaiting Bill Richardson (a man who does appear to have one or two principles – nothing scarier to other pols). Edwards has already been sneered at for being too pretty (wink, wink). A Dean post-primary victory yell got twisted into false evidence of psychosis.

I recently read a smear screed indicting Hillary and Kerry for being rude to the staff and secret service agents on their private planes. Not Dumbya, though. He’s a much-loved good ol’ boy you’d actually want to invite to your tailgate party.

Yeah, right.

To misquote Hunter Thompson, we are in for a desperately stupid couple of years.

You people crack me up.

People spouting off about Hillary and Obama, and it’s nearly TWO YEARS until the election. Are you people going to run your yaps for that entire time bitching and moaning about who might get elected?

I’ve got a better idea for you armchair politicians: go out there and make a difference. Run for public office. Make your community better. Because if you aren’t, then you have NO right to slander those who do.

Now, get off your asses and go do something.

#29 >> Honest to god what has Obama EVER done that makes him qualified to be President?

It’s what he says that inspires Democrats. And how he says it. We are SO CRAVING a smart leader who speaks well.

It’s funny to hear conservatives (I don’t know if that’s you) who bring up the “experience” issue about Obama, when their Bush Jr. had failed — and then was bailed out — of nearly everything he’d done until then.

Now, we taxpayers are bailing out their Bush Jr. again, to the tunes of billions heaped upon billions of dollars. The lowball figure for the Iraq war alone is a cool trillion dollars.

I, myself, refuse to pick a candidate but I can’t help but laugh at conservatives who bring up the experience issue.

I also wonder why the liberals are not happy owning every major news source except Fox? Does it bother you guys that there is a channel on TV that gives an opposing point of view? Fox news has been the only news channel that will have anybody on from either side. For any of the other channels they need to make sure they load up the left’s position by 2-1 before they even think of hearing a conservative point of view. That makes Fox a problem? Too bad, deal with it. See when you actually get into a factual debate you guys cannot win, which is why you guys can’t gain any traction on talk radio. There are no fancy graphics and video misediting of facts to fool the easily fooled. Even this is coming to an end in the MSM as Dan Rather found out the hardway. Before the Internet Rather would have been able to get away with it. Not anymore. If you guys want a real education and not afraid to hear what you don’t want to hear listen to Michael Savage (who is no fan of Bush BTW).

I think most liberals need a serious education and actually talk to real conservatives, who are not all even remotely overly religious or in many cases religious at all. I have found almost all liberals to elitist and smug. This is how break each side down:

Liberals = Idealists
Conservatives = Realists

I’m a realist thus a conservative. I am not fooled by the smoke and mirrors of Obama and the MSM infatuation with American Idolizing Obama. I realize the guy was a drug addict as a teenager, attending an extremist muslim school as a child, has a muslim middle name, has had two devout muslim parents, and is a lawyer by trade. Is he a practicing muslim? Probably not but that hardly makes this a smear campaign. The MSM has tried to make any factual evidence that goes against their agenda Politically Incorrect. Typical but not surprising.

But seriously it is like you guys have this book of who you think should be president based on race and gender. You guys are picking people out of guilt not qualifications. I have never seen more cheerleaders in my life.

Anyone who wants to learn more about “The Religion of Peace” needs to look no further:

Undercover Mosque

If you have not watched this yet I strongly suggest you do before you comment. The true face of Islam is revealed.

“That said, since when is “doing what one says” have shit to do with being virtuous? How does that constitute a valid criterion for a national leader?”

After Clinton it was a requirement. ONE of many. The thing that perplexes me is why you reference dictators? Who all lied and did not do what they said:

Hitler broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
Saddam broke every UN Resolution:
Saddam Hussein’s Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

ect… Hardly a comparison. But like I said being Governor of Texas for five years was a huge qualification to run an administration like the presidency. Governors are the closest thing we have besides Vice Presidents as qualifications.

Iraq isn’t over though the MSM and the left wants us to loose and the cocain allegations have never been substantiated. I hardly agree with everything Bush has done but I do believe he is qualified.

#42 -
“After Clinton it was a requirement. ONE of many. The thing that perplexes me is why you reference dictators? Who all lied and did not do what they said:”

Ya. Under Clinton, everyone had jobs. Everyone’s income rose, not just the ultra-rich. He finished his term with a huge surplus that your pet pseudo-Texan bumblefuck squandered immediately and transformed into the present fiscal disaster for everyone but – wait for it – the ultra-rich. He has gotten us into a sucker’s war that benefits no one but – wanna guess who?? The utterly worst President in the history of the US, and that’s saying something.

