Comments on: The Windscale Disaster — Stopping A Nuclear Plant’s Meltdown http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:40:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Edward Bettis http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-628729 Edward Bettis Tue, 15 May 2007 18:04:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-628729 Methods have been proven to get rid of the nuclear waste. The browns gas generator/welder for one. Our Big welfare waste companies would be out of work if they had not stopped its use. Think of all the Billions spent, such a tragedy. Methods have been proven to get rid of the nuclear waste.
The browns gas generator/welder for one.
Our Big welfare waste companies would be out of work if they
had not stopped its use.
Think of all the Billions spent, such a tragedy.

]]> By: tallwookie http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627755 tallwookie Mon, 14 May 2007 19:56:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627755 I saw a really interesting doccumentary on the cleanup of the chernobyl disaster - cant remember the title, was REALLY interesting tho - especially because the video has that grainy quality generally attributed to nuclear particles bombarding the filmstock. I saw a really interesting doccumentary on the cleanup of the chernobyl disaster – cant remember the title, was REALLY interesting tho – especially because the video has that grainy quality generally attributed to nuclear particles bombarding the filmstock.

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627727 BubbaRay Mon, 14 May 2007 19:20:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627727 Too bad we can't guarantee a successful rocket launch every time. We could send the spent rods into the Sun and forget 'em. The folks who figure out how to recycle the stuff will make billions. Too bad we can’t guarantee a successful rocket launch every time. We could send the spent rods into the Sun and forget ‘em. The folks who figure out how to recycle the stuff will make billions.

]]> By: hhopper http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627699 hhopper Mon, 14 May 2007 18:48:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627699 It somehow bothers me that throwing it into the ocean is the standard way of getting rid of dangerous things. It somehow bothers me that throwing it into the ocean is the standard way of getting rid of dangerous things.

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627646 Olo Baggins of Bywater Mon, 14 May 2007 17:56:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627646 OMG. Ya see, Roc, that's the hype I was specifically referring to. Nuke waste is inert except for the gamma rays. Spent rods are just as likely to explode as your dog is likely to spontaneously combust in your yard after taking a dump. So there's an earthquake down there. Big deal...what's going to happen? The rods drop even further into the earth. That's bad how? Maybe they get spread out. There's still <b> four miles of seawater</b> between them and the surface, and no easy way to get there. Hell, the earth is already filled with uranium. That hasn't killed us, has it? And I'm not talking about big giant containers. Wrap the rods in steel, lead, PVC, used rubbers, whatever. Nothing decomposes or rusts at the bottom of the ocean. Hell, just drop them in unprotected...what's the diff? Anyone going to notice a couple square miles of dead ocean floor? Whatever does live there we can study. OMG.
Ya see, Roc, that’s the hype I was specifically referring to. Nuke waste is inert except for the gamma rays. Spent rods are just as likely to explode as your dog is likely to spontaneously combust in your yard after taking a dump.

So there’s an earthquake down there. Big deal…what’s going to happen? The rods drop even further into the earth. That’s bad how? Maybe they get spread out. There’s still four miles of seawater between them and the surface, and no easy way to get there. Hell, the earth is already filled with uranium. That hasn’t killed us, has it?

And I’m not talking about big giant containers. Wrap the rods in steel, lead, PVC, used rubbers, whatever. Nothing decomposes or rusts at the bottom of the ocean. Hell, just drop them in unprotected…what’s the diff? Anyone going to notice a couple square miles of dead ocean floor? Whatever does live there we can study.

]]> By: Roc Rizzo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627563 Roc Rizzo Mon, 14 May 2007 16:18:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627563 <i>"Nuke waste is a simple problem once we get past the hype and fear, especially the political fear. IMO, encapsulate it and drop it into a deep ocean trench."</i> The problem with that is that a deep ocean trench is a tectonically active area. What impervious material do you pose we 'encapsulate' it in? Personally, I would hate to see the consequences if this is done, the 'encapsulation' comes apart, and there is an earthquake on one of these trenches, and >BOOM “Nuke waste is a simple problem once we get past the hype and fear, especially the political fear. IMO, encapsulate it and drop it into a deep ocean trench.”

The problem with that is that a deep ocean trench is a tectonically active area. What impervious material do you pose we ‘encapsulate’ it in?

Personally, I would hate to see the consequences if this is done, the ‘encapsulation’ comes apart, and there is an earthquake on one of these trenches, and >BOOM

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627555 Olo Baggins of Bywater Mon, 14 May 2007 16:10:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627555 Nuke waste is a simple problem once we get past the hype and fear, especially the political fear. IMO, encapsulate it and drop it into a deep ocean trench. The thing is, coal is such a horrible fuel. Your got black lung disease, destroyed environments, and all of it ends up in our air. Lots of people die every year from coal. Anything would be better. Nuke waste is a simple problem once we get past the hype and fear, especially the political fear. IMO, encapsulate it and drop it into a deep ocean trench.

The thing is, coal is such a horrible fuel. Your got black lung disease, destroyed environments, and all of it ends up in our air. Lots of people die every year from coal. Anything would be better.

]]> By: Roc Rizzo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627526 Roc Rizzo Mon, 14 May 2007 15:22:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627526 Okay all you people in favor of nuclear power, answer me this. What do we do with the highly toxic, radioactive waste that has a half-life of several thousand years? How can we keep it from getting into the wrong hands for several tens of thousands of years? Nuclear power is fine, until you look at the waste disposal aspect, which is a point its advocates ignore. Okay all you people in favor of nuclear power, answer me this.

