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	<title>Comments on: More Examples of NFL Greed Emerge at Players Meeting. Old-timers Left to Die in Misery.</title>
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		<title>By: James Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/02/more-examples-of-nfl-greed-emerge-at-players-meeting-old-timers-left-to-die-in-misery/comment-page-1/#comment-460773</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 - Rick Rude, for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 &#8211; Rick Rude, for one.</p>
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		<title>By: TJGeezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJGeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the entertainment industry. When has that industry EVER treated its workers right, except under duress? The top people get obscenely rich, the workers with unions live pretty well, everyone else is pretty much expendable. Read about how Disney treated Carl Barks, creator of Unca Scrooge and of Donald Duck&#039;s three nephews. Or Warner Bros. and the creative crew at Loony Tunes. NFL? Same industry, or might as well be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the entertainment industry. When has that industry EVER treated its workers right, except under duress? The top people get obscenely rich, the workers with unions live pretty well, everyone else is pretty much expendable. Read about how Disney treated Carl Barks, creator of Unca Scrooge and of Donald Duck&#8217;s three nephews. Or Warner Bros. and the creative crew at Loony Tunes. NFL? Same industry, or might as well be.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7
$260K sounds like a lot. However, you are forgetting that the average player career lasts less than four years. Further, that is the &lt;i&gt;current&lt;/i&gt; player salary. Guys like Unitas made almost nothing in comparison.

Interesting that Al Davis, a guy that is generally despised by the media and especially in the Bay Area, is the one guy that stands out in terms of helping aging players. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7<br />
$260K sounds like a lot. However, you are forgetting that the average player career lasts less than four years. Further, that is the <i>current</i> player salary. Guys like Unitas made almost nothing in comparison.</p>
<p>Interesting that Al Davis, a guy that is generally despised by the media and especially in the Bay Area, is the one guy that stands out in terms of helping aging players.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren the Ghoti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren the Ghoti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every pro sport also has plenty of guys who took the checks, retained a good lawyer and a good asset manager and got truly rich with little effort and little risk. 

Although there&#039;s always a remote chance of unforseeable, unrecoverable disaster striking, for the vast majority - no matter what your profession - when you net hundreds of thousands - or millions - annually, the only way you can wind up broke is by being a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every pro sport also has plenty of guys who took the checks, retained a good lawyer and a good asset manager and got truly rich with little effort and little risk. </p>
<p>Although there&#8217;s always a remote chance of unforseeable, unrecoverable disaster striking, for the vast majority &#8211; no matter what your profession &#8211; when you net hundreds of thousands &#8211; or millions &#8211; annually, the only way you can wind up broke is by being a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it i agree with #5. they know going in that there are risks but at that age they feel like they can take on the world. 
there are some that succeed like Robert Smith from the vikings.

Also I have a question for James Hill,
what wrestlers died from heart failure due to steriods?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it i agree with #5. they know going in that there are risks but at that age they feel like they can take on the world.<br />
there are some that succeed like Robert Smith from the vikings.</p>
<p>Also I have a question for James Hill,<br />
what wrestlers died from heart failure due to steriods?</p>
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		<title>By: [music] is the gateway drug</title>
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		<dc:creator>[music] is the gateway drug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but we only got a check for $5,000 from one and $10,000 from another. We sent them back.” (This is why Ditka rules!)

I quote the late Chris Farley, &quot;Da Bearssss... Ditka... Sausage... Ditka... sausage... beersss... Ditka.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but we only got a check for $5,000 from one and $10,000 from another. We sent them back.” (This is why Ditka rules!)</p>
<p>I quote the late Chris Farley, &#8220;Da Bearssss&#8230; Ditka&#8230; Sausage&#8230; Ditka&#8230; sausage&#8230; beersss&#8230; Ditka.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current league minimum salary is roughly $260,000.  That&#039;s the minimum.  If I had that much money and squandered it away, then that&#039;s my own fault.

Then again, I do appreciate what Mike Ditka does for retired players.  The older players are my heros, and it&#039;s good to reward a player who inspired the masses towards greatness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current league minimum salary is roughly $260,000.  That&#8217;s the minimum.  If I had that much money and squandered it away, then that&#8217;s my own fault.</p>
<p>Then again, I do appreciate what Mike Ditka does for retired players.  The older players are my heros, and it&#8217;s good to reward a player who inspired the masses towards greatness.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the players really cared about this, they&#039;d put together their own pension fund and bypass the owners.

Ditka is doing the right thing, but he&#039;s going to the wrong source.

Further, I expect to see a rash of player deaths start in about ten years... along the lines of what happened to Waters (brain related) or what&#039;s happened to a number of pro-wrestlers (heart related due to steroid use).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the players really cared about this, they&#8217;d put together their own pension fund and bypass the owners.</p>
<p>Ditka is doing the right thing, but he&#8217;s going to the wrong source.</p>
<p>Further, I expect to see a rash of player deaths start in about ten years&#8230; along the lines of what happened to Waters (brain related) or what&#8217;s happened to a number of pro-wrestlers (heart related due to steroid use).</p>
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		<title>By: Jerk-Face</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerk-Face</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel bad for those guys, but I cannot get excited about this.  Every industry has former employees living in poverty.  Heck, Wal-Mart &lt;em&gt;currently &lt;/em&gt;employs people living in poverty.  

People make choices.  If you want to play professional sports for a living, you&#039;re aware of the health risks, you have to choose what&#039;s most important.  

Heck, that&#039;s why so many athletes, when given the choice between professional baseball and football, choose baseball.  They want to have some life to live after they&#039;re done playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad for those guys, but I cannot get excited about this.  Every industry has former employees living in poverty.  Heck, Wal-Mart <em>currently </em>employs people living in poverty.  </p>
<p>People make choices.  If you want to play professional sports for a living, you&#8217;re aware of the health risks, you have to choose what&#8217;s most important.  </p>
<p>Heck, that&#8217;s why so many athletes, when given the choice between professional baseball and football, choose baseball.  They want to have some life to live after they&#8217;re done playing.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing has happened with the old NASCAR drivers......

The Owners just shrug and say they are free agents and are responsible for their own retirement plan.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing has happened with the old NASCAR drivers&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The Owners just shrug and say they are free agents and are responsible for their own retirement plan.</p>
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		<title>By: John C Dvorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humpf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humpf.</p>
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		<title>By: moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been a couple decades since last I researched this for a medical group in Boston.  But, it used to be that the NFL Players pension used to kick in at age 54.  When I inquired about this to some insurance executives --they said, &#039;No strain.  The average NFL vets lifespan is 52!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a couple decades since last I researched this for a medical group in Boston.  But, it used to be that the NFL Players pension used to kick in at age 54.  When I inquired about this to some insurance executives &#8211;they said, &#8216;No strain.  The average NFL vets lifespan is 52!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(yawns)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(yawns)</p>
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