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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/04/viacom-idiots-demand-youtube-remove-clips/comment-page-2/#comment-1644557</link>
		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Viacom wins this, be forewarned that next step will be that Viacom goes after the ones that posted said infringements on youtube.

@Robert maybe it was best that they deleted your account. It quite possibly be to save you from being sued? At this point with big companies looking to get their pockets filled I wouldn&#039;t put it past them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Viacom wins this, be forewarned that next step will be that Viacom goes after the ones that posted said infringements on youtube.</p>
<p>@Robert maybe it was best that they deleted your account. It quite possibly be to save you from being sued? At this point with big companies looking to get their pockets filled I wouldn&#8217;t put it past them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Google turned over gigabytes worth of free consumer behavior and marketing data for Viacom to use?  I think no matter what the outcome, Viacom is already a big winner here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Google turned over gigabytes worth of free consumer behavior and marketing data for Viacom to use?  I think no matter what the outcome, Viacom is already a big winner here.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so the people at VIACOM are COMPLETE &amp; TOTAL MORONS since up to now they were getting FREE PUBLICITY on youtube. 

Secondly, however, the people at YOUTUBE are pretty STUPID as well! I had over 50 videos of tv posted on youtube but because of the ASS-HOLES IGNORAMUSES at VIACOM, YOUTUBE just deleted my ENTIRE ACCOUNT, even though the little bitches at VIACOM cried and complained ABOUT ONLY 1 video which belonged to them. The rest of the tv video clips I had posted had nothing to do vith VIACOM. Way more than half the videos on youtube come from movies and tv, so why did youtube HAVE TO delete my entire account when there are millions of other tv and movie clips on youtube. 

VIACOM MAY BE RUN BUT ASSHOLE MORONS but I would have thought that the people at YOUTUBE and GOOGLE had just a few more neurons!

IDIOTS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so the people at VIACOM are COMPLETE &amp; TOTAL MORONS since up to now they were getting FREE PUBLICITY on youtube. </p>
<p>Secondly, however, the people at YOUTUBE are pretty STUPID as well! I had over 50 videos of tv posted on youtube but because of the ASS-HOLES IGNORAMUSES at VIACOM, YOUTUBE just deleted my ENTIRE ACCOUNT, even though the little bitches at VIACOM cried and complained ABOUT ONLY 1 video which belonged to them. The rest of the tv video clips I had posted had nothing to do vith VIACOM. Way more than half the videos on youtube come from movies and tv, so why did youtube HAVE TO delete my entire account when there are millions of other tv and movie clips on youtube. </p>
<p>VIACOM MAY BE RUN BUT ASSHOLE MORONS but I would have thought that the people at YOUTUBE and GOOGLE had just a few more neurons!</p>
<p>IDIOTS!</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/04/viacom-idiots-demand-youtube-remove-clips/comment-page-1/#comment-1011337</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,

You know what i find very interesting? -besides that i hate big, greedy money making machineries, like viacom and co., that would even sue their own artists if they get a chance to.

Its that google, and everything google owns, is always viewed as the cool indie guys. The two cool youngish founders, revolutionizing the web. And i agree, they are pure geniouses for that, they have brilliant developers, brilliant &quot;strategizers&quot; and all. But the thing is, that google has pretty much become one of those monster companies as well. I dont know if they are greedy, probably, cause isnt every major company, that is relying on the noble &quot;free trade&quot; and &quot;global economy&quot; philosophies, greedy and corrupt? And isnt it quite a scary thought how much influence google has? in my opinion by now, much more than microsoft or even some tv networks. Although obviously that is debateble as always. Anyways, it does seem like everyone is turning a bit of a blind eye on that fact, because youtube, or google is there for the people as it seems, always offering the best services etc for free. But of course there is more behind it.

So, i just leave that statement as a thought, and although that said, i do agree with most comments here, generally, that viacoms suit is a joke, and has nothing to do with copyright infringement prevention or the like, but is rather a cry for more control and money, like in the &quot;good old days&quot;.

