Comments on: American emigrates to China for better working conditions. WTF!? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:54:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-489023 pedro Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:38:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-489023 #32 I don't mean to learn Mandarin, just how to pronounce a name. Very much like I don't speak German but I make sure to say German names the way they are intended to sound. Also, nights can be a very good time for private tutoring, don't you think? "Repeat after me: Mai Jin" #32 I don’t mean to learn Mandarin, just how to pronounce a name. Very much like I don’t speak German but I make sure to say German names the way they are intended to sound.

Also, nights can be a very good time for private tutoring, don’t you think? “Repeat after me: Mai Jin”

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-488465 Smartalix Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:15:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-488465 31, How much time do you have for language lessons at a business convention? I don't have any. 31,

How much time do you have for language lessons at a business convention? I don’t have any.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-488258 pedro Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:17:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-488258 #29 I thought about that possibility, but is not like the Chinese can pronounce western names correctly, should we do the same thing and come up with chinese names? Can you picture a Chinese trying to say Dvorak? The scary part I see about this that you really don't know who you're talking to. Is like a purposeful anonymity, so you cannot trackback anything. "- who told you that? -John Li - and who's John Li? I know no John Li" I would much rather see them spend some time trying to teach me how to say their names than using this "shield". And actually, I did. I learned the name of one of the persons there and when I was saying goodbye, I used the real name and I made sure I said it right. #30 I'm guessing you have visited engrish.com #29 I thought about that possibility, but is not like the Chinese can pronounce western names correctly, should we do the same thing and come up with chinese names? Can you picture a Chinese trying to say Dvorak?

The scary part I see about this that you really don’t know who you’re talking to. Is like a purposeful anonymity, so you cannot trackback anything.

“- who told you that?
-John Li
- and who’s John Li? I know no John Li”

I would much rather see them spend some time trying to teach me how to say their names than using this “shield”. And actually, I did. I learned the name of one of the persons there and when I was saying goodbye, I used the real name and I made sure I said it right.

#30 I’m guessing you have visited engrish.com

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-488163 Angel H. Wong Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:08:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-488163 Expect kick ass games with Funny Chinglish dialogue in the future. "Me harm your anus with my foot evil hearted man." or something :) Expect kick ass games with Funny Chinglish dialogue in the future.

“Me harm your anus with my foot evil hearted man.” or something :)

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-488129 Smartalix Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:28:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-488129 24, "Not to mention that I find the fact that they use westernized names when dealing with foreigners patronizing." Maybe if we could pronounce their names properly and knew which to use they woudn't have to. 24,

“Not to mention that I find the fact that they use westernized names when dealing with foreigners patronizing.”

Maybe if we could pronounce their names properly and knew which to use they woudn’t have to.

]]> By: Pfkad http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487966 Pfkad Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:57:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487966 I'll be emigrating to Southeast Asia within six months. My house is built and my ducks are in a row. The middle class is emerging in much of Asia and the momentum is building. Contrast this with the US where the middle class is stagnant at best. I think Pfeiffer made the right choice. I’ll be emigrating to Southeast Asia within six months. My house is built and my ducks are in a row. The middle class is emerging in much of Asia and the momentum is building. Contrast this with the US where the middle class is stagnant at best. I think Pfeiffer made the right choice.

]]> By: Jägermeister http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487808 Jägermeister Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:43:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487808 #24 - Yes, the treatment of foreigners vs locals is stunning. It's easy to forget that this is the same country still got Lao Gai prisons. The corporate culture in China encourage ass licking way more than in North America. If you want to advance your career, you better got a wide network of contacts, or else you're going to be stuck doing the same job for the rest of your life. Things will change, but knowing how deeply rooted these traditions is... it's going to be slow. #24 – Yes, the treatment of foreigners vs locals is stunning. It’s easy to forget that this is the same country still got Lao Gai prisons. The corporate culture in China encourage ass licking way more than in North America. If you want to advance your career, you better got a wide network of contacts, or else you’re going to be stuck doing the same job for the rest of your life. Things will change, but knowing how deeply rooted these traditions is… it’s going to be slow.

