O’Reilly’s point is that they were in the country illegally – plain and simple – and because many U.S. cities have sanctuary laws (their local law enforcement is not permitted by law to report illegals to ICE), people without a LEGAL right to be here are purposely overlooked.
Geraldo is playing the sympathy card “we lured them here”. Look – I would try and come across the border too if I could provide a better life for my family, but when you do that you take the risk of being caught, because it is ILLEGAL.
If you want to hear how our neighbor to the south handles immigration – watch this. Yea, you might not like the messenger, but give it the 1 minute, 26 seconds and listen carefully before spamming me here.
#17 I hate to burst your bubble, Mark, but that isn’t nearly the whole story down there, and just prattling those horrific numbers off is a slander to Mexicans, who I have lived and worked with and are generally good people. The fact is that everyone in that town, and throughout Mexico, knows who the killers are; they are the boys of the factory owners in that border town, drunk on their power, who have bought the police and bought the government. They rape and slaughter whoever they choose, and wave their green dollars at the victims. The government of Mexico is horrendously corrupt, and law enforcement very difficult, as the evil ones have installed themselves in power with their big fat stacks. If anything, this story should show why the downtrodden people of that nation would want to leave, and a warning against letting the same thing happen in our nation. Indeed, this immigrant problem is largely due to this sort of money grubbing becoming installed here; the powers that be profit their friends by giving them a cheap, exploitable work force, here in the shadows of our nation. No papers, so its open season on screwing them out of their paycheck; don’t even think of benefits. And don’t forget the big fat cat bonus; our wages get to stagnate too! No, the problem is not Mexicans, or Vietnamese boat people, or Cuban refugees. It’s a bunch of sociopathic bastards with too much money and power, trying to take it all (as greedy, heartless people are bound to do). We should always be on guard for them, with their sweet lies, but are we?
Choosing between those two isn’t fun, but at least Geraldo understands -why- they are here, BillO only sees them as scuttling roaches.
Li- your not bursting my bubble. I know how corrupt the Mexican Govt. is. All the more reason for a DMZ. It should be obvious by now we cant even solve our own problems, would you like us to take on another World Police operation in Mexico. Or keep the borders wide open for drug runners and serial killers. I’m sorry but as they have done in the past, Mexico should stand up to their own government. The same goes for us.
This is because the driver was drunk. That he was here illegally is a secondary crime and did not cause the accident. It would be the same as if the drunk driver had no American driver’s license. Definitely a problem, but not the cause of the crash.
The illegal immigrant problem is an issue that needs cleaning up. Drunk driving is too and very well a more serious problem.
And, by-the-bye, MADD’s propaganda conveniently obscures the statistical and commonsense fact that the great majority of drunk drivers who are involved in fatal crashes (a) have previously been convicted of some form and degree of DUI or DWI, AND (b) are invariably far beyond the OLD .10 sobriety limit; lowering it to .08 and beyond does virtually nothing for traffic safety, but feeds a lot of Americans into the maw of the legal system, bleeds them and fucks up their lives.
If they want to do something actually useful, they should push for radical more severe penalties for multiple repeat offenders like this scumbag.
Bad driving, both with and without alcohol, is the cause of MOST traffic deaths, since fully half the people killed on American roads are NOT DRUNK.
This post has nothing to do with drunk driving or illegal immigrants. It’s just so funny to see these elderly people behave like idiots. God! O’Reilly is screaming his guts out over stupid thing like this. These guys have no self respect whatsoever… Funny, yet sad….
Oh my goodness, Todd, I just agreed with Rush. What’s going on here?
Imagine driving on 6th St. in Austin or Greenville Ave. in Dallas on a Friday night. And insurance (req’d by law in TX)? Hahahahahaha.
“…Not only shouldn’t the man arrested for the car crash that killed director Bob Clark have been behind the wheel, authorities say, he shouldn’t have been in the country.