And obviously, google doesnt make money with the &quot;pirated&quot; clips on youtube, it makes money off the huge google community, that nowadays includes almost every avid internet user. You, me, pretty much everyone... The most clever move ever. Automated advertising. Cause, thats where the money lies, not for nothing do major companies spend most parts of their budgets on marketing/advertising...


worldpeace :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>
<p>You know what i find very interesting? -besides that i hate big, greedy money making machineries, like viacom and co., that would even sue their own artists if they get a chance to.</p>
<p>Its that google, and everything google owns, is always viewed as the cool indie guys. The two cool youngish founders, revolutionizing the web. And i agree, they are pure geniouses for that, they have brilliant developers, brilliant &#8220;strategizers&#8221; and all. But the thing is, that google has pretty much become one of those monster companies as well. I dont know if they are greedy, probably, cause isnt every major company, that is relying on the noble &#8220;free trade&#8221; and &#8220;global economy&#8221; philosophies, greedy and corrupt? And isnt it quite a scary thought how much influence google has? in my opinion by now, much more than microsoft or even some tv networks. Although obviously that is debateble as always. Anyways, it does seem like everyone is turning a bit of a blind eye on that fact, because youtube, or google is there for the people as it seems, always offering the best services etc for free. But of course there is more behind it.</p>
<p>So, i just leave that statement as a thought, and although that said, i do agree with most comments here, generally, that viacoms suit is a joke, and has nothing to do with copyright infringement prevention or the like, but is rather a cry for more control and money, like in the &#8220;good old days&#8221;.</p>
<p>And obviously, google doesnt make money with the &#8220;pirated&#8221; clips on youtube, it makes money off the huge google community, that nowadays includes almost every avid internet user. You, me, pretty much everyone&#8230; The most clever move ever. Automated advertising. Cause, thats where the money lies, not for nothing do major companies spend most parts of their budgets on marketing/advertising&#8230;</p>
<p>worldpeace <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Viacom has forgotten what a customer is. YouTube is just another outlet for their products. Just think if Viacom had their way we would have to get rid of all copiers, scanners, carbon paper (showing my age) and anything that makes a copy. That was not the intention of the copyright law and Viacom is going to be hard pressed to say they have lost money because of YouTube. If anything YouTube could be their salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Viacom has forgotten what a customer is. YouTube is just another outlet for their products. Just think if Viacom had their way we would have to get rid of all copiers, scanners, carbon paper (showing my age) and anything that makes a copy. That was not the intention of the copyright law and Viacom is going to be hard pressed to say they have lost money because of YouTube. If anything YouTube could be their salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozymandus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozymandus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t agree with John that Viacom is full of idiots for the following reasons:

1. GOOG bought YouTube to profit on ads GOOG would integrate into those clips.  GOOG, even if it&#039;s making a loss, is still using VIACOM content to generate its business model. As such, GOOG needs a license.  Plain and simple, even if the clips are 5 minutes.

2. It&#039;s kinda silly/extreme to say that GOOG is gonna remove VIACOM deets from the search engine.

3. GOOG is being arrogant in this whole affair by arguing that they&#039;re not responsible for what their users do.  However, I know a few file-sharing companies that tried that argument in court and are now defunct: Kazaa, Sharman Networks, etc.  Yes, if ur responsible for what ur users post on ur site, even if they post a 4 minute clip showing the inside of the Pentagon or something silly like that.

4. GOOG is playing DUMB and DEAF and being idiotic about the whole thing.  Use that Billion dollar valuation and get the damn content filtering software running.  The GOOG whining is so pre IPO.  They can afford it.  Do it.

Ozy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t agree with John that Viacom is full of idiots for the following reasons:</p>
<p>1. GOOG bought YouTube to profit on ads GOOG would integrate into those clips.  GOOG, even if it&#8217;s making a loss, is still using VIACOM content to generate its business model. As such, GOOG needs a license.  Plain and simple, even if the clips are 5 minutes.</p>
<p>2. It&#8217;s kinda silly/extreme to say that GOOG is gonna remove VIACOM deets from the search engine.</p>
<p>3. GOOG is being arrogant in this whole affair by arguing that they&#8217;re not responsible for what their users do.  However, I know a few file-sharing companies that tried that argument in court and are now defunct: Kazaa, Sharman Networks, etc.  Yes, if ur responsible for what ur users post on ur site, even if they post a 4 minute clip showing the inside of the Pentagon or something silly like that.</p>
<p>4. GOOG is playing DUMB and DEAF and being idiotic about the whole thing.  Use that Billion dollar valuation and get the damn content filtering software running.  The GOOG whining is so pre IPO.  They can afford it.  Do it.</p>
<p>Ozy</p>
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		<title>By: Hazzamanazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazzamanazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Brazil. We have &quot;24 Hours&quot; and &quot;Simpsons&quot; here, on Fox channel.

