Comments on: Bush wants to expand spying authority http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:38:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TJGeezer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-593160 TJGeezer Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:38:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-593160 Maybe administrations change and pols should know better than to hand powers to the next guy in office. But that's not the real threat to freedom. I remind you that the old patriot queen J. Edgar Hoover outlasted most of the presidents of the 20th century, by amassing files on pretty much everybody. Kennedy couldn't fire him (and he had the assassination limo flown to Detroit and melted down before forensics experts could go over it, so so I've read). Lyndon Johnson famously said it was better to have Hoover inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. And now we have Dept. of Homeland Insecurity. Dubya, Bubba, Hillary, Osama, or my personal favorite Bill Richardson - it won't matter. The really pernicious power resides in the enforcement bureaucracies. Hoover set that up best, but his, um, spiritual heirs have learned well. And now it's all computerized. Forget the politicians. it's the empire-building bureaucrats we should all be scared to death to hand that kind of power to. Maybe administrations change and pols should know better than to hand powers to the next guy in office. But that’s not the real threat to freedom.

I remind you that the old patriot queen J. Edgar Hoover outlasted most of the presidents of the 20th century, by amassing files on pretty much everybody. Kennedy couldn’t fire him (and he had the assassination limo flown to Detroit and melted down before forensics experts could go over it, so so I’ve read). Lyndon Johnson famously said it was better to have Hoover inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

And now we have Dept. of Homeland Insecurity. Dubya, Bubba, Hillary, Osama, or my personal favorite Bill Richardson – it won’t matter. The really pernicious power resides in the enforcement bureaucracies. Hoover set that up best, but his, um, spiritual heirs have learned well. And now it’s all computerized.

Forget the politicians. it’s the empire-building bureaucrats we should all be scared to death to hand that kind of power to.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592897 MikeN Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:03:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592897 Foreign nationals should be subject to monitoring without warrant for any reason. I'm pretty sure that's the case now. How else did the FBI conduct all those interviews of students after 9/11? Also, they all get fingerprinted without any reasonable suspicion, much less probable cause. Foreign nationals should be subject to monitoring without warrant for any reason. I’m pretty sure that’s the case now. How else did the FBI conduct all those interviews of students after 9/11? Also, they all get fingerprinted without any reasonable suspicion, much less probable cause.

]]> By: mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592814 mark Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:42:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592814 12. Bubba, really, I was just tweaking you. I too had a little run in with the IRS. These guys scare me the most, I'll take 10 DEA agents over one IRS agent. Yeah, it costs me big time too. My experience as a CG boarding officer in the mid to late 70's (the Carter push on the drug war) was with DEA and Customs. For the most part a bunch of overzealous kids with way too much power given to them (and myself). Although I never took any of it too seriously, they DID. 12. Bubba, really, I was just tweaking you. I too had a little run in with the IRS. These guys scare me the most, I’ll take 10 DEA agents over one IRS agent. Yeah, it costs me big time too. My experience as a CG boarding officer in the mid to late 70′s (the Carter push on the drug war) was with DEA and Customs. For the most part a bunch of overzealous kids with way too much power given to them (and myself). Although I never took any of it too seriously, they DID.

]]> By: Richard Brill http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592789 Richard Brill Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592789 -->I WANT FREEDOM! –>I WANT FREEDOM!

]]> By: ZeOverMind http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592702 ZeOverMind Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:27:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592702 #3 - Oh hell ya.. it's scary. And you know what's even scarier Fusion? Betty Currie, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Wiley and Paula Jones were 4 loyal Democrats I could pick off the top of my head who pissed off the Clintons. Obama could be added to that list if he gave Hillary too much trouble. I'm sure the Clintons have an enemies list with scores to settle and they prolly don't all have an (R) behind the names. It's the thin edge of the wedge that we all need to worry about. #3 – Oh hell ya.. it’s scary. And you know what’s even scarier Fusion? Betty Currie, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Wiley and Paula Jones were 4 loyal Democrats I could pick off the top of my head who pissed off the Clintons. Obama could be added to that list if he gave Hillary too much trouble. I’m sure the Clintons have an enemies list with scores to settle and they prolly don’t all have an (R) behind the names. It’s the thin edge of the wedge that we all need to worry about.

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592690 Misanthropic Scott Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:22:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592690 #1 - Improbus, I didn't even trust them with the power they had when they entered office. #7 - nonStatist Excellent point. Please also add that they don't get to modify the constitution to make the PATRIOT act constitutional. #1 – Improbus,

I didn’t even trust them with the power they had when they entered office.