I could give a flying fuck about whether Clinton lied or not – Junior’s lies are far worse in both number and severity. The dain-bramaged clot nearly succeeded in turning America into a fascist, one-party police state. His so-called “leadership” has sold this country out to the Chinese so the upper 0.1% can have even more of the working people’s money.
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BTW, get it straight. There’s only 1 ‘O’ in ‘lose,’ which rhymes with ‘booze.’ L-O-O-S-E is the opposite of ‘tight’ and it rhymes with ‘moose.’

And it’s not “ect” it’s E-T-C, short for ET CETERA, not “ECK TETERA” or whatever it is that you and the similarly-literate Dubya think it is.
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“Hitler broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
Saddam broke every UN Resolution:”

You’re gonna hafta do better than that. Those tyrants’ actions matched their words – I didn’t say they were honest, or they played well with others – they proclaimed what they intended to do and did it – and Dubya & his crew have lied through their teeth about everything except their names.

Your preppie dimwit hero has been asked, numerous times, if he ever did coke. He has NEVER SAID HE HASN’T. Know why? ‘Cause if hard evidence pops up one day, he’ll be able to say he never denied it – but if he didn’t – he has no reason on Earth to not simply say “No. I didn’t.”

“Qualified” The shit-for-brains nearly destroys the country – and if the Dems had not regained Congress, he would’ve – and you think he’s “qualified.”

In case you don’t know, Texas (where I’ve lived for the last 16 years) is a ‘weak governor’ state. The assholes who usually occupy that office don’t have much to do, including the current corrupt clown Repug, Ted Nugent’s pal, Rick Perry, another sorry sack ‘o dogshit.

Enjoy all $200 or whatever of your so-called “tax cut.” The hedge-fund bunch up there in Connecticut are using your money to buy $50,000,000 palaces and $35,000,000 Gulfstream-Vs.

Sucker.

#43 -
“If just being black was enough to get the wild support of the Democrats, then Jesse Jackson or Carol Moseley Braun would have done better.”

No, not really. Even Dems, those who aren’t PC ideologues that is, recognize Jesse for the race-baiting hypocrite he is, and Mosely-Braun has plenty of ethical baggage too, that both sides never bother to make a fuss over, for some strange reason…

“I, personally, am just sick of having a president who is not up for the job.”

Join the club, I say. There’s about 250,000,000 of us at last count.

“Obama is smart-as-a-whip and articulate.”

So is my high-school English teacher. So is George Will. Doesn’t qualify any of ‘em to be Leader of the Free World, though.

He doesn’t have remotely enough experience to be trusted with that briefcase with the satphone and the launch codes. We have a lot of people a lot more qualified – and most of them are unlikely to split the vote and thereby throw the Presidency back to the Repugs.

You want a statesman? A brilliant, experienced leader who has a proven track record of busting his ass standing up for the little guy? A man no one has enough money – or anything else – to corrupt? A guy who’s not in it for the money, because he’s always had the option of just fucking off and living like a king but instead has truly made sacrifices to serve the public? And, of course, a populist Democrat of the old school, who actually has the ability to turn this country around and undo much of the social and fiscal damage inflicted on it by the corrupt, immoral, greedy, Bible-thumping, plutocrat hypocrites of the Republican Party?

Honest, intelligent, experienced, uncorruptible – and unelectable, because he will not stoop to telling people what they want to hear:

Ladies and gents, I give you John D. Rockefeller IV.

I figure he’ll bring in about 300 write-in votes.

>> So is my high-school English teacher. So is George Will. Doesn’t qualify any of ‘em to be Leader of the Free World, though.

Wow your high school English teacher edited the Harvard Law Review and graduate magna cum laude from Harvard? And then taught high school English! He can’t have been THAT smart! (Just kidding — I’m thinking of teaching high school myself.)

I heard one of Obama’s former Harvard professor say that he thought Obama may have been the most brilliant student he’d ever seen at Harvard. That says a lot!

But, of course, IQ alone doesn’t make you qualified to be president — but Obama has MORE than just IQ. He has many years of service experience in both politics and community organizing. He even has some business experience.

No, he’s not a Washington insider like, let’s say, John McCain but is that a bad thing?

I totally understand why people are excited by Obama. If you really don’t understand the Obama phenomenon, you may be out-of-touch with mainstream America.