]]> By: BHK http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487568 BHK Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:29:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487568 Smart move on his part. He'll profit by being one of those wililng to go to a foreign country to guide engineers in how to make decent games. It might work. I doubt, though, that many of the locals are treated as well as he is. However, the games industry is not that bad. I've been an engineer, including on a project notorious for it's crunch time, in the games industry for years, and it's never been as bad as some people say. Most of these guys who complain are young, often just out of college, and have little or no prior work experience. They expect to party and have a good time like they did in college, and yet have a great job with great perks and a nice car and a wife and family. Many people only dream of getting the sort of perks, pay and on the job fun that employees at EA, Activision, Sony, Lucas, etc. get. But hey - I think I'm working too many hours? Time to call a lawyer! I've worked in other industries where the hours were longer and required more time away from family than any game project ever has. Smart move on his part. He’ll profit by being one of those wililng to go to a foreign country to guide engineers in how to make decent games. It might work. I doubt, though, that many of the locals are treated as well as he is.

However, the games industry is not that bad. I’ve been an engineer, including on a project notorious for it’s crunch time, in the games industry for years, and it’s never been as bad as some people say.

Most of these guys who complain are young, often just out of college, and have little or no prior work experience. They expect to party and have a good time like they did in college, and yet have a great job with great perks and a nice car and a wife and family. Many people only dream of getting the sort of perks, pay and on the job fun that employees at EA, Activision, Sony, Lucas, etc. get. But hey – I think I’m working too many hours? Time to call a lawyer!

I’ve worked in other industries where the hours were longer and required more time away from family than any game project ever has.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487544 ECA Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:10:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487544 24, It is a proven fact that There is more then 1 way to DEFEAT a country. You dont need war.. You dont need terror. Take there money, take there goods, Sell them BACk at HIGHER prices... China is redeveloping, and has Aquied ALOT of goods from around the world, including WOOD, Metals, from the USA... 24,
It is a proven fact that There is more then 1 way to DEFEAT a country.
You dont need war..
You dont need terror.

Take there money, take there goods, Sell them BACk at HIGHER prices…
China is redeveloping, and has Aquied ALOT of goods from around the world, including WOOD, Metals, from the USA…

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487464 pedro Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:53:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487464 I was in China for a week in a western company and pretty much saw what Jaegermeister saw plus there was a strange interaction between upper management and employees. Also thought I saw how better they treat foreigners over locals, which is not only hypocritical but also one of the core beliefs of communism: "screw our locals, welcome the foreigners from which we can get money & support" or put in another way "controlling locals: beat them up madly. Control foreigners: make them believe we're friends and if it fails, bet them up madly" Not to mention that I find the fact that they use westernized names when dealing with foreigners patronizing. Everything as if trying to be nice and inviting to westeners, something I find mighty suspicious. The folks are pretty nice people. I was in China for a week in a western company and pretty much saw what Jaegermeister saw plus there was a strange interaction between upper management and employees.

Also thought I saw how better they treat foreigners over locals, which is not only hypocritical but also one of the core beliefs of communism: “screw our locals, welcome the foreigners from which we can get money & support” or put in another way “controlling locals: beat them up madly. Control foreigners: make them believe we’re friends and if it fails, bet them up madly”

Not to mention that I find the fact that they use westernized names when dealing with foreigners patronizing.

Everything as if trying to be nice and inviting to westeners, something I find mighty suspicious.

The folks are pretty nice people.

]]> By: Mark Derail http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487368 Mark Derail Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:29:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487368 #14, what, you didn't want to name Wal-Mart? That guy Pfeiffer just had to come to Quebec instead of China. All laws are very similar protecting <i>employees</i>. UBISOFT is expanding here in Montreal, in our beautiful Old Port, over 200 permanent new jobs will be created. Great work conditions, but don't expect one of those jobs to pay more than 50K per year. Pour ceux interessés, le bilinguisme est un atout. #14, what, you didn’t want to name Wal-Mart?

That guy Pfeiffer just had to come to Quebec instead of China. All laws are very similar protecting employees.

UBISOFT is expanding here in Montreal, in our beautiful Old Port, over 200 permanent new jobs will be created. Great work conditions, but don’t expect one of those jobs to pay more than 50K per year.

