Conservative IPCC predictions
The Arctic ice cap is melting much faster than expected and is now about 30 years ahead of predictions made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.S. ice expert said on Tuesday.
This means the ocean at the top of the world could be free or nearly free of summer ice by 2020, three decades sooner than the global panel’s gloomiest forecast of 2050.
“Right now … the Arctic helps keep the Earth cool,” Ted Scambos said in a telephone interview. “Without that Arctic ice, or with much less of it, the Earth will warm much faster.”
That is because the ice reflects light and heat; when it is gone, the much darker land or sea will absorb more light and heat, making it more difficult for the planet to cool down, even in winter, he said.
“The IPCC report was very careful, very thorough and cautious, so they erred on the side of what would certainly occur as opposed to what might occur,” Scambos said.
Fact is – the chickens are probably coming home to roost a bit earlier than expected. But, why let facts get in the way of politics?
If overpopulation is one f the causes of global warming, when are people going to start tellinjg the monkey/rabbits that inhabit latin america to stop helping global warming by stop breeding? a lot of thing might get better doing that. It’s time already to stop the 25 kids per moron down here!
“Fact is – the chickens are probably coming home to roost a bit earlier than expected. But, why let facts get in the way of politics?”
The only ‘fact’ here is that this proves the existing computer models are wrong, which doesn’t say much for their predictive power or the validity of conclusions drawn from them.
Why is it that you people always look at the negative side? This could be a very good thing. It will deffinately reduce transhipping times (since those HUGE ships will now be able to bypass the panama canal & not have to go around the southern edge of south america), and this will deffinatelty boost the economies of the countries involved.
There will be a LOT more beach front property available for development, and the warming climate will encourage tourists.
Sure, sea levels will rise, and displace a lot of people – but we knew that already…
Peer reviewed 90% of predatory fish dead:
http://tinyurl.com/28yulu
I’m not sure I can find the exact article in which I read that. Or, it may have been any of Collapse, Plan B 2.0, or The Weather Makers. But, try this one, even though it’s not peer reviewed. We’re pushing the oceans back to precambrian times.
http://tinyurl.com/m4ocf
Here’s a peer-reviewed one, but reading more than the abstract will cost you $10.
http://tinyurl.com/2vmhkx
Oh and Mike, calling me a clown is unlikely to convert me to your viewpoint. So, if you just like to see your words in print, go for it. If you’re looking for a battle of wits, just come armed and be civil.
Who are the pre-cambrian life forms that are taking over? Is that a new political party?
Solution, Kill them all. We don’t need all those people getting in the way.
Solve the world food shortage problems if all those short of food just go ahead and starve to death after the rains stop coming down, as long as a republican can make a buck off it, go ahead, let them die. It’s good for the administrations Mission Accomplished statement. Problem solved!
Except that CO2 increases happened after temperature increases in the past. I mention The Nation because you would expect a lefty outfit like that to be all aboard the Kyoto Express, yet even there they have doubts. The article mentions that CO2 output didn’t match atmospheric levels of CO2, so maybe there’s another cause. So again it’s not man-made global warming. Also, there have been higher CO2 levels in the past.
At this point, I think it would take alot for scientists who have been going all over the world to just say Oops, Never Mind. I imagine the withdrawal of the global warming doomsday scenarios will happen gradually so that noone notices. The latest report has already withdrawn the hockey stick and lowered the forecasts for sea level rise and temperature increases. The hurricane links are being discontinues, with hurricane expert William Gray leading on that front. In the meantime the US and other countries will continue to hand out billions of dollars a year in research, and eventually it will shift towards trying to adapt to a warmer climate.
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I’m more appalled at your trying to draw a line at an acceptable level of dead ocean.
Again so much passionate rhetoric in favour of pollution. I always thought it was wrong to pollute.
carbon dioxide isn’t a pollutant, and neither is wator vapor. These are the top 2 greenhouse gases.
This figures! I’m always running out of ice.
#29, and now you’re swatting at strawmen, as I took no such position. I was challenging the absurd claim that we have killed off 90% of ocean life… which apparently “I hate mankind” Scott has since revised it to mean just 90% of large predatory fish.
#18, Alix, please cite your source for shift in Earth’s rotational axis. There is no reputable evidence for a rotational axis shift I can find. Magnetic pole reversals, yes, but no rotational axis shift in the last 2 billion years, at the least. The Earth’s axis wobbles (nutation) an a 22,000 year cycle but that’s about it, as far as I know. Thanks.
WOW, so the GREAT northern passage will be open AGAIN…
#35, you mean the northwest passage?
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As I have stated previously, I am among those who believe in crust displacement. The axis did not change, but the position of the continents on the globe did in relationship to it.
37. That could explain why they find ocean fossils at 10,000 ft in the Rockies. (Crust displacement).
You have to be careful about using warming on Mars as evidence that Earth’s climate is warming due to solar activity. It’s a complex thing, and on the sketchy data available, a case could be made that Mars is cooling.
That article is even more impressive. It says that you shouldn’t make assumptions about global warming based on a few years of warming, and that melting ice caps are a regional phenomenon, not planetary. Well people here in the media who insist on Kyoto do the exact same thing with the weather on Earth, including a melting ice cap, breakaway icebergs, and ‘record temperatures’ for such and such location.