I guess the old hygiene argument about circumcision was correct after all. Men can be so sensitive about their privates (myself included). I am surprised that more men aren’t adopting something that can increase their safety. This isn’t the first time officials pushed the case for across-the-board circumcision for men living in high-risk areas. I wonder what laws would have been mandated by now if it had turned out expanding female circumcision curtailed AIDs?
In a report issued on 28 March, the World Health Organization and UNAIDS issued a series of recommendations to increase rates of circumcision in countries where the HIV problem is most serious.
“We reviewed all the evidence, and the evidence is compelling,” says Kim Dickson, coordinator of the joint WHO/UNAIDS working group that produced the report.
Studies in South Africa, Uganda and Kenya have recently shown that circumcised men are on average 60 per cent less likely than uncircumcised men to pick up the virus (New Scientist, 25 November 2006, p 8).
Would the religious right consider circumcision to reduce potential spread of venereal disease a behavior that promotes promiscuity?
“Kim Dickson, coordinator of the joint WHO/UNAIDS working group that produced the report.”
What a dumb bitch, if you tell a man that he’s going to have that high margin of protection against AIDS then they will not wear a condom.
Otherwise the cases of HIV in the USA would be way lower than on the rest of the world.
Circumcision is mutilation, specially when the reason for it is an idiotic “I was in the ARMY and I want my kid to fit in the group” opinion that came from the father or “I don’t want my boy to be rejected by women!” when it comes from the mother.
#16 reminds us that “Bacteria thrive in places that are: warm, moist and dark.”
Cancun at night is an even better place for a bacterium or virus to party till the sun comes up, although I don’t think you’ll see that in any of the tourist brochures
I SAY, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
http://thecountsworld.blogspot.com/
#14 – Maybe I am just being ignorant, but I am not sure that bleeding and tearing of foreskin during sex is all that common UNLESS the hygeine is poor in the first place. It seems that this whole arguement could be ended if we would just continue to educate people on hygeine and safe sex practices!
Circumcision is a very personal choice and sensitive on many cultural as well as personal levels, that I can’t imagine someone dictating this choice for my children…
That’s it! I had it.
I wrote a lengthy piece only for it to get lost after the first try didn’t go through with the “whoa, cowboy crap”.
I’m leaving John. Fix that crap.
#22: Viruses thrive in dry cool places
#18 Angel has the wong kind of dick!
#24
It happens when there’s not enough lube
#26 They feel so warm in my hand and foreskin feels even better
Any woman that demands his BF to get a circumcision has to be forced to get some canteloupe sized breast inserted in their bodies.
Any man that is stupid enough to cut his d*ck for a woman must be forced to have the world “dumbass” tattooed on their forehead.
Wong dick!!!!!!!!
#28
Eat foreskin and die.
Angel, is it possible that you missed Milo’s joke? I’m guessing that every male in your family would have the *Wong* kind of dick
Anyway, this thread seems to have *petered* out.
If a person doesn’t want to catch HIV/AIDS, they should not screw around indiscriminately. The more random, mindless sex, the better the chances of disease. That simple.
As for circumcision, nobody removes ANY of my body parts – period! And, that most especially includes my genitalia.
Don’t want the clap? Stick with monogamy or (brrr!) chastity.
Easier said than done, I admit, but that’s the only 100% effective method, folks; sorry.
Considering that most nations, states and medical organizations assert that circumcision is a negative, rather than a positive, It is interesting to see that a study of a backward culture is being used to promote this primative practice in advanced cultures.
One could make a stronger case that the removal of breasts from female babes would be of greater benefit, as breast cancer is the number one cause of female deaths.
Apparently Kenneth has never had a cavity!
How do you circumcise a whale?
Send down 4 skin divers!
Ah, yes, the teeth … they had to go. No choice, there. But, keep your knives off my Gizmo! Only one I’ve got, and I like it as is. Pure. Unsullied. Intact. In need of washing …
Mr. Potter has a view point that is, ah, … interesting. About so sensible, IMO, as “female circumcision” or whacking away at my poor, sad, lonely Gizmo.