Pour ceux interessés, le bilinguisme est un atout.

]]> By: mxpwr03 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487290 mxpwr03 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:15:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487290 The regulatory hurdles in the U.S. are unacceptable I would never argue against that. Full fledged corruption as a means to secure the everyday business requirements, not so much in the U.S. In the U.S. if I were to build a house in a metropolitan area I don't need to bribe a Mafia boss, could the same be said of real-estate in Moscow? The regulatory hurdles in the U.S. are unacceptable I would never argue against that. Full fledged corruption as a means to secure the everyday business requirements, not so much in the U.S. In the U.S. if I were to build a house in a metropolitan area I don’t need to bribe a Mafia boss, could the same be said of real-estate in Moscow?

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487276 ECA Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:00:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487276 19, and you dont think the US is as/becoming as corrupt as these other nations?? the only difference I see is that we Tax, licence, and regulate it to death in every instance. Try building a house with out inspectors, city ordinances, and council approval, INSIDe a city... Try building a power plant without federal approval and a $100,000,000 dollar study on how it will work and improve... 19,
and you dont think the US is as/becoming as corrupt as these other nations?? the only difference I see is that we Tax, licence, and regulate it to death in every instance.
Try building a house with out inspectors, city ordinances, and council approval, INSIDe a city…
Try building a power plant without federal approval and a $100,000,000 dollar study on how it will work and improve…

]]> By: Jägermeister http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487275 Jägermeister Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:00:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487275 I've visited China several times. I love the country, its people, the food and the culture, but I truly hate its leadership and <a href="http://www.planetizen.com/node/22511" rel="nofollow">the pollution</a>. My wife and I talked about moving there a couple of years ago since the opportunities are great, but opted out since health is more important than money. I’ve visited China several times. I love the country, its people, the food and the culture, but I truly hate its leadership and the pollution. My wife and I talked about moving there a couple of years ago since the opportunities are great, but opted out since health is more important than money.

]]> By: mxpwr03 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/02/20/american-emigrates-to-china-for-better-working-conditions-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-487260 mxpwr03 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:44:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=9905#comment-487260 #14 - Ok, but look at the unemployment rate in those countries, especially among the youth, and you start to draw another picture. This notion of having those benefits without suffering another form of cost is unrealistic. Pretty soon the true vision of the four freedoms (labour, capital, services, and goods) will be realized and those jobs that offer those benefits will have to start to compete with central/eastern Europe and the system may have to change. The "Polish plumbers" are coming Germany...brace yourself. #15 - How do you define doing "just fine." Those countries you have listed have very high levels of unemployment, or underemployment, Iran's inflation is rampant, their level of investment is not sustainable in the long-run. Russia & China are ripe with corruption and stifle the ability to secure and utilize property rights without paying off x amount of people. Also the notion of China's unfettered economic boom is starting to unravel slightly, at least in the major zones of F.D.I., as now the competitive wage has been bid up to a level where other 3rd world nation's comparative advantage, derived from their natural factor endowment of unskilled labour, is becoming more profitable. India is a better example but the Gini Coefficient for their country is nothing to bolster the claim of "just fine." #14 – Ok, but look at the unemployment rate in those countries, especially among the youth, and you start to draw another picture. This notion of having those benefits without suffering another form of cost is unrealistic. Pretty soon the true vision of the four freedoms (labour, capital, services, and goods) will be realized and those jobs that offer those benefits will have to start to compete with central/eastern Europe and the system may have to change. The “Polish plumbers” are coming Germany…brace yourself.

#15 – How do you define doing “just fine.” Those countries you have listed have very high levels of unemployment, or underemployment, Iran’s inflation is rampant, their level of investment is not sustainable in the long-run. Russia & China are ripe with corruption and stifle the ability to secure and utilize property rights without paying off x amount of people. Also the notion of China’s unfettered economic boom is starting to unravel slightly, at least in the major zones of F.D.I., as now the competitive wage has been bid up to a level where other 3rd world nation’s comparative advantage, derived from their natural factor endowment of unskilled labour, is becoming more profitable. India is a better example but the Gini Coefficient for their country is nothing to bolster the claim of “just fine.”

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