Lecture du Jour: Immigration. Turning the USA into a Banana Republic

By Thursday June 21, 2007

This is an excellent lecture on immigration that should be watched by everyone. Quite good.

found by Bill Reising



39 Comments
  1. Jägermeister says:
    6/21/2007 at 8:38 pm

    #20

    The guy in the video clip is talking about immigration in general, not illegal immigration. And what you’re describing is a law enforcement problem. Get more money to the police and CBP.

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  2. Mark T. says:
    6/21/2007 at 9:59 pm

    Excellent video. Thanks, Bill and John.

    Yep, he is talking only about legal immigration only. Add 11 more gumballs for the amnesty bill.

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  3. John C Dvorak says:
    6/21/2007 at 11:36 pm

    #20 –exactly. It’s like the meth problem that nobody has a clue about East of the Mississippi. It amuses me to no end.

    The dumb carpers who refuse to see any of this always send out references to pro-big business sites promoting immigration to get cheap labor. The excuse is ALWAYS that immigrants take jobs that nobody wants. Never true. These are jobs nobody wants at ridiculously low/slave wages. There is not a job in the world that would not be filled by a non-immigrant if the price was right.

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  4. Danijel says:
    6/22/2007 at 12:51 am

    #23 Yes John! There is a global problem with the increase of population and some places are more stricken by this than others. But what this guy is saying is simply horrible.

    But let’s put it another way. We all know that there is a problem with p0rn and piracy on the internet. By using the same logic as this guy, we should limit the access to most of the websites on the internet. Do you agree with such a solution? Don’t you think there is a better way to solve these problems?

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  5. third world says:
    6/22/2007 at 1:45 am

    What is up with the phrase “third world country”? This is the country whose citizens piss their pants when they hear an “N” word, or hire the black guy over the white one just to avoid discrimination accusations. And it is OK to call other places “third world”? They might be poor because of resources or they might be developing, but not third world. Third world country can be the US, because of the dumb people that inhabit it and only small part makes wise decisions and thinks for the rest of them. Maybe my comment came out too harsh, but calling someone as “third world” when it was decided, that to avoid discrimination or humiliation they should call them “developing country”, is really inappropriate.

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  6. bobbo says:
    6/22/2007 at 4:08 am

    Everything the video says about immigration (legal or otherwise) swamping the economic and environmental resources (carrying capacity) of the GOUSA is completely applicable to the entire earth and the fecundity of homosapiens.

    Like Global Warming, aint much we can do about it except say it isn’t true as the ship sinks.

    So, the bigger question behind the charts/presentation is “Can America turn itself into an Island Fortress and build walls high enough to keep the starving masses at bay?” History says no.

    BTW–just saw the end of the world on Colbert last night. Sci-Fi author Bear says that virus genome sequencing kits will be generally available in 5 years. Aint no way some 12 year old genius aint going to release something. Posting that clip would be valuable. You heard it here second.

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  7. Chris Sahar says:
    6/22/2007 at 7:15 am

    My initial reaction is to check the guys sources before making any judgement and investigate further what changes were made in the immigration policy in the mid 1960′s.

    The lecturer has brought two excellent philisophical points –

    a) The world would be a better place if countries followed Voltaire’s advice to tend you own garden. And we would help poorer countried more if we don’t implement some of the destructitve past policies for our own narcissistic political means (eg supporting various dictators in South America, Greece and even today having a laissez faire attitude about certain dictators such as the one in Equatorial Guineau who claims he is God, starves his people while his coiterie basks in luxury from oil profits and the oil company workers are afforded a Western living standard).

    b) Eventually homo sapiens WILL succumb to the Malthusian model despite technological interpolations. Our hubris is really viewing ourselves as separate from our environment and separate from the Earth’s biosphere. All we can do is mitigate the Malthusian’s severity of its projection.

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  8. Angel H. Wong says:
    6/22/2007 at 2:59 pm

    #23 “The excuse is ALWAYS that immigrants take jobs that nobody wants. Never true. These are jobs nobody wants at ridiculously low/slave wages”

    That’s I find penalizing EVERY employer that hires illegal immigrants ridiculous; They should penalized using them as low wage slaves only, only then they will be able to stabilize wages.

    Is it just me or every time I turn on the TV and watch anti immigrant rallies/speeches all I see is white people?

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  9. Liam says:
    6/22/2007 at 3:30 pm

    Chris Sahar

    God knows what drugs you are on……..but can I have some? Otherwise did you cut and paste random crap from the economics section of wikipedia together whilst high? That seems most likely. Nice ctrl X and ctrl C skills.

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  10. mark says:
    6/22/2007 at 3:35 pm

    28. Maybe its because you tend see everything through your own brand of racist colored glasses?

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  11. Matt says:
    6/22/2007 at 4:30 pm

    I’m always amazed by those who seem to think we can just open the flood gates to immigrants and somehow avoid becoming the place that they all just arrived from. Even worse is the notion that we would still somehow be in a position to help the rest of the planet after doing so. To me this stuff seems like common sense but a lot of people apparently aren’t getting it.

