Comments on: Cheney boldly asserts that his office is not part of Executive Branch http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/ General interest observations and true web-log. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:38:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-682696 MikeN Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:19:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-682696 There's no federal law that says he has to comply. So why is Congress getting involved? Either Cheney is not part of the executive branch, in which case he's right, or he is part of the executive branch, in which case he is higher up in the branch than the office that is arguing with him, in which case he's again right. The President is of course even higher up, and his executive order would go higher, so he would be 'the decider.' There’s no federal law that says he has to comply. So why is Congress getting involved? Either Cheney is not part of the executive branch, in which case he’s right, or he is part of the executive branch, in which case he is higher up in the branch than the office that is arguing with him, in which case he’s again right. The President is of course even higher up, and his executive order would go higher, so he would be ‘the decider.’

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681695 Smartalix Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:45:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681695 64, That's my point as well. He can't simply say he falls between the cracks. Thanks for the compliment! 64,

That’s my point as well. He can’t simply say he falls between the cracks.

Thanks for the compliment!

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681670 bobbo Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:19:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681670 62===Correct again. But doesn't Cheney avoid production subpoenas from Congress if he claims he has Executive Privilege as part of the Executive Branch - - AND - - doesn't he lose that privilege if he is part of the Legislative Branch? Now that is trivial only if having to repond or not to a subpoena is trivial. On that, its not worth the argument. Very nice website you have there. 62===Correct again. But doesn’t Cheney avoid production subpoenas from Congress if he claims he has Executive Privilege as part of the Executive Branch – - AND – - doesn’t he lose that privilege if he is part of the Legislative Branch?

Now that is trivial only if having to repond or not to a subpoena is trivial. On that, its not worth the argument.

Very nice website you have there.

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681650 Smartalix Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:45:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681650 61, In the case of the VP, it is minutia. He does travel in both streams. But that isn't a reason to evade the law. 61,

In the case of the VP, it is minutia. He does travel in both streams. But that isn’t a reason to evade the law.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681607 bobbo Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:03:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681607 60--I agree totally==but also totally easier for congress to get him by his own argument. I wont hold my breath for congress to accept his gaff==they being not any smarter than too many posters here. I don't think the correct identification of which branch of government you are in is minutiae, but rather pretty important. Congress should strike while Cheney is befuddled. 60–I agree totally==but also totally easier for congress to get him by his own argument. I wont hold my breath for congress to accept his gaff==they being not any smarter than too many posters here.

I don’t think the correct identification of which branch of government you are in is minutiae, but rather pretty important. Congress should strike while Cheney is befuddled.

]]> By: Smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681603 Smartalix Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:55:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681603 59, If he is part of the legislative branch then he is supposed to follow their rules, which he doesn't either. This is all about evading the law, simple as that. When people take refuge in minutiae you know they are playing the system. Cheney and his ilk need to obey the law. 59,

If he is part of the legislative branch then he is supposed to follow their rules, which he doesn’t either. This is all about evading the law, simple as that.

When people take refuge in minutiae you know they are playing the system. Cheney and his ilk need to obey the law.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681196 bobbo Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:08:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681196 55-----and others----- "it is pretty damn clear that the VP is a part of the executive branch with some legislative duties (presiding over the Senate, breaking ties therein)." ////// or ---- It is pretty damn clear that the VP is part of the legislative brank with NO EXECUTIVE DUTIES AT ALL until elevated to the position of President. Bald faced assertions with no reference or analysis is fun to make. Atleast No 36 referenced the constitution. Too bad it is entirely off point and irrelevant but I saw the word "Vice-President" in there somewhere so my shotgun logic says it proves what I want. Hey, its just words, and the Dems are spineless anyway. 55—–and others—–

“it is pretty damn clear that the VP is a part of the executive branch with some legislative duties (presiding over the Senate, breaking ties therein).” ////// or —-

It is pretty damn clear that the VP is part of the legislative brank with NO EXECUTIVE DUTIES AT ALL until elevated to the position of President.

Bald faced assertions with no reference or analysis is fun to make.

Atleast No 36 referenced the constitution. Too bad it is entirely off point and irrelevant but I saw the word “Vice-President” in there somewhere so my shotgun logic says it proves what I want.

Hey, its just words, and the Dems are spineless anyway.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681182 bobbo Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:46:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681182 Well, by defintion and practice, they are the same thing, so equivalent in all ways? There are examples of benevolent kings and dictators, and the culture is Disneyfied leading one to think that dictatorship=hitler and king=Queen Elizabeth or some other cartoon character, but by definition you have one person rule with no check. Kinda like God. Well, by defintion and practice, they are the same thing, so equivalent in all ways?

There are examples of benevolent kings and dictators, and the culture is Disneyfied leading one to think that dictatorship=hitler and king=Queen Elizabeth or some other cartoon character, but by definition you have one person rule with no check.

Kinda like God.

]]> By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681163 OhForTheLoveOf Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:34:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681163 #56 - I didn't say that. If I had said that, I would have said, "A dictatorship is what a kingdom is and those two things are morally equivalent." But I didn't say that, I simply said, "A dictatorship is what a kingdom is." I'm gonna quit my job, go back to school, get my teaching certificate, and teach English. If I can get just a few people actually being able to speak their native language, it will have been worth it. #56 – I didn’t say that.

If I had said that, I would have said, “A dictatorship is what a kingdom is and those two things are morally equivalent.” But I didn’t say that, I simply said, “A dictatorship is what a kingdom is.”

I’m gonna quit my job, go back to school, get my teaching certificate, and teach English. If I can get just a few people actually being able to speak their native language, it will have been worth it.

]]> By: Guyver http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-681045 Guyver Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:51:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-681045 51. The two are morally equivalent!?!?!?!? :) If you say so. 51. The two are morally equivalent!?!?!?!? :) If you say so.

]]> By: doug http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-680803 doug Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:03:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-680803 it is pretty damn clear that the VP is a part of the executive branch with some legislative duties (presiding over the Senate, breaking ties therein). It is, by its nature, a violation of the tradition of separation of powers and a constitutional afterthought, as well as proof that the Framers were not infallible, BUT IT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. me thinks that Dead Eye Dick is hiding something .... it is pretty damn clear that the VP is a part of the executive branch with some legislative duties (presiding over the Senate, breaking ties therein). It is, by its nature, a violation of the tradition of separation of powers and a constitutional afterthought, as well as proof that the Framers were not infallible, BUT IT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

me thinks that Dead Eye Dick is hiding something ….

]]> By: Gez o'pete http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-680801 Gez o'pete Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:00:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-680801 Coming up on "ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER" American civics for vice presidents. Coming up on “ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER” American civics for vice presidents.

]]> By: Rick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-680702 Rick Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:03:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-680702 Does this make it any easier to impeach this Satan-spawn? Does this make it any easier to impeach this Satan-spawn?

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-680681 RBG Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:47:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-680681 49. Because the oil teat was almost pulled out of their mouths by Iraq. That would be some irony for official Kuwait to then be surreptitiously providing for the US defeat in Iraq. RBG 49. Because the oil teat was almost pulled out of their mouths by Iraq. That would be some irony for official Kuwait to then be surreptitiously providing for the US defeat in Iraq.

RBG

]]> By: OhForTheLoveOf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/06/21/cheney-boldly-asserts-that-his-office-is-not-part-of-executive-branch/comment-page-2/#comment-680625 OhForTheLoveOf Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:34:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=12157#comment-680625 #50 - A dictatorship is what a kingdom is. #50 – A dictatorship is what a kingdom is.

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