I don&#039;t endorse piracy, but it seens that John had a point: who will spend an hour watching a program on Youtube? The resolution of video and audio are pure shit!
I mean, you can watch to check if the show is good, but keep the video for your self in a garbage resolution? Spend almost an hour in a chair (don&#039;t even try zoom the image, for the sake of your eys!!!)?

Why will this stops me from wanting to see &quot;24 Hours&quot; on Fox channel, with much better quality and sound, is beyond me.

[ ]&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Brazil. We have &#8220;24 Hours&#8221; and &#8220;Simpsons&#8221; here, on Fox channel.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t endorse piracy, but it seens that John had a point: who will spend an hour watching a program on Youtube? The resolution of video and audio are pure shit!<br />
I mean, you can watch to check if the show is good, but keep the video for your self in a garbage resolution? Spend almost an hour in a chair (don&#8217;t even try zoom the image, for the sake of your eys!!!)?</p>
<p>Why will this stops me from wanting to see &#8220;24 Hours&#8221; on Fox channel, with much better quality and sound, is beyond me.</p>
<p>[ ]&#8216;s</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/04/viacom-idiots-demand-youtube-remove-clips/comment-page-1/#comment-461019</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3/4
Viacom does not own CBS, CBS cooperation owns CBS. In 2005 the company decided to split up and I think at the start of 2006 is when the split took place.   (Now the majority of shares of both companies I believe is held by the same company/person, but they are two companies now with two different sets of leaders to make good and bad decisions)
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3/4<br />
Viacom does not own CBS, CBS cooperation owns CBS. In 2005 the company decided to split up and I think at the start of 2006 is when the split took place.   (Now the majority of shares of both companies I believe is held by the same company/person, but they are two companies now with two different sets of leaders to make good and bad decisions)</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the net effect here?

Viacom still makes no more money and pisses off some youtube users?

Youtube uses less b/w by hosting 100,000(?) less clips?

BT download speeds of Stewart and Colbert increase?

I&#039;ll be interested to see if John or Stephen comment on this come monday night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the net effect here?</p>
<p>Viacom still makes no more money and pisses off some youtube users?</p>
<p>Youtube uses less b/w by hosting 100,000(?) less clips?</p>
<p>BT download speeds of Stewart and Colbert increase?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be interested to see if John or Stephen comment on this come monday night.</p>
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		<title>By: Oil Of Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/04/viacom-idiots-demand-youtube-remove-clips/comment-page-1/#comment-461000</link>
		<dc:creator>Oil Of Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Omar
I do live alone...................if for no other reason than to keep the peace (piece?)