Hector Velazquez-Nava, 24, pleaded innocent Friday to two counts of gross-vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, Los Angeles court and prosecution officials said.
The man was arrested Wednesday following a brutal two-car collision that left Clark and his 22-year-son dead.
Police said they believed Velazquez-Nava was driving drunk—Friday’s Los Angeles Times reported the man tested at three times above the legal blood-alcohol limit.
Though listed by police as a resident of Los Angeles, Velazquez-Nava is officially a Mexican national illegally in the United States, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Lori Haley confirmed Friday…”
Bad driving, both with and without alcohol, is the cause of MOST traffic deaths, since fully half the people killed on American roads are NOT DRUNK.
Doesn’t say much for sobriety, now does it?
Gee, since the vast majority of drivers DO NOT have any alcohol in them, and fully half of the deaths do, I would think that is a pretty damning evidence that alcohol and driving don’t mix. Only your statistics are a little flawed.
NOTE, I don’t know and can’t be bothered to search for an estimate of how many drivers are drunk (.08 +) during the course of a day. I would guess that the number would average far less then 1% of trips has a drunk driver behind the wheel.
Regardless of how well you think you can hold your booze, tests show a marked decrease in reaction and response with the more alcohol consumed. Some discrete point has to be established that isn’t arbitrary or subjective. It appears that the only ones that think .08 is too low are those who enjoy drinking and driving with no regard for other’s lives. In other words, those who can’t control their drinking.
If you have your life ruined because you CHOSE to drink and drive, too bad. I will spare you as much sympathy as I can piss with an enlarged prostate. Anyone who drinks and drives deserves time behind bars. The drunker the more time.
1. Hmm, How about the LAWS that make it iLLegal, to sell alcohol to a drunk.
2. what happened to Laws covering Parties, that the person thowing it is responsible??
3. It isnt nationality… Between the cubans, the Haitians, and ALL the rest that ARE iLLegal in this country.
4. DID he have a Licence, or was he driveing someone ELSES car, Why not make HIM responsible for his friend…NO Licence, and driveing DRUNK…
5. Sence I dont see a link to the News article…Where was she HIT…In the street?? Who is responsible FOR THAT??
Ike had a similar issue with Mexican immgration during his administration. Do you know what he did to curb it back in the 50′s?
He made it expensive for companies to hire illegal immigrants.
Yep that was how he did it and it WORKED. He FINED the people that hired illegal immigrants. He set up a strong guy who would not take crap to oversee and FINE the people that HIRE the illegals. Border crossing guards from that era STILL remember that.
If you don’t offer candy, the kids don’t come around.
Ike stopped it. Why can’t it be stopped now? It can be. But we don’t as we have leaders that are not on the payroll of those companies making money from indentured servants.
Stop the jobs and you stop the illegals. Its that simple. FINE the companies that hire them. And give them three strikes. After being fined three times CLOSE their business.
Illegal immigration has been a soar point with me for a very long time. I am the one of many Latinos (living in California) who believe in the building of the wall, deporting ALL illegal aliens (Mexican, Chinese, Korean, what ever!) . Do away with the “Anchor-Baby” law too while we’re at it. FYI Geraldo, Minutemen don’t carry arms (your such a penis wrinkle). It has come to my realization that drunk driving is a very real issue when speaking of illegal immigration. Just this week a director and his 22 yr. old son were killed in a head on collision (Pacific Palisades). The Illegal that hit him had a blood level of 3 times the legal limit. During his arraignment he pled not guilty because he feels it was just an accident? In San Diego another illegal was drunk, driving a work truck and killed a teenage girl. He faulted the trucking company who hired him for not doing a back round check! None of these illegals want to take responsibility for their actions. Irresponsible and they drive down the wages for Americans, no thank you send them back!I hope Geraldo, you get to Washington DC the week of April 22nd. you may have a rude awakening when you realize how many of your Latino-American brethren believe you WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Maybe you should tune in to John and Ken on KFI/640 between the hours of 3-7 to get up to speed on what you DON’T know.
