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	<title>Comments on: Salon columnist claims on the Colbert Report that Barack Obama is not really Black</title>
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		<title>By: Obama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What does it say about our society when fake news and fake pundits are more informational than the real thing?&quot;

Well, this show is all about entertainment. If politicians jobs were trying to make jokes 24/7 instead of these shows, then things would be different. Ya know... it&#039;s one of those pop culture things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What does it say about our society when fake news and fake pundits are more informational than the real thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, this show is all about entertainment. If politicians jobs were trying to make jokes 24/7 instead of these shows, then things would be different. Ya know&#8230; it&#8217;s one of those pop culture things.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please cut all the crap out!!! these folks and i mean the white ones know what their ancestors did many centuries ago and still up to this day they still practice the same norms only that they are more concealed. The earlier they compensate for their wrongs past and present, the better, which will create the desired atmosphere for everybody to move on from black this, black that arguments&gt; its time for our just dues!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please cut all the crap out!!! these folks and i mean the white ones know what their ancestors did many centuries ago and still up to this day they still practice the same norms only that they are more concealed. The earlier they compensate for their wrongs past and present, the better, which will create the desired atmosphere for everybody to move on from black this, black that arguments&gt; its time for our just dues!!!</p>
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		<title>By: student</title>
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		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I&#039;m a regular visitor to your site so i finally decided its time to sign your guestbook, so here i sign !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I&#8217;m a regular visitor to your site so i finally decided its time to sign your guestbook, so here i sign !</p>
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		<title>By: Podesta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Podesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I understand where you are coming from, but must disagree.  I know D.D. and we have discussed the issue of black &#039;authenticity&#039; over the years.  Her main point is that the way Americans of African descent are treated is determined largely by segregation and slavery.   Both may be &#039;over&#039; technically, but slavery and segregation are the reasons that people of color are still  perceived as lesser beings.

Racists like Jägermeister want the matter under rug swept precisely so they can claim that the racism is no longer a factor in how people are treated.

Chitown, that aphorism is pretty accurate.   Children of slave women were considered black so that slave masters (often the fathers) could hold them in bondage.  Southern states continued to define persons with as little as one thirty-second African ancestry as black well into the 1960s.  As a result, anyone perceived as having African ancestry is considered black in America.   That sometimes includes people who don&#039;t have any African ancestry or have attenuated African ancestry, such as Sicilians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I understand where you are coming from, but must disagree.  I know D.D. and we have discussed the issue of black &#8216;authenticity&#8217; over the years.  Her main point is that the way Americans of African descent are treated is determined largely by segregation and slavery.   Both may be &#8216;over&#8217; technically, but slavery and segregation are the reasons that people of color are still  perceived as lesser beings.</p>
<p>Racists like Jägermeister want the matter under rug swept precisely so they can claim that the racism is no longer a factor in how people are treated.</p>
<p>Chitown, that aphorism is pretty accurate.   Children of slave women were considered black so that slave masters (often the fathers) could hold them in bondage.  Southern states continued to define persons with as little as one thirty-second African ancestry as black well into the 1960s.  As a result, anyone perceived as having African ancestry is considered black in America.   That sometimes includes people who don&#8217;t have any African ancestry or have attenuated African ancestry, such as Sicilians.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19.  Reading off a teleprompter or parroting partisan talking-points does not require any particular intelligence.  Doing real, scathingly-funny parody the way John Stewart and Steven Colbert do, ya gotta be smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19.  Reading off a teleprompter or parroting partisan talking-points does not require any particular intelligence.  Doing real, scathingly-funny parody the way John Stewart and Steven Colbert do, ya gotta be smart.</p>
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		<title>By: sh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I hold a color chart up to him he appears brown or
maybe off black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I hold a color chart up to him he appears brown or<br />
maybe off black.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18, Whew, sure am glad we got wood siding !!!

Actually, to be serious, that was a profound statement on your part in #5. Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18, Whew, sure am glad we got wood siding !!!</p>
<p>Actually, to be serious, that was a profound statement on your part in #5. Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17. &lt;em&gt;&quot;Would you be referring to the “talking heads”?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Equating broadcast news in the US with &quot;talking heads&quot; would be like equating a house with aluminum siding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17. <em>&#8220;Would you be referring to the “talking heads”?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Equating broadcast news in the US with &#8220;talking heads&#8221; would be like equating a house with aluminum siding.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/10/salon-columnist-claims-that-barack-obama-is-not-really-black/comment-page-1/#comment-469891</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, &lt;i&gt;Real news programs don’t want you to actually think. Thinking people are not easily brainwashed. &lt;/i&gt;

Would you be referring to the “talking heads”? Don&#039;t they get paid to do the thinking? It isn&#039;t that I disagree with your statement, it&#039;s just that us ordinary people don&#039;t get paid to think. 

There, think about it.



#15, sounds like you are trying to dance around that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, <i>Real news programs don’t want you to actually think. Thinking people are not easily brainwashed. </i></p>
<p>Would you be referring to the “talking heads”? Don&#8217;t they get paid to do the thinking? It isn&#8217;t that I disagree with your statement, it&#8217;s just that us ordinary people don&#8217;t get paid to think. </p>
<p>There, think about it.</p>
<p>#15, sounds like you are trying to dance around that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14. Thats impossible, if you saw me dance you would understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14. Thats impossible, if you saw me dance you would understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14. Thats impossible, you have to see me dance to understand why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14. Thats impossible, you have to see me dance to understand why.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

Everyone is an &#039;African&#039;, go check out your DNA.  I think you will be surprised as I was.   Welcome to the human race. </description>
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<p>Everyone is an &#8216;African&#8217;, go check out your DNA.  I think you will be surprised as I was.   Welcome to the human race.</p>
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		<title>By: chitown</title>
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		<dc:creator>chitown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this reminds me of  a quote I read a few weeks ago(sorry, I don&#039;t recall the author&#039;s name)  she wrote that in America, a white woman can give birth to a black baby, but a black woman can&#039;t give birth to a white baby.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this reminds me of  a quote I read a few weeks ago(sorry, I don&#8217;t recall the author&#8217;s name)  she wrote that in America, a white woman can give birth to a black baby, but a black woman can&#8217;t give birth to a white baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Caribbean the West Indian population, who are truly descendants of slaves, prefer the term West Indian over black or African American (in the USVI), But they would argue that you had to be black to be West Indian, even though there is about a 15% white population many who were born and raised there and also wanted to be known as West Indian. Similar to white S Africans. 

Labels are riduculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Caribbean the West Indian population, who are truly descendants of slaves, prefer the term West Indian over black or African American (in the USVI), But they would argue that you had to be black to be West Indian, even though there is about a 15% white population many who were born and raised there and also wanted to be known as West Indian. Similar to white S Africans. </p>
<p>Labels are riduculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 - &lt;i&gt;Real news programs don’t want you to actually think. Thinking people are not easily brainwashed.&lt;/i&gt;

Very true.

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As for this lady... she needs to move along... I don&#039;t know what&#039;s wrong with people of her kind, who needs to bring up slavery to justify things. It&#039;s like the Jews who throw the anti-semitic card whenever someone criticize Israel. Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 &#8211; <i>Real news programs don’t want you to actually think. Thinking people are not easily brainwashed.</i></p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p>As for this lady&#8230; she needs to move along&#8230; I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s wrong with people of her kind, who needs to bring up slavery to justify things. It&#8217;s like the Jews who throw the anti-semitic card whenever someone criticize Israel. Get over it.</p>
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