What do we do with the highly toxic, radioactive waste that has a half-life of several thousand years? How can we keep it from getting into the wrong hands for several tens of thousands of years?

Nuclear power is fine, until you look at the waste disposal aspect, which is a point its advocates ignore.

]]> By: TheGlobalWarmer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627444 TheGlobalWarmer Mon, 14 May 2007 13:19:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627444 I work about a half mile from a nuke plant. Certainly doesn't cause me any stress. We need to build more of them and should have started construction 10 years ago. I work about a half mile from a nuke plant. Certainly doesn’t cause me any stress. We need to build more of them and should have started construction 10 years ago.

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627423 Olo Baggins of Bywater Mon, 14 May 2007 12:26:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627423 Um, make that "the plant in the link." Um, make that “the plant in the link.”

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627422 Olo Baggins of Bywater Mon, 14 May 2007 12:25:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627422 <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Almost-Lost-Detroi-John-Fuller/dp/0425067009' rel="nofollow">This is hardly</a> a unique story. The plant in the list is maybe 6 miles from the high school I attended, and I could see the cooling towers from the roof of my house. FWIW it looks like the eco-freaks are finally coming around...nuke power is the only way we sustain ourselves on this planet, and on balance it is <i>by far </i>the cleanest way. This is hardly a unique story. The plant in the list is maybe 6 miles from the high school I attended, and I could see the cooling towers from the roof of my house.

FWIW it looks like the eco-freaks are finally coming around…nuke power is the only way we sustain ourselves on this planet, and on balance it is by far the cleanest way.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627186 Mr. Fusion Mon, 14 May 2007 04:13:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627186 While this story is about British problems, every country that developed nuclear energy had some teething problems. Many of these countries still get much of their energy from nuclear reactors. And many of these countries also had some scientists contributing to the Manhattan Project. While this story is about British problems, every country that developed nuclear energy had some teething problems. Many of these countries still get much of their energy from nuclear reactors. And many of these countries also had some scientists contributing to the Manhattan Project.

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-627183 BubbaRay Mon, 14 May 2007 04:08:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-627183 I know, too late to post. But the NRC actually does a good job of keeping our nuclear power plants safe. 3MI was a a fluke. We've come a long way in tech since then. I've a friend that works at a nuclear facility in the US (not high-level mgmt.), and just friend-to-friend, no classified material here, his remarks indicate the NRC does a remarkable job. I'd rather we decide how to get rid of the minimal waste from all the nukes in the U.S. than figure out how to clean up after the darned coal-fired power plants, their strip mining and the govt. jerks in their pockets. http://www.nrc.gov/ I know, too late to post. But the NRC actually does a good job of keeping our nuclear power plants safe.

3MI was a a fluke. We’ve come a long way in tech since then.

I’ve a friend that works at a nuclear facility in the US (not high-level mgmt.), and just friend-to-friend, no classified material here, his remarks indicate the NRC does a remarkable job.

I’d rather we decide how to get rid of the minimal waste from all the nukes in the U.S. than figure out how to clean up after the darned coal-fired power plants, their strip mining and the govt. jerks in their pockets.

http://www.nrc.gov/

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-626995 ECA Sun, 13 May 2007 23:17:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-626995 4, Find 1 Nuclear plant that was built AFTER the 60's. Find 1, that some contractor didnt Substitute Poor materials on. TRY to find, the records of mishaps from those plants, NOT the news worthy ones that caused Shut downs. Find 1 that has been upgraded from the Past to NEWER better tech. Find 1 that goes thru FULL shut down testing, so that it can TEST all procedures and mechanical shutdowns that MAY have rusted shut/open in the last 40 years. Find any Public records on maintenance schedules and Building updates and repairs. Then find me the storage location for all the Empty fuel rods, sence Nevada STILL isnt ready after 20+ years. 3..... Chicken, Chicke chicken?? Translation: Baaa, baa baa... Translation: Running gag from Blog. 4,
Find 1 Nuclear plant that was built AFTER the 60′s.
Find 1, that some contractor didnt Substitute Poor materials on.
TRY to find, the records of mishaps from those plants, NOT the news worthy ones that caused Shut downs.
Find 1 that has been upgraded from the Past to NEWER better tech.
Find 1 that goes thru FULL shut down testing, so that it can TEST all procedures and mechanical shutdowns that MAY have rusted shut/open in the last 40 years.
Find any Public records on maintenance schedules and Building updates and repairs.
Then find me the storage location for all the Empty fuel rods, sence Nevada STILL isnt ready after 20+ years.

3…..
Chicken, Chicke chicken??
Translation:
Baaa, baa baa…
Translation:
Running gag from Blog.

]]> By: hhopper http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/05/13/the-windscale-disaster-stopping-a-nuclear-plants-meltdown/comment-page-1/#comment-626921 hhopper Sun, 13 May 2007 20:05:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11406#comment-626921 I think this is the punchline of the article: <p><em>"Ultimately the unnecessary incident could have been avoided with a bit of knowledge from the Manhattan project. Had the American government opted to share the nuclear knowledge which the British had helped to gain, the mishap could have been avoided altogether."</em></p> I think this is the punchline of the article:

“Ultimately the unnecessary incident could have been avoided with a bit of knowledge from the Manhattan project. Had the American government opted to share the nuclear knowledge which the British had helped to gain, the mishap could have been avoided altogether.”

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