Comments on: Want To Warm Up Your Car Before Leaving? OK, But Pay the $168 Fine!! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bruce IV http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-517154 Bruce IV Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:33:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-517154 Agree Andy (26), Heated seats are great - and if your car doesn't come with them, you can pick up heated seat covers for $30 or so at Canadian Tire (or whatever the equivalent auto supply/hardware/ect. store is down south). They warm up nearly instantly, and heat your whole body, not just the half dozen square inches of your legs that are in front of the heating vent - much more efficient, and more comfortable. Agree Andy (26), Heated seats are great – and if your car doesn’t come with them, you can pick up heated seat covers for $30 or so at Canadian Tire (or whatever the equivalent auto supply/hardware/ect. store is down
south). They warm up nearly instantly, and heat your whole body, not just the half dozen square inches of your legs that are in front of the heating vent – much more efficient, and more comfortable.

]]> By: Lauren the Ghoti http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-516578 Lauren the Ghoti Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:15:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-516578 A side point - I 've never lived in Joja, but in any of the 13 states I have lived in, violations of the motor vehicle code are not crimes, and police have no jurisdiction to cite for them on private property. The traffic laws specify that a ticketable violation occurs if and only if the act at issue takes place on a public road. But this was done in an apartment complex's parking lot... Anybody know if this is kosher under Joja law? A side point – I ‘ve never lived in Joja, but in any of the 13 states I have lived in, violations of the motor vehicle code are not crimes, and police have no jurisdiction to cite for them on private property. The traffic laws specify that a ticketable violation occurs if and only if the act at issue takes place on a public road.

But this was done in an apartment complex’s parking lot… Anybody know if this is kosher under Joja law?

]]> By: Smith http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-516337 Smith Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:04:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-516337 Man, some of posters crack me up. "Ticketing people for leaving their car running is WRONG. Oh, wait . . . it's a great idea if we do it to save the environment." Cut back on the use of fossil fuels -- burn a tree hugger! Man, some of posters crack me up. “Ticketing people for leaving their car running is WRONG. Oh, wait . . . it’s a great idea if we do it to save the environment.”

Cut back on the use of fossil fuels — burn a tree hugger!

]]> By: TJGeezer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-516190 TJGeezer Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:17:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-516190 20 - After all the outrageous cop behavior reported recently from Georgia, I'd say "do things a little different" is an understatement. Remember the British visitor who got knocked down and arrested for assaulting an officer after he asked an out-of-uniform, aggressive young cop on what authority he was handing out orders? A friend from Australia canceled a trip through the U.S. South after that one. Didn't want to fly into Atlanta. Tickets for idling a car unattended? Okay, but not for tempting car thieves. Remote entry and remote starting pretty much cancel that rationale for collecting revenue. 20 – After all the outrageous cop behavior reported recently from Georgia, I’d say “do things a little different” is an understatement. Remember the British visitor who got knocked down and arrested for assaulting an officer after he asked an out-of-uniform, aggressive young cop on what authority he was handing out orders? A friend from Australia canceled a trip through the U.S. South after that one. Didn’t want to fly into Atlanta.

Tickets for idling a car unattended? Okay, but not for tempting car thieves. Remote entry and remote starting pretty much cancel that rationale for collecting revenue.

]]> By: Andy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-516091 Andy Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:22:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-516091 Its about time people got fined for this! Warm ups are for "comfort only" the car warms up faster under load. You should get in start and drive off. People are far to pampered if they must get into a warm car. Next time buy the heated seats. Its about time people got fined for this! Warm ups are for “comfort only” the car warms up faster under load. You should get in start and drive off. People are far to pampered if they must get into a warm car. Next time buy the heated seats.

]]> By: natefrog http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-515984 natefrog Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:26:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515984 These laws are pretty common. Given the age of many of them, they were probably designed not to prevent theft, but to prevent cars from slipping out of gear and driving down the street into other cars/houses/people/etc. Which, incidentally, is more common then you would think, especially if people are only keeping the car on while they run into the store while the dog or kids are outside. These laws are pretty common. Given the age of many of them, they were probably designed not to prevent theft, but to prevent cars from slipping out of gear and driving down the street into other cars/houses/people/etc. Which, incidentally, is more common then you would think, especially if people are only keeping the car on while they run into the store while the dog or kids are outside.

]]> By: Clayfoot http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-515964 Clayfoot Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:16:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515964 About time these scofflaws paid the price for their crimes! Jaywalkers and loiterers, you're next! /me shakes fist About time these scofflaws paid the price for their crimes! Jaywalkers and loiterers, you’re next!
/me shakes fist

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-515960 Mr. Fusion Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:11:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515960 #8, Jim I agree, the insurance companies have to assess risk. That is something totally different though from making it a crime. I can also understand that this is Georgia and they do things a little different down there. #8, Jim I agree, the insurance companies have to assess risk. That is something totally different though from making it a crime. I can also understand that this is Georgia and they do things a little different down there.