With President Bush trying to push amnesty, it makes me wonder what kind of kick backs he gets from Mexico. And did you know Mexico has a fence at their southern border and it is patrolled (aggressively with armed patrolmen) sending their illegals packing. I’d like O’Rielly and Geraldo to debate the fiasco down in El Paso pertaining to the two border patrol agents, Ramos and Compione. And that is just one of many stories pertaining to the same issue. LEGAL immigration has it’s place, ILLEGAL immigration does not. We as Americans need to stand and step up; let your representatives know how you feel about illegal immigration before it’s to late. We need to save our country, our way of life and our childrens future.
This is the solution plain and simple.
Kind of fitting isn’t it, coming from the man who warned about what is now happening with the military/corporations.
And if the GOV hadnt Cut all the Facilities, like the FDA, DEA, FBI, and all the rest to PAY for a WAR….
Maybe we MIGHT have some enforcement…
the EPA dont even have enough power to make a corp pay for Poluting..
I agree with O’Reilly, If this illegal drunk driver, was deported with his first DUI, this tragedy would not have happened. Illegal is illegal! US laws should be enforced! Unfortunately this is not happening and more and more crimes are being committed by illegals.
O’Reilly’s point is that they were in the country illegally – plain and simple – and because many U.S. cities have sanctuary laws (their local law enforcement is not permitted by law to report illegals to ICE), people without a LEGAL right to be here are purposely overlooked.
Geraldo is playing the sympathy card “we lured them here”. Look – I would try and come across the border too if I could provide a better life for my family, but when you do that you take the risk of being caught, because it is ILLEGAL.
If you want to hear how our neighbor to the south handles immigration – watch this. Yea, you might not like the messenger, but give it the 1 minute, 26 seconds and listen carefully before spamming me here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9Z7g8xOtf4
I’m glad to see people passionate about what they believe. Fox News is my morning coffee, NPR, my Ambian….
#17 I hate to burst your bubble, Mark, but that isn’t nearly the whole story down there, and just prattling those horrific numbers off is a slander to Mexicans, who I have lived and worked with and are generally good people. The fact is that everyone in that town, and throughout Mexico, knows who the killers are; they are the boys of the factory owners in that border town, drunk on their power, who have bought the police and bought the government. They rape and slaughter whoever they choose, and wave their green dollars at the victims. The government of Mexico is horrendously corrupt, and law enforcement very difficult, as the evil ones have installed themselves in power with their big fat stacks. If anything, this story should show why the downtrodden people of that nation would want to leave, and a warning against letting the same thing happen in our nation. Indeed, this immigrant problem is largely due to this sort of money grubbing becoming installed here; the powers that be profit their friends by giving them a cheap, exploitable work force, here in the shadows of our nation. No papers, so its open season on screwing them out of their paycheck; don’t even think of benefits. And don’t forget the big fat cat bonus; our wages get to stagnate too! No, the problem is not Mexicans, or Vietnamese boat people, or Cuban refugees. It’s a bunch of sociopathic bastards with too much money and power, trying to take it all (as greedy, heartless people are bound to do). We should always be on guard for them, with their sweet lies, but are we?
Choosing between those two isn’t fun, but at least Geraldo understands -why- they are here, BillO only sees them as scuttling roaches.
Li- your not bursting my bubble. I know how corrupt the Mexican Govt. is. All the more reason for a DMZ. It should be obvious by now we cant even solve our own problems, would you like us to take on another World Police operation in Mexico. Or keep the borders wide open for drug runners and serial killers. I’m sorry but as they have done in the past, Mexico should stand up to their own government. The same goes for us.
This is because the driver was drunk. That he was here illegally is a secondary crime and did not cause the accident. It would be the same as if the drunk driver had no American driver’s license. Definitely a problem, but not the cause of the crash.
The illegal immigrant problem is an issue that needs cleaning up. Drunk driving is too and very well a more serious problem.