    I agree that there is tremendous fear of being perceived as Xenophobic or insensitive or whatever, even though just about all of us are immigrants or descendants thereof. We need to get over this little fear fast before we all end up a lot worse off. There is nothing mean about being reasonable.

    Just look at the damage that’s already being done to our high tech community by programs like H1-B. And that’s just the tip of the ice berg.

    I think we all need to ask ourselves if we’re really prepared to see our personal income and standard of living take a nosedive over the next 20 years. If you’re ok with that, fine. I’m not and I don’t feel one bit guilty about saying so.

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  12. Angel H. Wong says:
    6/22/2007 at 4:43 pm

    #29

    Don’t blame me, blame the Republicans smart enough to know that bigotry on TV sells.

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  13. Jägermeister says:
    6/22/2007 at 4:47 pm

    #23 – “The excuse is ALWAYS that immigrants take jobs that nobody wants. Never true. These are jobs nobody wants at ridiculously low/slave wages.

    The immigrants from the south slave away picking your produce for the exact reasons you stated. So, your “Never true” is just BS.

    There is not a job in the world that would not be filled by a non-immigrant if the price was right.

    Raising the salary for the low-paying jobs that immigrants do… well, John… that’s a pipe dream and you know it… The average I-shop-at-Wal-Mart American wants everything cheap, cheap, cheap…

    Just curious, John… Which immigrant groups are welcome? Hispanics? Asians? Europeans? Africans? Or none at all? Perhaps you want to send home people like Sergey Brin, Om Malik, Jerry Yang…

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  14. Jägermeister says:
    6/22/2007 at 5:02 pm

    #30 – I’m always amazed by those who seem to think we can just open the flood gates to immigrants and somehow avoid becoming the place that they all just arrived from.

    Even worse is the notion that we would still somehow be in a position to help the rest of the planet after doing so.

    You’re talking as if the USA was the only country with a decent standard of living. The standard of living in the USA is not the highest in the world. Also, intelligent people come to the US for the opportunities to work with other intelligent people. Read The Flight of the Creative Class.

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  15. Paul says:
    6/22/2007 at 5:49 pm

    Mexico as the 51st state. If we are going to spend the resources anyway fixing the problems we might as well have the assets at the end of the day.

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  16. Matt says:
    6/22/2007 at 6:16 pm

    #34

    I’ll be the last to argue against immigration for people who are truly top-notch in their field, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

    We’re not inviting huge numbers of Indian software developers into the country because they’re more talented than the average American programmer. We’re doing it because they work for less money. So some corporate CEO gets to pay himself $50 mil a year instead of $40 mil. That’s a far cry from an invitation extended to someone like Einstein or Fermi.

    If you can’t see that this is being driven by corporate greed, you’re missing a lot. I’m someone who believes in capitalism and free markets and I can even see it.

    As far as the standard of living thing goes, I don’t really get your point. If Switzerland has a higher standard of living, good for them. My concern is that we’ll eventually end up with an economy like Mexico’s, not Switzerland’s.

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  17. mark says:
    6/22/2007 at 7:54 pm

    33. Jaegermeister- heres the deal as I see it. You want to bring something to the table, and go through the legal process, and assimilate (that means learning English, yeah) , your welcome to come to America. I dont care about your color or nationality. You want to come here to get on the government teat, drop kids and let the rest of us take care of them, then no, your not welcome. Its as simple as that.

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  18. Jägermeister says:
    6/23/2007 at 6:22 am

    #36

    The system has been misused by some corporations. What’s missing from this whole equation is fines that hurt corporations if they do this. I’m totally against the train-your-replacement immigration policy that these corporations has been using. But I also see that if a small company can get a programmer with a masters degree instead of a local two-year diploma guy… then all power to them.

    I’m someone who believes in capitalism and free markets and I can even see it.

    That includes globalisation… which is what a lot of people has a problem with (me to some extent too). Capitalism is to make money, and they do it exactly as you wrote… they hire dirt cheap Indian programmers to do coding in order to make that extra money.

    As far as the standard of living thing goes, I don’t really get your point.

    It was a response to the …avoid becoming the place that they all just arrived from. … There are quite a few immigrants from Western Europe in North America. It’s just that they don’t stick out like people from other parts of the world. ;)

    #37

    So, essentially you’re saying that legal workers immigration is okay, but welfare immigration is not. I’ve got no problem with that.

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  19. shreram says:
    5/6/2008 at 11:08 am

    New York Immigration Lawyer Marina Shepelsky, located in Brooklyn, assists clients from the New York metro area and across the United States in all immigration and naturalization matters http://www.e-us-visa.com

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