*sigh* What a solitary life he’s led of late, he who once was named Columbus, for exploring new … venues.
#31 – Kenneth Johnson
How simple, how true, how widely ignored and passed over.
I once heard it expressed in a way that has stuck with me: People who are mentally, emotionally and physically healthy do not have multiple sex partners nor do they have sex with others who do.
Like Named said at the top, it’s a disease for stupid people.
#32 – Tom Potter
“…It is interesting to see that a study of a backward culture is being used to promote this primative practice in advanced cultures.”
Ah – well, you see, militant multiculti political correctness denies that the behavior of the sub-Saharan African pop is any different from, say Sweden, or Japan. We must play-act as though different ethnic pops are equally at-risk instead of focusing on the problem at the source.
In that light, a significant segment of the gay community has finally, vocally denounced PC denial of the fact that it is primarily, in all non-African cultures, a) transmitted sexually, as opposed to via the needle-sharing and maternal-blood transmission vectors, and b) concentrated in the white male homosexual pop.
There is now a much-needed honesty among gays who are rejecting the previous willingness to let AIDS deniers and buck-passers impede progress in halting further spread of the disease. The operative phrase is “AIDS / HIV is a gay disease. Own it. End it,”
Yet the evil, delusional PCers, starting to lose on the domestic front, now suggest, as you astutely noted, that males from all pops should submit to this, for most, totally unnecessary disfigurement. The alternative, which they will go to any length of pathological denial and deception to avoid having to face, is to acknowledge racial differences in behavior. Rape, polygamy, incest, covert homosexual anal intercourse – all of these behaviors are significantly more prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa than elsewhere. But try saying it in the media! In microseconds, the PC screeching will commence:
“No, NO! Racism!!! It isn’t possible!!! It can’t be!!! Everyone everywhere is absolutely identical!!!”
#35,
People who are mentally, emotionally and physically healthy do not have multiple sex partners nor do they have sex with others who do.
No, that sounds more like fat, ugly people that have a difficult time finding any partner. Normal people who enjoy sex and do not have a difficult time finding another partner will have several partners during their lifetimes. I worry about the mental stability of those who swear celibacy. Monogamy after marriage though is commendable.
The operative phrase is “AIDS / HIV is a gay disease. Own it. End it,”
Geeze you are a sick ignorant puppy. AIDs will infect and affect anyone who comes in contact with the virus.
Rape, polygamy, incest, covert homosexual anal intercourse – all of these behaviors are significantly more prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa than elsewhere. But try saying it in the media! In microseconds, the PC screeching will commence:
“No, NO! Racism!!! It isn’t possible!!! It can’t be!!! Everyone everywhere is absolutely identical!!!”
There you go with your racist blather again. This article isn’t about race, it concerns the transmission of a disease. AIDs and HIV, and other STDs, are not culture or race selective, they will infect all cultures, all races, and all sexes (male, female, and other). Every person who contracts AIDs is one more person who can no longer donate blood or organs, and is a potential innocent transmitter. This won’t stop all STD transmission, the article makes that plain, but it might have a small impact. And that small impact may be in Sweden or Japan as well.
I can understand your feeling of inadequacy pressuring your opinion. Yes, even losing a few millimeters would make quite a few men shudder. That is still not a good reason
to put your head so far up your ass asto use this article as yet another opportunity to spew your hatred.phuk the slow down cowboy when this is the first post today.
Does anybody have scientific facts?
THE MEDICAL JOURNAL OF AUSTRALIA, Volume 1, Pages 1102-1103
I think it is a extreme measure for a desperate situation. I don´t see a reason for a person who has accesses to condoms and that takes the everyday shower to cut a part of his own body.
#2
Oh really? since when was cutting off parts of female genitals that don’t grow back any different from cutting off parts of male genitals that don’t grow back? (both from unconsenting minors) The only difference is how much is cut, and with female circumcision that varies much more than with male circumcision.