It’s simple cause and effect; if the illegal wasn’t here, the accident wouldn’t have happened.
Thank you dave. But in case your point is misunderstood, let’s contrast it with the PC excuse offered by my right honorable colleague, Mr. F:
“That he was here illegally is a secondary crime and did not cause the accident.”
IF. HE. WERE. NOT. IN. THIS. COUNTRY. THE. ACCIDENT. WOULD. NOT. HAVE. OCCURRED. PERIOD.
- – - – -
And, by-the-bye, MADD’s propaganda conveniently obscures the statistical and commonsense fact that the great majority of drunk drivers who are involved in fatal crashes (a) have previously been convicted of some form and degree of DUI or DWI, AND (b) are invariably far beyond the OLD .10 sobriety limit; lowering it to .08 and beyond does virtually nothing for traffic safety, but feeds a lot of Americans into the maw of the legal system, bleeds them and fucks up their lives.
If they want to do something actually useful, they should push for radical more severe penalties for multiple repeat offenders like this scumbag.
Bad driving, both with and without alcohol, is the cause of MOST traffic deaths, since fully half the people killed on American roads are NOT DRUNK.
Doesn’t say much for sobriety, now does it?
Oh, yeah…
Geraldo’s a smutbucket POS. But who hasn’t figured THAT out?
LOL!
This post has nothing to do with drunk driving or illegal immigrants. It’s just so funny to see these elderly people behave like idiots. God! O’Reilly is screaming his guts out over stupid thing like this. These guys have no self respect whatsoever… Funny, yet sad….
Comment by Todd — 4/6/2007 @ 11:14 am
Oh my goodness, Todd, I just agreed with Rush. What’s going on here?
Imagine driving on 6th St. in Austin or Greenville Ave. in Dallas on a Friday night. And insurance (req’d by law in TX)? Hahahahahaha.
YEAH, THEY BLOWED UP REAL GOOD.
Now where have I heard this before…?
“…Not only shouldn’t the man arrested for the car crash that killed director Bob Clark have been behind the wheel, authorities say, he shouldn’t have been in the country.
Hector Velazquez-Nava, 24, pleaded innocent Friday to two counts of gross-vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, Los Angeles court and prosecution officials said.
The man was arrested Wednesday following a brutal two-car collision that left Clark and his 22-year-son dead.
Police said they believed Velazquez-Nava was driving drunk—Friday’s Los Angeles Times reported the man tested at three times above the legal blood-alcohol limit.
Though listed by police as a resident of Los Angeles, Velazquez-Nava is officially a Mexican national illegally in the United States, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Lori Haley confirmed Friday…”
http://tinyurl.com/yre6dn
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Rivera is right that lots of folks unfairly focus on problems/crimes that just happen to involve illegal immigrants.
But O’Reilly is correct when he says that if this guy had been deported after his first DUI, the tragedy of his 2nd DUI wouldn’t have occurred.
Bad driving, both with and without alcohol, is the cause of MOST traffic deaths, since fully half the people killed on American roads are NOT DRUNK.
Doesn’t say much for sobriety, now does it?
Gee, since the vast majority of drivers DO NOT have any alcohol in them, and fully half of the deaths do, I would think that is a pretty damning evidence that alcohol and driving don’t mix. Only your statistics are a little flawed.
39% of fatal automobile deaths involve alcohol. Of that number, 57% of the drivers were legally (.08% +) impaired.
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html
NOTE, I don’t know and can’t be bothered to search for an estimate of how many drivers are drunk (.08 +) during the course of a day. I would guess that the number would average far less then 1% of trips has a drunk driver behind the wheel.
Regardless of how well you think you can hold your booze, tests show a marked decrease in reaction and response with the more alcohol consumed. Some discrete point has to be established that isn’t arbitrary or subjective. It appears that the only ones that think .08 is too low are those who enjoy drinking and driving with no regard for other’s lives. In other words, those who can’t control their drinking.