I wonder why??? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omar<br />
I do live alone&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.if for no other reason than to keep the peace (piece?)</p>
<p>I wonder why??? <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: OmarThe Alien</title>
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		<dc:creator>OmarThe Alien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I moved I left the satelitte dish and all at the old place, and sprang for the deluxe DSL package in the new one. My coat hanger enhanced TV antenna brings in three channels, and that&#039;s really more than I need. I occasionally watch the Stewart/Colbert clips off the Comedy Channel web site, and most of the other Sat/Cable channels all have streaming video to satisfy my not very acute hunger for these things.
Commercials on broadcast TV bother me not at all, as most of that crap isn&#039;t fit to watch anyways. ETV has the occasionally interesting bit stuck here and there amongst the really boring stuff they are so good at, although their commercial plugs become more in your face with each passing year.
But I&#039;ve got one of those little shiny boxes that seem to play anything you stick in it, and there&#039;s a few big ass cardboard boxes around the house full of DVD&#039;s and VHS tapes so when I do get the urge to watch something on the tube there is no lack of choice.
And yes, I do live alone. If the situation was otherwise then I&#039;d have no choice but to spring for a subscription to something, if for no other reason than to keep the peace (piece?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I moved I left the satelitte dish and all at the old place, and sprang for the deluxe DSL package in the new one. My coat hanger enhanced TV antenna brings in three channels, and that&#8217;s really more than I need. I occasionally watch the Stewart/Colbert clips off the Comedy Channel web site, and most of the other Sat/Cable channels all have streaming video to satisfy my not very acute hunger for these things.<br />
Commercials on broadcast TV bother me not at all, as most of that crap isn&#8217;t fit to watch anyways. ETV has the occasionally interesting bit stuck here and there amongst the really boring stuff they are so good at, although their commercial plugs become more in your face with each passing year.<br />
But I&#8217;ve got one of those little shiny boxes that seem to play anything you stick in it, and there&#8217;s a few big ass cardboard boxes around the house full of DVD&#8217;s and VHS tapes so when I do get the urge to watch something on the tube there is no lack of choice.<br />
And yes, I do live alone. If the situation was otherwise then I&#8217;d have no choice but to spring for a subscription to something, if for no other reason than to keep the peace (piece?)</p>
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		<title>By: lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with general sentiment here.  Since you tube only allows clips (not full shows), any exposure to CC&#039;s shows is publicity, and can only spur non-viewers to try out the whole show (with commercials).   I can&#039;t see how linking to clips is going to hurt the revenue stream at CC/Viacom.

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with general sentiment here.  Since you tube only allows clips (not full shows), any exposure to CC&#8217;s shows is publicity, and can only spur non-viewers to try out the whole show (with commercials).   I can&#8217;t see how linking to clips is going to hurt the revenue stream at CC/Viacom.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9. &lt;em&gt;&quot;And to those who do not get Comedy Central. It ain’t all that great.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I agree.  The vast majority of CC&#039;s programing is crap.  I can&#039;t remember the last time I watched a funny movie on it.  Like you say, it&#039;s all real bad flops from the 80s.  

Heck, didn&#039;t CC have that awful Battlebots show?  What was supposed to be funny about that?!  (Btw, I thought the show was awful only because there were only three competitions per show and each lasted no more than 3 minutes.  Thus, the entire show was at most 9 minutes long stretched into 30 minutes.  If they had filled it up with at least 20 minutes of &lt;em&gt;actual &lt;/em&gt;programing, I would have loved it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9. <em>&#8220;And to those who do not get Comedy Central. It ain’t all that great.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I agree.  The vast majority of CC&#8217;s programing is crap.  I can&#8217;t remember the last time I watched a funny movie on it.  Like you say, it&#8217;s all real bad flops from the 80s.  </p>
<p>Heck, didn&#8217;t CC have that awful Battlebots show?  What was supposed to be funny about that?!  (Btw, I thought the show was awful only because there were only three competitions per show and each lasted no more than 3 minutes.  Thus, the entire show was at most 9 minutes long stretched into 30 minutes.  If they had filled it up with at least 20 minutes of <em>actual </em>programing, I would have loved it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John C. on this. It would be kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. This free publicity is much better then the old discussion around the water cooler the next day. If it is good, they will come again.

And to those who do not get Comedy Central. It ain&#039;t all that great. There are sporadic shows that are really funny and some stand up that hits the spot. But so much programming is just showing the old early 1980s High School movies and rerun after rerun of crap that wasn&#039;t funny the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John C. on this. It would be kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. This free publicity is much better then the old discussion around the water cooler the next day. If it is good, they will come again.</p>
<p>And to those who do not get Comedy Central. It ain&#8217;t all that great. There are sporadic shows that are really funny and some stand up that hits the spot. But so much programming is just showing the old early 1980s High School movies and rerun after rerun of crap that wasn&#8217;t funny the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: morphimus</title>
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		<dc:creator>morphimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go John... way to go! I certainly hope Google&#039;s lawyers get to read this and decide to adopt your idea. And after those Viacom idiots come to their knees, we&#039;ll be like, &quot;see... John Dvorak was right all along!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go John&#8230; way to go! I certainly hope Google&#8217;s lawyers get to read this and decide to adopt your idea. And after those Viacom idiots come to their knees, we&#8217;ll be like, &#8220;see&#8230; John Dvorak was right all along!&#8221;</p>
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