]]> By: Chris Evans http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-515939 Chris Evans Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:50:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515939 #14 - "It’s just a bad idea to leave your car running with the keys in it and it’s inviting a crime to take place." So, in your world, something being a "bad idea" is enough to justify making it a crime in and of itself? Can I look through your house and ticket you for everything I think is a bad idea, then? "Kid's toy on floor: $160. Bleach bottle next to ammonia bottle in unlocked cabinet: $600. Box full of ex-girlfriends' letters and pictures in attic: $1450 and minimum three months in jail." Or how about this: Mind your own damn business and keep your nose out of my life. If I want to leave my car running on my property, it's _my_ car on _my_ property. #14 – “It’s just a bad idea to leave your car running with the keys in it and it’s inviting a crime to take place.”

So, in your world, something being a “bad idea” is enough to justify making it a crime in and of itself?

Can I look through your house and ticket you for everything I think is a bad idea, then?

“Kid’s toy on floor: $160. Bleach bottle next to ammonia bottle in unlocked cabinet: $600. Box full of ex-girlfriends’ letters and pictures in attic: $1450 and minimum three months in jail.”

Or how about this: Mind your own damn business and keep your nose out of my life. If I want to leave my car running on my property, it’s _my_ car on _my_ property.

]]> By: Ballenger http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-2/#comment-515898 Ballenger Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:36:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515898 There are lots of solid points made here on both sides of this case. So many important and reasonable points in fact, that what actually happened is taken from the level of a conflict between a mother trying to warm up her car and a policeman trying to do his job, to a debate at a level where a solution, gets lost in a tornado of points of view. And that's why we have so many judges, juries, lawyers and of course, sadly, Nancy Grace. There are lots of solid points made here on both sides of this case. So many important and reasonable points in fact, that what actually happened is taken from the level of a conflict between a mother trying to warm up her car and a policeman trying to do his job, to a debate at a level where a solution, gets lost in a tornado of points of view. And that’s why we have so many judges, juries, lawyers and of course, sadly, Nancy Grace.

]]> By: RonD http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-515890 RonD Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:34:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515890 Many times when I am eating at say McDonald's, police officers will be dining also. Each time they leave their police car running and unattended while they eat. Will they get the $168 ticket. I think not. Many times when I am eating at say McDonald’s, police officers will be dining also. Each time they leave their police car running and unattended while they eat. Will they get the $168 ticket. I think not.

]]> By: James Hill http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-515874 James Hill Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:27:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515874 Mr. Fusion almost got one right. That's better than his norm, of fucking the whole argument up. Mr. Fusion almost got one right. That’s better than his norm, of fucking the whole argument up.

]]> By: circuitsmith http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-515832 circuitsmith Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:50:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515832 Idling a car to warm it up wastes gas, creates more pollution, contaminates the oil and rots the exhaust system. Besides, people are so spoiled they can't bear to sit in a cold car for a few minutes? It's not like there's an arctic wind blowing in there. Idling a car to warm it up wastes gas, creates more pollution, contaminates the oil and rots the exhaust system. Besides, people are so spoiled they can’t bear to sit in a cold car for a few minutes? It’s not like there’s an arctic wind blowing in there.

]]> By: Jim Scarborough http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-515794 Jim Scarborough Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:33:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515794 Who cares about curbing the car theft? This law should be rigorously enforced as a means of saving the planet. My mother-in-law tells of a neighbor in Denver who idles the car for 45 minutes to avoid scraping the windshield. Imagine if we paid anything close to the impact cost for gasoline... then she would think twice about idling the car! Who cares about curbing the car theft? This law should be rigorously enforced as a means of saving the planet. My mother-in-law tells of a neighbor in Denver who idles the car for 45 minutes to avoid scraping the windshield. Imagine if we paid anything close to the impact cost for gasoline… then she would think twice about idling the car!

]]> By: Ben Franske http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/03/07/want-to-warm-up-your-car-before-leaving-ok-but-pay-the-168-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-515755 Ben Franske Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:18:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10200#comment-515755 These laws are nothing new and they exist mostly to curb car theft. Even in many colder states such as Minnesota laws like this are on the books. It's just a bad idea to leave your car running with the keys in it and it's inviting a crime to take place. As has been pointed out above it's unfair to ask police to waste time investigating such crimes which could have been easily prevented. That said, in many cases it is not illegal to run a car with no key in the ignition (such as the case of a remote starter). This is usually considered alright because the ignition interlock will prevent the car from going into gear until a key is inserted. These laws are nothing new and they exist mostly to curb car theft. Even in many colder states such as Minnesota laws like this are on the books. It’s just a bad idea to leave your car running with the keys in it and it’s inviting a crime to take place. As has been pointed out above it’s unfair to ask police to waste time investigating such crimes which could have been easily prevented. That said, in many cases it is not illegal to run a car with no key in the ignition (such as the case of a remote starter). This is usually considered alright because the ignition interlock will prevent the car from going into gear until a key is inserted.

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