If you have your life ruined because you CHOSE to drink and drive, too bad. I will spare you as much sympathy as I can piss with an enlarged prostate. Anyone who drinks and drives deserves time behind bars. The drunker the more time.
1. Hmm, How about the LAWS that make it iLLegal, to sell alcohol to a drunk.
2. what happened to Laws covering Parties, that the person thowing it is responsible??
3. It isnt nationality… Between the cubans, the Haitians, and ALL the rest that ARE iLLegal in this country.
4. DID he have a Licence, or was he driveing someone ELSES car, Why not make HIM responsible for his friend…NO Licence, and driveing DRUNK…
5. Sence I dont see a link to the News article…Where was she HIT…In the street?? Who is responsible FOR THAT??
Ike had a similar issue with Mexican immgration during his administration. Do you know what he did to curb it back in the 50′s?
He made it expensive for companies to hire illegal immigrants.
Yep that was how he did it and it WORKED. He FINED the people that hired illegal immigrants. He set up a strong guy who would not take crap to oversee and FINE the people that HIRE the illegals. Border crossing guards from that era STILL remember that.
If you don’t offer candy, the kids don’t come around.
Ike stopped it. Why can’t it be stopped now? It can be. But we don’t as we have leaders that are not on the payroll of those companies making money from indentured servants.
Stop the jobs and you stop the illegals. Its that simple. FINE the companies that hire them. And give them three strikes. After being fined three times CLOSE their business.
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Illegal immigration has been a soar point with me for a very long time. I am the one of many Latinos (living in California) who believe in the building of the wall, deporting ALL illegal aliens (Mexican, Chinese, Korean, what ever!) . Do away with the “Anchor-Baby” law too while we’re at it. FYI Geraldo, Minutemen don’t carry arms (your such a penis wrinkle). It has come to my realization that drunk driving is a very real issue when speaking of illegal immigration. Just this week a director and his 22 yr. old son were killed in a head on collision (Pacific Palisades). The Illegal that hit him had a blood level of 3 times the legal limit. During his arraignment he pled not guilty because he feels it was just an accident? In San Diego another illegal was drunk, driving a work truck and killed a teenage girl. He faulted the trucking company who hired him for not doing a back round check! None of these illegals want to take responsibility for their actions. Irresponsible and they drive down the wages for Americans, no thank you send them back!I hope Geraldo, you get to Washington DC the week of April 22nd. you may have a rude awakening when you realize how many of your Latino-American brethren believe you WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Maybe you should tune in to John and Ken on KFI/640 between the hours of 3-7 to get up to speed on what you DON’T know.
With President Bush trying to push amnesty, it makes me wonder what kind of kick backs he gets from Mexico. And did you know Mexico has a fence at their southern border and it is patrolled (aggressively with armed patrolmen) sending their illegals packing. I’d like O’Rielly and Geraldo to debate the fiasco down in El Paso pertaining to the two border patrol agents, Ramos and Compione. And that is just one of many stories pertaining to the same issue. LEGAL immigration has it’s place, ILLEGAL immigration does not. We as Americans need to stand and step up; let your representatives know how you feel about illegal immigration before it’s to late. We need to save our country, our way of life and our childrens future.
When are we gonna see something about Pelosi and her felony treason? She has violated the Logan act and aided our enemies. Pelosi canned tuna stinks.
#35 “Give the man a kewpie doll”
This is the solution plain and simple.
Kind of fitting isn’t it, coming from the man who warned about what is now happening with the military/corporations.
And if the GOV hadnt Cut all the Facilities, like the FDA, DEA, FBI, and all the rest to PAY for a WAR….
Maybe we MIGHT have some enforcement…
the EPA dont even have enough power to make a corp pay for Poluting..
I agree with O’Reilly, If this illegal drunk driver, was deported with his first DUI, this tragedy would not have happened. Illegal is illegal! US laws should be enforced! Unfortunately this is not happening and more and more crimes are being committed by illegals.