#7 – nonStatist

Excellent point. Please also add that they don’t get to modify the constitution to make the PATRIOT act constitutional.

]]> By: Nth of the 49th http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592600 Nth of the 49th Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:17:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592600 What a boon to business and tourism this will be. (rolls eyes). It's going to take a lot of years to repair the damage being done to your country guys, better wake up fast. On a purely selfish note, if only to stop the moronic copycats that are starting to pop up in this country and even more baffling getting elected. Actually not too baffling when you consider the moral turpitude of today polititions. What a boon to business and tourism this will be. (rolls eyes).
It’s going to take a lot of years to repair the damage being done to your country guys, better wake up fast. On a purely selfish note, if only to stop the moronic copycats that are starting to pop up in this country and even more baffling getting elected.
Actually not too baffling when you consider the moral turpitude of today polititions.

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592297 BubbaRay Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:18:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592297 11, mark, when I had to spend $150K to defend myself against false allegations, and won (or lost, as it were). The accuser went to the pen. Want to reimburse me for being a wimp? Sorry, I'm just Fed up. And the ignorant SAC was reassigned to drug investigations in El Paso, bwahahahahaha, Reiterating, don't mess with the Feds, they can make 2 years of an innocent (or naive) person's life a living hell. Let me know next time you're in a black SUV wearing the cuffs. And, yes, some of them are complete morons. 11, mark, when I had to spend $150K to defend myself against false allegations, and won (or lost, as it were). The accuser went to the pen. Want to reimburse me for being a wimp? Sorry, I’m just Fed up. And the ignorant SAC was reassigned to drug investigations in El Paso, bwahahahahaha,

Reiterating, don’t mess with the Feds, they can make 2 years of an innocent (or naive) person’s life a living hell. Let me know next time you’re in a black SUV wearing the cuffs.

And, yes, some of them are complete morons.

]]> By: mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592074 mark Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:43:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592074 8. Bubba, when did you become a wimp? Believe it or not, I used to be a Fed. Bunch of idiots. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/ 8. Bubba, when did you become a wimp? Believe it or not, I used to be a Fed. Bunch of idiots.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/

]]> By: Billabong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592058 Billabong Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:10:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592058 Even if he gets it he will F&$k it up. Even if he gets it he will F&$k it up.

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592019 BubbaRay Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:40:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592019 Ooops. Meant #6, mark in previous post-- Comment by mark — 4/13/2007 @ 4:49 pm Ooops. Meant #6, mark in previous post–

Comment by mark — 4/13/2007 @ 4:49 pm

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-592016 BubbaRay Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:38:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-592016 7, mark, please never mess with the Feds, they have more money and determination than anyone, with the possible exception of Bill Wastes. And they even got him once. Just my (knowledgeable) 2 cents (2 new gold dollars) worth.... 7, mark, please never mess with the Feds, they have more money and determination than anyone, with the possible exception of Bill Wastes. And they even got him once.

Just my (knowledgeable) 2 cents (2 new gold dollars) worth….

]]> By: nonStatist http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-591911 nonStatist Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:50:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-591911 <b> Do you think we should trust this administration with increased surveillance powers? </b> We shouldn't trust any administration with unconstitutional powers. Do you think we should trust this administration with increased surveillance powers? We shouldn’t trust any administration with unconstitutional powers.

]]> By: mark http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-591910 mark Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:49:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-591910 I think EVERYONE in this country should just start acting suspicious on purpose. Call that foreign friend and invite him over for a Bud. Start taking photographs of public buildings. Put cryptic messages in your email and overwhelm the system. make a dictator act like a dictator. Flood the radar, quit hiding under the desk. Peaceful civil disobedience, of a sort. I think EVERYONE in this country should just start acting suspicious on purpose. Call that foreign friend and invite him over for a Bud. Start taking photographs of public buildings. Put cryptic messages in your email and overwhelm the system. make a dictator act like a dictator. Flood the radar, quit hiding under the desk.
Peaceful civil disobedience, of a sort.

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/04/13/bush-wants-to-expand-spying-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-591900 BubbaRay Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:33:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=10884#comment-591900 Here comes the 'Star Chamber'. Good Grief, Charlie Brown !! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086356/plotsummary Here comes the ‘Star Chamber’. Good Grief, Charlie Brown !!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086356/plotsummary

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