Lecture du Jour: Immigration. Turning the USA into a Banana Republic

By Thursday June 21, 2007

This is an excellent lecture on immigration that should be watched by everyone. Quite good.

found by Bill Reising



39 Comments
  1. Ascii King says:
    6/21/2007 at 12:31 pm

    Why are you trotting this out again? Are you hoping for different comments than last time?

    This is a faulty logic presentation. Try to remember back to high school when they used to teach us that in 20 years, the population was going to expand to the point that the planet couldn’t sustain it. Did those numbers ever come true?

    This is just more fear mongering. These numbers won’t bear up in the future. This whole point is based on the numbers continuing to grow exponentially. It’s a falsehood.

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  2. Ascii King says:
    6/21/2007 at 12:34 pm

    My favourite line “most of us don’t want to talk about it because we have immigrant friends” Most of you are immigrants, white man.

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  3. MikeN says:
    6/21/2007 at 1:09 pm

    As long as they can all get z visas, the Democrats will pass it, and the President will sign it. I like Mickey Kaus’ proposed amendment:
    All z-visa holders can sue their employers for not paying minimum wage and overtime.

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  4. BubbaRay says:
    6/21/2007 at 1:12 pm

    [somewhat off topic, but just as scary]

    On Friday 13th April 2036, Apophis may just solve this whole problem. Current estimates are for a 1 / 50,000 chance of this baby striking Earth and fixing the whole human infestation thing. Now if I could just immigrate to Mars….

    http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/a99942.html

    [on topic]
    Conflicting points of view here:
    http://www.immigrationdebate.com/

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  5. Jägermeister says:
    6/21/2007 at 1:20 pm

    Fear mongering. Look at the US GDP… Do you really think that the curve after 1965 would have been like this without the immigrants?

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  6. Steve S says:
    6/21/2007 at 1:21 pm

    Any time extremists like G.W. Bush and Ted Kennedy agree on something, I get very very worried!
    In the mean time, the latest Zogby Interactive poll of 8,300 adults nationwide finds just 3% of Americans viewing Congress’s handling of the immigration issue in favorable terms.
    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1328

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  7. ECA says:
    6/21/2007 at 1:25 pm

    Can I suggest something.
    DONT pay attention to this Issue…
    LOOK at other things they are doing(congree, and reps).
    They are probably Making camoflage to cover something ELSE from being seen.

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  8. ArianeB says:
    6/21/2007 at 1:52 pm

    #5 That GDP chart
    Debt causes inflation, inflated dollars artificially inflates GDP.

    If you convert our GDP to Euros, or Pounds, or Gold, our GDP has gone DOWN since Bush took office.

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  9. RTaylor says:
    6/21/2007 at 2:38 pm

    What about today, forget 20 years out. Taxation on minimum wage workers do not build infrastructure. Much of the time a majority of the wages are sent out of country, and not even returned to the community. Public services are overloaded, and people are drawing the line on tax increases. This situation is just setting up a social conflict that will get more violent as the years go by. You can’t ignore there is growing and open hatred in many communities toward recent immigrants and illegals. This issue is just starting to heat up.

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  10. Danijel says:
    6/21/2007 at 2:41 pm

    This presentation was deliberately simplistic and made for simple people (no offense John). Thanks for the nice link #4. Treating the USA as some elitist land of milk and honey and the rest of the world as a jar of candies is false. The problems that the US is facing are the same all over the world…

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  11. Angel H. Wong says:
    6/21/2007 at 3:58 pm

    That is one of the biggest pieces of Xenophobia I have seen in my life, period. The reason immigrants were welcome with open arms in the 40 years prior to 1965 WAS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE WHITE.

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  12. Benson says:
    6/21/2007 at 4:16 pm

    Gripe all you want, but the proof is in the details.

    All of the NUMBERSUSA.COM comments are coming true. The American citizens recognize what is going on and that is why there is such an outcry against the flawed Immigration bill that the government is trying to shove down our throats.

    The USA cannot absorb over 1,000,000 every year without a serious impact on our country. There is no other country in the world that does this.

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  13. Mr. Fusion says:
    6/21/2007 at 5:42 pm

    Like most comments here, this struck me as bull. To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are lies, damn leas, and those who incorrectly use statistics to bolster a faulty argument. I only got through 7:30 minutes before I had had enough.

    1) From 1925 to 1945, immigration was less than 50,000 yearly because of the depression and WWII. After WWII, a huge surge of displaced Europeans and war brides and later other Europeans found their way here. So many of these immigrants had minimal skills in an increasingly technological world.

    2) After 1965, the rules were changed to encourage trained and educated immigrants over the untrained and uneducated.

    3) Starting with the abolishment of the decades old Mexican guest farm worker program, illegal immigration from Mexico took off, culminating in the Amnesty during the Reagan Administration.

    4) Building a new school EVERY day in California has as much to do with changing demographics as it does with immigration. Cities have much smaller housing plots then do suburbia. These new schools are further apart and usually smaller then the older inner city schools. At the same time, many schools are closing due to declining enrollment.

    5) Using projections in a visual format has a bad tendency to skew a person’s perception. He used the native born population to project his numbers. He then turned around and dismissed immigration as a zero sum as 200,000 Americans leave America every year. He also admitted that currently immigration is approximately 500,000 + yearly.

    I suppose I could have watched the whole thing. Sorry, but I don’t have the time to waste watching some Slick Willy falsify numbers.

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  14. Mr. Fusion says:
    6/21/2007 at 5:48 pm

    #12, Benson

    What details?

    All of NUMBER USA comments are coming true? Even the ones where our population will be 247 million in 2030?

    When has there ever been 1,000,000 million immigrants in one year to the US?

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  15. Tamara Bahr says:
    6/21/2007 at 5:48 pm

    Agree — with Posters 10 & 11
    Tamara B

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  16. mxpwr03 says:
    6/21/2007 at 6:32 pm

    I think he stole Al Gore’s shtick of using over-scaled graphs, maybe the hydraulic lift broke before he went on stage.

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  17. John C Dvorak says:
    6/21/2007 at 7:07 pm

    Har. On another note has anyone seen the movie, Ship of Fools?

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  18. Jägermeister says:
    6/21/2007 at 7:13 pm

    #10 – This presentation was deliberately simplistic and made for simple people (no offense John).

    No need to be apologetic. Using “excellent lecture” and “quite good” in his comment to this video clip shows that John agrees with this simplistic propaganda. No critical thinking whatsoever.

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  19. ECA says:
    6/21/2007 at 7:42 pm

    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/bills/
    read 1591

    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/bills/h_r_1591/
    3/29/07

    I keep trying to tell you…
    THIS is a smoke screen.
    LOOK at whats going on in the background

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  20. mark says:
    6/21/2007 at 8:05 pm

    Methinks most of these posters here do not live in the border states, the ones that are seeing the early signs, the gangs, the murders, people disappearing, the drugs. You will though, you will. When they start flying Mexican flags in your town, with the American flag upside down maybe then you wll take notice.

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