After two terms of chronic incompetence by a sluggish intellectually-lazy leader, we Americans crave someone who is smart, articulate and visionary.

I, personally, have always like John Edwards but my mind is not made up and I will seriously consider Obama.

It is evidently clear the Dems want a celebrity who looks good and talks slick. Just admit it, if Obama wasn’t Black you guys would not be talking about him.

Conservatives haven’t changed, like I said we are realists. Terms like “outside”/”insider” don’t apply. Where did that come from?

Yeah Hussein Obama has tons of experience. Please, fooling a bunch of people to get elected doesn’t count. What are his ideas? Or is he waiting for his people to make them up for him? More socialism? More Taxes?

Ya. Under Clinton, everyone had jobs. Everyone’s income rose, not just the ultra-rich.

You are utterly delusional. I have made more money then I ever had and that is thanks to paying less taxes. It it not my job to support the welfare state the liberals want to create. My money is my money. Nothing changes, you guys are still jealous you haven’t earned any money. Maybe if you guys worked like Dvorak instead of bitching and moaning, maybe you guys could make it too. But the victim mentality doesn’t change.

But seriously what were you a union worker or did you legitimately loose your job to NAFTA and free trade? It was Clinton who introduced NAFTA which tanked the economy. Lets not forget how everything was going into the toilet the last year of Clinton’s policies as their full effect was felt. The “salesman” drove the IT bubble and every sucker jumped in on it. I sailed through and so did every other intelligent conservative. Maybe all the suckers went bankrupt? Awe toooooo bad. Why not go down to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and blow the rest of your savings with the rest of the idiots. If you guys ever want smart advice on money ask a conservative.

I could give a flying fuck about whether Clinton lied or not – Junior’s lies are far worse in both number and severity. The dain-bramaged clot nearly succeeded in turning America into a fascist, one-party police state. His so-called “leadership” has sold this country out to the Chinese so the upper 0.1% can have even more of the working people’s money.

You are fucking crazy. Do you sit around going insane not understanding how our country works? The president has no power remotely near that of a police state. Wake up and smell the constitution. Did you sleep through your government class with your public education? Checks and Balances? Or do they not teach these things in public school anymore? You literally RANT mindless nonsense. Please go listen to more Alex Jones nutty talk.

BTW I could careless if I mispell something typing in some comment section. But it is a gooood thing you pointed it out! ect….

“You’re gonna hafta do better than that”

You are going to have to deal with the truth. They said one thing and did another. You can’t change it, sorry. Go read up on them.

“Enjoy all $200 or whatever of your so-called “tax cut.””

Actually mine was in the thousands but I take it you don’t make much for a living. Cry me a river, maybe the government should start some more entitlement programs so you can get more handouts. Not out of my pocket.

At least you guys confirmed it for me, someone of you are literally insane.

I wouldn’t put anything past the Clinton’s. They’re even more corrupt than Ted Kennedy. Nothing they did could surprise me, up to and including murder and even cannibalism.

>>No because he is a NOBODY who has done NOTHING!

What, do you think he’s been working at a Walmart his whole life?

Read his bio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

>> Liberals = Idealists
>> Conservatives = Realists

Holy smokes what a load of crap!

The conservative opposition to stem-cell research is based in realism? Their demand that Creationism be taught as science? Their stubborn belief that we’re winning in Iraq for the last three years?

You want to see what is really going on in Iraq? Oh thats right you guys don’t watch “Faux” News. So all you see is a body count. Don’t be like Letterman watch before you judge.

Here watch this: What is really going on in Iraq

Did you watch the above Mosque video from the UK? Doubt it.

Geeze, I was going to weigh in, but Andrew, please. It is no fun having a battle of wits with such an unarmed enemy.

Take a pill. Sit down. Take some deep breaths. Relax. Close your eyes. Keep breathing, don’t hold your breath. Think of snow. Gentle snow falling. Big puffy flakes. Keep breathing, that’s it. Big fluffy flakes of snow. Walk through the snow. Catch a snow flake on your tongue. Keep breathing, relax your shoulders. Don’t worry about all that spit on your chin and monitor, it’ll clean off. Slow deep breaths as you walk through the snow,… .

See the difference is I don’t hate Clinton, I disagree with him and saw him for what he was, a salesman. He sold you guys on Health Care TWICE! Hate is something you guys like to throw around when you talk about people you don’t like based on misinformation and fantasy.