I still remember getting grief in grade school for not being cicumcised.What a great idea.Lets cut off the end of everyones penis then we would all be the same.What about the Hippocratic oath?
#36 – Mr. Fusedbrain
“I worry about the mental stability of those who swear celibacy. Monogamy after marriage though is commendable.”
Even though I omitted the word ‘simultaneous’ after the word ‘multiple’, few people would be so dense as to totally miss the central point without it being spelled out as precisely as you would have it. Who the fuck mentioned celibacy? Are you really that dim, or is it an act?
Here it is in a form that with any luck, you might be capable of grasping: Healthy people are not promiscuous and they don’t have sex with promiscuous people. Does that register? Without promiscuity, as Kenneth J pointed out, there would be no STDs. Capisce?
“Geeze you are a sick ignorant puppy. AIDs will infect and affect anyone who comes in contact with the virus.”
Thank you so much for your oversimplified and inaccurate thoughts on the matter. Unfortunately for you, the facts now re-emerging confirm what medical and social science has said all along, whilst being drowned out for some years by the screechers like yourself, foisting off off your PC litany of denial on the general public.
For someone who shows regularly, in these very comment threads, that he’s capable of sound reasoning and reaching accurate conclusions on most subjects, you’re all that much more amazing in how utterly mindless, knee-jerk and oblivious to fact you instantly become when the topic approaches matters on which your PC brainwashing has already programmed you with the neo-Marxist, multiculti party line. Your personality is replaced with a robot who parrots the same tired, predictable, laughable, cheesy lies that are supposed to demonstrate what a superior, “tolerant” “open-minded” individual you are.
Sad to break it to you, Fusie, but AIDS / HIV was and is, first and foremost, an STD. The primary transmission vectors are still compulsively promiscuous upper middle class homosexual men in North America and Europe, and blacks in sub-Saharan Africa. Prostitutes, especially in Third World countries, are a rapidly growing portion of the vector constellation.
What all of those groups, which make up the vast majority of HIV-positive persons, have in common is sexual promiscuity. An abnormally high number of sex partners.
The LA Gay & Lesbian center initiated an AIDS awareness campaign about six months ago: “AIDS is a gay disease. Own it. End it.”
PC deniers of reality, like yourself, have managed to sabotage the campaign. Denial, particularly when it comes to self-destructive, compulsive behaviors, is a very powerful thing.
This is really lame: “AIDs and HIV, and other STDs, are not culture or race selective, they will infect all cultures, all races, and all sexes (male, female, and other).”
That’s been the lie for a long time – but the truth remains that only abnormally promiscuous people are at any significant risk. “Not culture selective”. Where did you pick up that sly, deliberately obfuscatory evasion / diversion?
A large portion of the Western male homosexual culture practices compulsive, usually drug-fueled, sexual encounters. Multiple anonymous partners in the course of a single day. This is not healthy behavior. It is virtually nonexistent in both the general heterosexual and female homosexual pops. That, my boy, is culture-specific.
Here, Mr. Denial, this is from the CDC:
Feel like an idiot yet? You should.
And as I said, in sub-Saharan Africa, the focus of the UNAIDS circumcision campaign, rape, polygamy, and incest are far higher than in the remainder of the world. Covert gay sex and prostitution are also highly prevalent.
Get some facts:
The 2006 UNAIDS report
A highly relevant post by Charles Bouley on HuffPo
And finally:
“I can understand your feeling of inadequacy pressuring your opinion. Yes, even losing a few millimeters would make quite a few men shudder.”
Bad news, boyo; Like Larry T there, I underwent that particular procedure at an age where I didn’t do much shuddering.
“…yet another opportunity to spew your hatred.”
WTF are you talking about? Hatred? Of who? Where?
You can’t point out one single instance of either racism or hatred – if you could, you would’ve done so. No, that’s just more desperate name-calling. And the saddest part is, you’re not even any good at it.