I think it is pretty sick to mention something even jokingly like body bags when our soldiers are fighting a war. But like I said nothing surprises me with you guys anymore.

Hey I keep waiting for more generalized blanket statements as I stand in awe waiting to be “outwitted” by absolutely nothing.

Yes, Yes the eternal rambling of liberals mindlessly consumed with their assumptions and unfounded proclamations.

Listen carefully, all I do is pay taxes. I just want to pay for efficient well run services that I have a say in like the police, firedepartment and roads. I do not want to pay for every pie in the sky victim program you guys fabricate as you march towards socialism.

Wealth redistribution? He didn’t raise taxes on the middle class. That was Clinton. Isn’t Wealth redistribution what you guys think will solve all the problem with the REAL illiterates of this country?

Nothing is stopping you from donating all the money you want. The IRS I believe will accept any donations you wish to give. See the thing is, this is not about you being so generous, it is about you wanting the government control mine and every other hard working American’s money.

Yeah you’ll shut up and pay it? What 50%? What insane amount is enough until you wake up and realize the goverment is getting way too much money and run absolutely inefficiently.

You missed many more gramatical errors I made. I could careless I don’t take the time to spell check my comments and there is no way to edit them. But get over it. The fact that I have forgotten about 1000x more about computers then you have ever known should be enough clues. How much money I make and have made does not change. I didn’t go to college to be an English teacher.

No I don’t invest because I don’t take risks. I bet on sure things. Rather I only do sure things. Regardless you should know true conservatives do not like deficits. But taxing your way out of one is not the answer, cutting spending is.

Subsidies for Ethanol production? Isn’t that what all you global warming fanatics want? Hardly corporate welfare. Hey I’m all for cutting any other real corporate welfar but if it means raising taxes forget it.

You then ramble on…. all I see is someone insanely jealous of what they don’t have. Why do you just make insane assumptions? I don’t believe for a minute the rich or ultra-rich care about me in anyway. I also see the statistics and think they pay plenty of money in taxes. I am not fighting for them even remotely, I simply look at things realistically. The problem is government waste.

Conservative and Republican doesn’t mean Ultra-Rich either. Far from it. No one is waving taxes in my face except the IRS! I keep paying more and more taxes! Local, State, Federal. That is all I pay. I pay over 30% when I should be paying no more than 15%.

Why don’t you guy go back to economics 101 and cut back on the DailyKos.

Oh no I didn’t go to college, I made my degree in photoshop and fool dumbasses like you with it.

Oh wait your a mainframe guy? Yeah tough job calling IBM for all your problems. Anytime you pay $100,000 for a “disk drive” IBM does all the support. and am now unemployed because you couldn’t keep up with the latest tech? Hard to get a job when you actually have to know something other than IBM’s 800#.

Wait I bet you programmed in Fortran (Obsolete) too and not VB but C++. when you can’t fix the problem on your Windows box you just blame Microsoft right? Or do you run BSD because it keeps you nostalgic to the obsolete tech you worked with? You using old ass tech and calling IBM doesn’t change how much you don’t know.

Uh-huh the guys on wallstreet all pay only 8% in taxes because the Daily Kos says so. Evidence?

As for where my tax money goes, I wish most of it goes to the war than ANY entitlement program. At least there it is being put to good use.

But now it fits into place now, municipal as in government run? You were a gov employee? Of course you want the handout, you got it before while the rest of us earned a living.

Oh yes from the school of Alex Jones, Bush Started the war because Cheney wanted to make money. Fear the Military Industrial Complex! Come on, don’t you guys have anything knew and that is not an unproveable conspiracy?

BTW dumbass Video Cards haven’t had jumpers in over ten years. Please continue to prove how much you don’t know.

Well, I’m going to move on from this discussion.

Just for the record I want to point out that racism is not dead in America:

#29 >> Barack “Hussein” Obama is a nobody. And you better believe his middle name is not Hawain. I have never seen more people so desperate for a black ooops “African American” to be president

#53>>I am talking about things that qualify him ready to president? Oh I forgot he speaks well and is black.

I, like most Democrats, am not going to vote based on skin color, gender or ethnicity — but I’m certainly not going to vote against it either.

Let the best candidate win on the issues. If they have some sort of minority status, that’s a bonus because it gives them a special insight — but it’s only one piece in the mix.

As a Democrat, I am proud that a black, a woman and a Hispanic believe Democrats are non-bigoted and evolved enough to elect them.

Good for us. Shame on you!